It's possible a high cap hit player gets taken in the expansion draft as well. But yeah, if Giroux is asking for too much money, Couturier is the priority there.
- Ftown19125

I think it's imperative that they move one of Jake, JVR, or Ghost in the ED if they're going to have the cap space to make any other moves that would have a significant impact on this roster for this upcoming season.

I think it's imperative that they move one of Jake, JVR, or Ghost in the ED if they're going to have the cap space to make any other moves that would have a significant impact on this roster for this upcoming season.
- Big_E_88

Really depends on what direction Seattle wants to go. Francis is one of those guys who buys into the analytics data. So how much will that play a factor? They will probably want something else from the flyers to take one of those players. So who blinks first.

Once the list comes out who is available will give a better idea who they may take. They are going to have good options.

I think it's imperative that they move one of Jake, JVR, or Ghost in the ED if they're going to have the cap space to make any other moves that would have a significant impact on this roster for this upcoming season.
- Big_E_88

they're going to have to do something. they have a little over 12M in cap space and have to re-sign hart and sanheim, qualify patrick, sign a backup goalie. then there's some other players they have to make decisions on as well.

i don't see sanheim or hart getting big raises.

Leaves a massive hole for a non playoff team.
- hello it's me 2050

I am not sure this isn't a playoff team though. This season sucked, for sure, but it seems like all of the worst that could happen DID happen
There should be a substantial increase in cap space coming up. Let's see what happens. I bet we make the playoffs next season

Perhaps Fletcher can sign him again for next season!!!!

- Phillywhiteout

I would personally lead the pitchforks and peasants to him if that happens

Really depends on what direction Seattle wants to go. Francis is one of those guys who buys into the analytics data. So how much will that play a factor? They will probably want something else from the flyers to take one of those players. So who blinks first.

Once the list comes out who is available will give a better idea who they may take. They are going to have good options.
- hello it's me 2050

That bodes well for JVR being taken because he is a good analytics player.

I would personally lead the pitchforks and peasants to him if that happens
- Bob Habib

no shot. he was scratched every other game it seemed like.

- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

6 of the Flyers top 12 prospects are Fletcher picks, and this was done in only 2 drafts. You can laugh all you want, as long as you don't let the facts get in the way!

I am not sure this isn't a post off team though. This season sucked, for sure, but it seems like all of the worst that could happen DID happen
There should be a substantial increase on cap space coming up. Let's see what happens. I bet we make the playoffs next season
- Bob Habib

Where did you see that? Everything I have read says the opposite and flat cap for a few more years. OR are you saying the Flyers will have substantial cap space?

Not impressed if they make the playoffs next season.

That bodes well for JVR being taken because he is a good analytics player.
- MBFlyerfan

So is Ghost!!!!

The only way I see this idea working is if that Flyers Dman is Provy. I think Columbus would get a better offer than the 13th pick & any Flyers Dman not named Provy.

And moving Provy in a deal for Jones makes little sense to me. Despite his flaws, Provy is locked in at a price that will almost certainly be lower than Jones' next deal.
- Big_E_88

Columbus is in a bad situation, similar to the situation they were in with Panarin; i.e. they have no leverage. Also, given that Jones is unsigned after this coming season, teams are not going to give up established players like Provorov. I think if the Flyers want Jones, they have the picks and young players to make it happen.

Columbus is in a bad situation, similar to the situation they were in with Panarin; i.e. they have no leverage. Also, given that Jones is unsigned after this coming season, teams are not going to give up established players like Provorov. I think if the Flyers want Jones, they have the picks and young players to make it happen.
- jd250

They will still need to create the cap space to make it happen long term. Hopefully the ED takes care of that on its own.

Columbus is in a bad situation, similar to the situation they were in with Panarin; i.e. they have no leverage. Also, given that Jones is unsigned after this coming season, teams are not going to give up established players like Provorov. I think if the Flyers want Jones, they have the picks and young players to make it happen.
- jd250

So do majority of the other teams. Not like the flyers are n the drivers seat by any means. Don't think giving up the assets then a long term deal is the wise move at this time.

They are not a legit contender right now. Until they are I don't make that big move unless it is too good to pass up. Until I see what Hart does next season they may be better of waiting. If he falters they are in a very bad spot. Doesn't mean you don't improve the tem just not the "home run" type move yet.

I think it's imperative that they move one of Jake, JVR, or Ghost in the ED if they're going to have the cap space to make any other moves that would have a significant impact on this roster for this upcoming season.
- Big_E_88

I agree that the Flyers need to move on from all 3 players, but only one can be taken in the expansion draft. I think because of the year he just had and the term left on his deal, JVR should be the most likely candidate. That means the Flyers will have to get inventive on the trade front to move on from Jake and Ghost. Teams have been reluctant to take on salary and term this past season, not sure if this will change in the off season. Teams will not do the Flyers any favors, that is for sure.

So do majority of the other teams. Not like the flyers are n the drivers seat by any means. Don't think giving up the assets then a long term deal is the wise move at this time.

They are not a legit contender right now. Until they are I don't make that big move unless it is too good to pass up. Until I see what Hart does next season they may be better of waiting. If he falters they are in a very bad spot. Doesn't mean you don't improve the tem just not the "home run" type move yet.
- hello it's me 2050

if they don't significantly upgrade the defense, teamwide, they're not putting hart in a position to succeed. both goalies weren't good last year because team defense was pitiful.

