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Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jun 2 @ 10:17 PM ET
Damn Scheifele. I get idea of separating man from puck but that was awfully close.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 2 @ 10:30 PM ET
hope we don't trade next years first there are going to be some good players and the team will be trash
wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 2 @ 11:33 PM ET
I’m curious with impending free agent Couturier how team can afford to throw big dollars on a dman this year? If they give Jones 9 million, then Couts will want similar dollars next year. Don’t forget about G next year 4-5milion?. With flyers salary cap situation team would need to unload a lot of cap dollars through trades and expansion in the next year to make all of this work. I just don’t see Fletcher being creative enough to reconfigure all of this. I think flyers are screwed.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 2 @ 11:59 PM ET
13th overall. I’m hoping Mason Mctavish is there at the Flyers pick. Wouldn’t be too upset if Mike Sillinger’s kid is there also.
therabbi
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 10.14.2020

Jun 3 @ 12:06 AM ET
Like we’re much better?

Buffalo is likely going to have a real nice one-two punch on D eventually between Dahlin and Power while the Flyers will likely tread water.

- hereticpride

How do we know Power is that good? How much playing did they do over the last 15 months?
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jun 3 @ 6:29 AM ET
13th overall. I’m hoping Mason Mctavish is there at the Flyers pick. Wouldn’t be too upset if Mike Sillinger’s kid is there also.
- Sublime55


I hope we get Shane Wright next year
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jun 3 @ 7:00 AM ET
I’m curious with impending free agent Couturier how team can afford to throw big dollars on a dman this year? If they give Jones 9 million, then Couts will want similar dollars next year. Don’t forget about G next year 4-5milion?. With flyers salary cap situation team would need to unload a lot of cap dollars through trades and expansion in the next year to make all of this work. I just don’t see Fletcher being creative enough to reconfigure all of this. I think flyers are screwed.
- wbroudy

Easy answer you let Giroux go...In fact you do all you can to convince him to waive his NTC at the deadline. If you want to move forward it is time for that to happen
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 3 @ 7:56 AM ET
Flyers picking 13th. I can see a scenario where the Flyers trade this pick to Columbus along with a defenseman for Jones, and the Flyers take the risk that they can convince him to sign a long term deal with the team once he's here. This gives Columbus two picks in the top 13 in a defenseman heavy draft.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 3 @ 8:10 AM ET
Shea Weber, Josh Anderson, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry.

If Ron Hextall plan was a failure, it’s not for reasons that most have suggested.He brought in all the young talent we needed. Talent I still believe in. If Hextall’s vision was a failure, it was because he tried to change the culture of the Philadelphia Flyers for the worst. Prior to the 2014 seasons and below, we were a playoff team practically every year. We might not have been the broad street bullies but we could stir the pot, frustrate team and push back. We went backwards by getting rid of tough players and tried to get Discipline and speedy.

Montreal had the goaltending and were a small and speedy team forever. Great for the regular season. Now they learned and are built for the playoffs.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jun 3 @ 8:15 AM ET
On the habs post about our former boy gustafsson:

Tonight, my sole criticism will be on Erik Gustafsson who couldn’t hold the line on the power play, lost the puck and it lead to a Jets shorthanded. To be honest, I’m surprised it took this long for him to commit a costly turnover. Thankfully, the Habs got their 2-goal lead back in minutes and they still kept their momentum. Gustafsson didn’t see the ice at all in the 3rd which meant a heavy workload for the top 4 once more

😂😂😂
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 3 @ 8:18 AM ET
Shea Weber, Josh Anderson, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry.

If Ron Hextall plan was a failure, it’s not for reasons that most have suggested.He brought in all the young talent we needed. Talent I still believe in. If Hextall’s vision was a failure, it was because he tried to change the culture of the Philadelphia Flyers for the worst. Prior to the 2014 seasons and below, we were a playoff team practically every year. We might not have been the broad street bullies but we could stir the pot, frustrate team and push back. We went backwards by getting rid of tough players and tried to get Discipline and speedy.

Montreal had the goaltending and were a small and speedy team forever. Great for the regular season. Now they learned and are built for the playoffs.

- SuperSchennBros

When does the "if" get removed from his plan to a "yes" it was failure? This is what year 7?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 3 @ 8:19 AM ET
I’m curious with impending free agent Couturier how team can afford to throw big dollars on a dman this year? If they give Jones 9 million, then Couts will want similar dollars next year. Don’t forget about G next year 4-5milion?. With flyers salary cap situation team would need to unload a lot of cap dollars through trades and expansion in the next year to make all of this work. I just don’t see Fletcher being creative enough to reconfigure all of this. I think flyers are screwed.
- wbroudy

Wonder what the Maple Leafs would give up for Couturier.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jun 3 @ 8:22 AM ET
Shea Weber, Josh Anderson, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry.

If Ron Hextall plan was a failure, it’s not for reasons that most have suggested.He brought in all the young talent we needed. Talent I still believe in. If Hextall’s vision was a failure, it was because he tried to change the culture of the Philadelphia Flyers for the worst. Prior to the 2014 seasons and below, we were a playoff team practically every year. We might not have been the broad street bullies but we could stir the pot, frustrate team and push back. We went backwards by getting rid of tough players and tried to get Discipline and speedy.

Montreal had the goaltending and were a small and speedy team forever. Great for the regular season. Now they learned and are built for the playoffs.

