Fair leaves for a lot of interpretation.

Disagree it is a business. They need to do what is best for business. Cant worry about hurting ones feelings. What is the the "right" way in your opinion?
- hello it's me 2050

Part of a business is culture, in fact when faced with challenges culture is typically a big reason a team will rise above and accomplish their task. Without culture you don't have a business.


What is true to me is this past season they came in thinking we are a 4 line team, G and Jake will need less minutes. What ended up to be true is that G, Jake and the JVR's are the only ones who stepped up. AV at some point had to go back to playing them more with the realization the rest of the group wasn't living up to the hopes. G is still a very effective player, still top 6 and he still has a great shot.

Their plan in theory was right, with balanced lines the Flyers would be a good team. If they had that balance G would have had a better season. They need to get the mix right, get G the right linemates and have 3 lines that score and D who can defend and breakout.

The right thing is the right contract for G and the right mix on the team. I think G's contract is well timed, he should get fair value, maybe a 2-3 year deal at the 4-5 range. G will put up 60 plus points this coming season

Part of a business is culture, in fact when faced with challenges culture is typically a big reason a team will rise above and accomplish their task. Without culture you don't have a business.


What is true to me is this past season they came in thinking we are a 4 line team, G and Jake will need less minutes. What ended up to be true is that G, Jake and the JVR's are the only ones who stepped up. AV at some point had to go back to playing them more with the realization the rest of the group wasn't living up to the hopes. G is still a very effective player, still top 6 and he still has a great shot.

Their plan in theory was right, with balanced lines the Flyers would be a good team. If they had that balance G would have had a better season. They need to get the mix right, get G the right linemates and have 3 lines that score and D who can defend and breakout.

The right thing is the right contract for G and the right mix on the team. I think G's contract is well timed, he should get fair value, maybe a 2-3 year deal at the 4-5 range. G will put up 60 plus points this coming season
- wcorvette

What culture do the Flyers have in 2021?

Don't think any is saying he isn't productive player.

Who says the right thing to do isn't move on and go separate ways? Why is resigning him the right thing to do?

Shocked no Roddy Ross contract.

Bill do you see the Flyer making a legit run for Eichel?
- hello it's me 2050

He would prefer Jones, he has said before.

What culture do the Flyers have in 2021?

Don't think any is saying he isn't productive player.

Who says the right thing to do isn't move on and go separate ways? Why is resigning him the right thing to do?
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly & the captain/leadership group of players is apart of the culture. It’s not where it needs to be. Time to move on.

What culture do the Flyers have in 2021?

Don't think any is saying he isn't productive player.

Who says the right thing to do isn't move on and go separate ways? Why is resigning him the right thing to do?
- hello it's me 2050

Don't know what culture they have but they need to have it. Culture is built on the decisions made and the day to day leadership. Losing doesn't mean they don't have a strong culture. Has the long rebuild and the losing chipped away at their confidence and their culture? Most likely.

If G wants to stay he has earned the right to stay. If he is ok being moved then that is a different story. Clearing out a still productive player, one who has EARNED the right to stay and wants to stay, does have an impact on the culture of the franchise.

I could see if the Flyers were not in it next season, I could see G being ok going to a contender. That to me is the way you would respect the player and the franchise.

But the Flyers have enough parts to put together a really good team that includes G one where G is still a good contributor.

I mean if they find that D they need, Hart and the gang bounce back and they add a sniper, with the skills of a Tarasenko, shxt changes quick.

CAPs, Pens, Toronto and more have not proven much more than the Flyers. To me there is the AV's, Vegas and Tampa. Then you have the Canes and Boston who could be on that level but have to prove it first.

CF needs to have the best off-season of any GM, if he does the Flyers will be on the right track.

What culture do the Flyers have in 2021?

Don't think any is saying he isn't productive player.

Who says the right thing to do isn't move on and go separate ways? Why is resigning him the right thing to do?
- hello it's me 2050

When you get spanked 9 to fn 0 by a division rival, and show zero fight as you are getting completely embarrassed, then follow that up with a 8 -3 loss the next week to the same opponent, imo that shows there is no culture on this current team. This has to change in the upcoming season.

Don't know what culture they have but they need to have it. Culture is built on the decisions made and the day to day leadership. Losing doesn't mean they don't have a strong culture. Has the long rebuild and the losing chipped away at their confidence and their culture? Most likely.

If G wants to stay he has earned the right to stay. If he is ok being moved then that is a different story. Clearing out a still productive player, one who has EARNED the right to stay and wants to stay, does have an impact on the culture of the franchise.