So do majority of the other teams. Not like the flyers are n the drivers seat by any means. Don't think giving up the assets then a long term deal is the wise move at this time.

They are not a legit contender right now. Until they are I don't make that big move unless it is too good to pass up. Until I see what Hart does next season they may be better of waiting. If he falters they are in a very bad spot. Doesn't mean you don't improve the tem just not the "home run" type move yet.
- hello it's me 2050

The Flyers will never become a contender until they start accumulating talent and achieve the right mix in the locker room. I am not a Jones fan and think the Flyers would be better off getting two solid legitimate top 4 Dmen versus trying to hit a home run with Jones. All I am saying is Jones is there for the taking if the Flyers wanted to go that route. Hart will be fine, the majority of his problems this year stemmed from the poor play in front of him. If the Flyers don't significantly shake the team up this offseason, we should not expect Hart or any goalie to be much better.

I agree that the Flyers need to move on from all 3 players, but only one can be taken in the expansion draft. I think because of the year he just had and the term left on his deal, JVR should be the most likely candidate. That means the Flyers will have to get inventive on the trade front to move on from Jake and Ghost. Teams have been reluctant to take on salary and term this past season, not sure if this will change in the off season. Teams will not do the Flyers any favors, that is for sure.
- jd250

there's no way they move on from JVR and Voracek in the same season and are a better team in my opinion.

Columbus is in a bad situation, similar to the situation they were in with Panarin; i.e. they have no leverage. Also, given that Jones is unsigned after this coming season, teams are not going to give up established players like Provorov. I think if the Flyers want Jones, they have the picks and young players to make it happen.
- jd250

It's actually quite different than the Panarin scenario. Panarin was an UFA that didn't want to re-sign there. Jones is under contract with Columbus for this upcoming season, but he has informed them now that he doesn't intend to re-sign with them. That's a big difference because Columbus now has plenty of time to shop him for the best possible deal. And IMO they will have little trouble finding a more valuable package than the 13th pick & a Flyers Dman not named Provy.
Yeah, the Flyers very well may have the assets to acquire Jones. But how many of those assets are you wiling to use just to get Jones? I just think it will take more than what you proposed, that's all

6 of the Flyers top 12 prospects are Fletcher picks, and this was done in only 2 drafts. You can laugh all you want, as long as you don't let the facts get in the way!
- jd250

hart
sanheim
tk
hagg
provorov
farabee
allison
lindblom
laczyzski
nak
Myers

theyre already on the roster playing in the nhl. they arent prospects anymore.

so facts, dope

I agree that the Flyers need to move on from all 3 players, but only one can be taken in the expansion draft. I think because of the year he just had and the term left on his deal, JVR should be the most likely candidate. That means the Flyers will have to get inventive on the trade front to move on from Jake and Ghost. Teams have been reluctant to take on salary and term this past season, not sure if this will change in the off season. Teams will not do the Flyers any favors, that is for sure.
- jd250

Any deal involving Jake or Ghost will likely have a similar contract coming back imo.

Only teams I can see interested in Jake are ones that have a hard time attracting free agents (arizona) as he has 3 years left on his deal. Don't see any contender or even a midlevel team wanting him unless the flyers made it very worth their while.

Ghost with retention can probably be moved. Or take back an overpriced player who also only has 2 years left.

Either way both of these 2 need to go. Don't see much if any at all benefit in keeping them.

They will still need to create the cap space to make it happen long term. Hopefully the ED takes care of that on its own.
- MBFlyerfan

The ED should help, unless Seattle goes for a player like Braun or Haag, which would pretty much stick a sword it the Flyers backside. However the Flyers will need more cap space than what the ED frees up for them.

there's no way they move on from JVR and Voracek in the same season and are a better team in my opinion.
- Ftown19125

Why cant they be better team without them?

Columbus is in a bad situation, similar to the situation they were in with Panarin; i.e. they have no leverage. Also, given that Jones is unsigned after this coming season, teams are not going to give up established players like Provorov. I think if the Flyers want Jones, they have the picks and young players to make it happen.
- jd250

Jarmo's not gonna trade Jones for picks and prospects. Like the PLD trade, he's gonna ask for turnkey talent in return. Trading one of their best players for picks/prospects is a surefire way to guarantee that Werenski, Laine, Domi etc will be asking to leave too the first chance they get (if they aren't already).

hart
sanheim
tk
hagg
provorov
farabee
allison
lindblom
laczyzski
nak
Myers

theyre already on the roster playing in the nhl. they arent prospects anymore.

so facts, dope
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

Yes, but how many of these players you list are actually any good??

Hart - Yes, I think he will be good
Sanheim - ???? I'm not sure he will be any more than what he is now. If so considering where he was drafted .. a BIG miss!
TK - I like him so I will say he was a good pick
Haag - Bottom pairing defenseman drafted by Holmgren BTW, not Hextall! Facts Dope
Provorov - ??? I will say good for now, but I have concerns
Farabee - Good pick
Allison - ???? Come on, no idea yet on what he will be, jury is still out
Lindblom - bottom 6 forward, drafted in late rounds ... no value currently
Laczyzski - ??? again jury is still out, no idea what he will be yet
NAK - SUCKS
Myers - REALLY SUCKS!

So in 6 years of drafting, Hextall gave us Hart, Provorov, Farabee, TK, and a bunch of middling players ... thank you for proving my point!

Either way both of these 2 need to go. Don't see much if any at all benefit in keeping them.
- hello it's me 2050

Benefit: they're both good (not perfect) players without immediate replacements.