- SuperSchennBros

I agree with all of this! They changed/ruined the culture here in Philly. Especially now when I see Chicago, boston, Pitt, Vegas, etc all playing heavy games it's a no brainer. This once proud franchise is a shell of what it used to be and I believe you're right that it all changes when Ed passed and hexy made some bad trades to move out our heavy players

Nice post!
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jun 3 @ 8:24 AM ET
Wonder what the Maple Leafs would give up for Couturier.
- hello it's me 2050

Nothing that we would want. And by trading coots it leaves a massive hole at 1C. Toronto has good wingers but that's about it
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 3 @ 8:27 AM ET
Nothing that we would want. And by trading coots it leaves a massive hole at 1C. Toronto has good wingers but that's about it
- Bob Habib

Leaves a massive hole for a non playoff team.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 3 @ 8:31 AM ET
Shea Weber, Josh Anderson, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry.

If Ron Hextall plan was a failure, it’s not for reasons that most have suggested.He brought in all the young talent we needed. Talent I still believe in. If Hextall’s vision was a failure, it was because he tried to change the culture of the Philadelphia Flyers for the worst. Prior to the 2014 seasons and below, we were a playoff team practically every year. We might not have been the broad street bullies but we could stir the pot, frustrate team and push back. We went backwards by getting rid of tough players and tried to get Discipline and speedy.

Montreal had the goaltending and were a small and speedy team forever. Great for the regular season. Now they learned and are built for the playoffs.

- SuperSchennBros


Why are we still talking Hextall, he's been gone for 2 years now. Not sure he brought in alot of talent as you suggest though. We can agree to disagree.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 3 @ 8:39 AM ET
Why are we still talking Hextall, he's been gone for 2 years now. Not sure he brought in alot of talent as you suggest though. We can agree to disagree.
- bradster

He drove the bus into the mud of mediocrity
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 3 @ 8:45 AM ET
Shea Weber, Josh Anderson, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, Ben Chiarot, Jeff Petry.

If Ron Hextall plan was a failure, it’s not for reasons that most have suggested.He brought in all the young talent we needed. Talent I still believe in. If Hextall’s vision was a failure, it was because he tried to change the culture of the Philadelphia Flyers for the worst. Prior to the 2014 seasons and below, we were a playoff team practically every year. We might not have been the broad street bullies but we could stir the pot, frustrate team and push back. We went backwards by getting rid of tough players and tried to get Discipline and speedy.

Montreal had the goaltending and were a small and speedy team forever. Great for the regular season. Now they learned and are built for the playoffs.

- SuperSchennBros

I think Hextall missed on a lot of players in the draft, and his FA signings and trades were poor in terms on bringing in talent. Overall disagree that the talent is here. I think Fletcher and his staff has done a much better job bringing talent into this organization.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 3 @ 9:11 AM ET
On the habs post about our former boy gustafsson:

Tonight, my sole criticism will be on Erik Gustafsson who couldn’t hold the line on the power play, lost the puck and it lead to a Jets shorthanded. To be honest, I’m surprised it took this long for him to commit a costly turnover. Thankfully, the Habs got their 2-goal lead back in minutes and they still kept their momentum. Gustafsson didn’t see the ice at all in the 3rd which meant a heavy workload for the top 4 once more

😂😂😂

- Bob Habib
Perhaps Fletcher can sign him again for next season!!!!
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 3 @ 9:15 AM ET
He drove the bus into the mud of mediocrity
- ClaudeFather


He did, and that's one of the reasons he's gone. The more time goes by, the more it looks like he didn't do a good job with Rubstov, JOB, Patrick, trading up for Ratcliffe, the list is getting bigger
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 3 @ 9:19 AM ET
I’m curious with impending free agent Couturier how team can afford to throw big dollars on a dman this year? If they give Jones 9 million, then Couts will want similar dollars next year. Don’t forget about G next year 4-5milion?. With flyers salary cap situation team would need to unload a lot of cap dollars through trades and expansion in the next year to make all of this work. I just don’t see Fletcher being creative enough to reconfigure all of this. I think flyers are screwed.
- wbroudy


This guy gets it.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 3 @ 9:21 AM ET
This guy gets it.
- Big_E_88


It's possible a high cap hit player gets taken in the expansion draft as well. But yeah, if Giroux is asking for too much money, Couturier is the priority there.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 3 @ 9:22 AM ET
This guy gets it.
- Big_E_88

👍👍
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 3 @ 9:23 AM ET
Flyers picking 13th. I can see a scenario where the Flyers trade this pick to Columbus along with a defenseman for Jones, and the Flyers take the risk that they can convince him to sign a long term deal with the team once he's here. This gives Columbus two picks in the top 13 in a defenseman heavy draft.
- jd250


The only way I see this idea working is if that Flyers Dman is Provy. I think Columbus would get a better offer than the 13th pick & any Flyers Dman not named Provy.

And moving Provy in a deal for Jones makes little sense to me. Despite his flaws, Provy is locked in at a price that will almost certainly be lower than Jones' next deal.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

Jun 3 @ 9:24 AM ET
I think Hextall missed on a lot of players in the draft, and his FA signings and trades were poor in terms on bringing in talent. Overall disagree that the talent is here. I think Fletcher and his staff has done a much better job bringing talent into this organization.
- jd250

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