I could see if the Flyers were not in it next season, I could see G being ok going to a contender. That to me is the way you would respect the player and the franchise.

But the Flyers have enough parts to put together a really good team that includes G one where G is still a good contributor.

I mean if they find that D they need, Hart and the gang bounce back and they add a sniper, with the skills of a Tarasenko, shxt changes quick.

CAPs, Pens, Toronto and more have not proven much more than the Flyers. To me there is the AV's, Vegas and Tampa. Then you have the Canes and Boston who could be on that level but have to prove it first.

CF needs to have the best off-season of any GM, if he does the Flyers will be on the right track.
- wcorvette

That is where we disagree as he hasn't "earned" any right to stay. I do not buy that logic in this case. Don't think it has any impact on the culture. It is a business now more so than ever. It won't have any negative bearing on the franchise imo.

In your opinion do you think you can become a better team by removing a 65 point player and replacing him with a 35 point player? Are you just looking at the players points?

Do they really have enough parts to put together a good team? I cant sit here and say they do.

the 2010 team had everything but consistency. They were a shootout loss from missing the playoffs entirely.
- KGBflyers10

But they had it all

That is where we disagree as he hasn't "earned" any right to stay. I do not buy that logic in this case. Don't think it has any impact on the culture. It is a business now more so than ever. It won't have any negative bearing on the franchise imo.

In your opinion do you think you can become a better team by removing a 65 point player and replacing him with a 35 point player? Are you just looking at the players points?

Do they really have enough parts to put together a good team? I cant sit here and say they do.
- hello it's me 2050

Well that is where we do disagree. There are many stories of G and his work ethic and leadership. I am sure the team knows that G was at one a top 5-10 NHL player, they know he chose to say through the rebuild. That is all character, especially to younger players who are going through the ups and downs of building an NHL career. Removing that player in a bad way WILL effect the team, it will effect culture, it will have impact on future FA's. For how long I don't know.

You must not have read my whole posts or you would have not asked the 2nd question. The mix of players is clearly the Flyers biggest issue, they have a lot of good parts they just don't all fit right now.

Well you can make a case that they don't have the parts, I can make one they do. You don't magically go from a team who is headed to contention, a team with a deep prospect pool, to a team with no parts to put together a good team. In theory they had that team coming into this season, everything fell apart. The Flyers have players that have real value, prospects with real value, they have a lot of pics for the draft. I guess I should of put in caps "CF NEEDS TO HAVE THE BEST OFFSEASON OF ANY GM".

CF has played the cards he was dealt so far, he missed on not replacing Nisk. This is the first season he really has the landscape to really change it up.

Lastly, being "just a business" is even more of a reason they need a strong culture.

But they had it all
- Scoob

except a third D pairing

But they had it all
- Scoob

Nostalgia is just a form of selective memory loss.

1.8% chance...
My prediction, we win the first round pick and in 3 years we are all discussing that we can't have nice things.

Nostalgia is just a form of selective memory loss.
- Tomahawk

< = looking up a dead dogs A$$...

Well that is where we do disagree. There are many stories of G and his work ethic and leadership. I am sure the team knows that G was at one a top 5-10 NHL player, they know he chose to say through the rebuild. That is all character, especially to younger players who are going through the ups and downs of building an NHL career. Removing that player in a bad way WILL effect the team, it will effect culture, it will have impact on future FA's. For how long I don't know.

You must not have read my whole posts or you would have not asked the 2nd question. The mix of players is clearly the Flyers biggest issue, they have a lot of good parts they just don't all fit right now.

Well you can make a case that they don't have the parts, I can make one they do. You don't magically go from a team who is headed to contention, a team with a deep prospect pool, to a team with no parts to put together a good team. In theory they had that team coming into this season, everything fell apart. The Flyers have players that have real value, prospects with real value, they have a lot of pics for the draft. I guess I should of put in caps "CF NEEDS TO HAVE THE BEST OFFSEASON OF ANY GM".

CF has played the cards he was dealt so far, he missed on not replacing Nisk. This is the first season he really has the landscape to really change it up.

Lastly, being "just a business" is even more of a reason they need a strong culture.
- wcorvette

Key word “stories”. The eye test is something that isn’t hear say. It’s not about talking the talk but walking the walking

1.8% chance...
My prediction, we win the first round pick and in 3 years we are all discussing that we can't have nice things.
- konalover711

Who is the projected first pick this year ?

When you get spanked 9 to fn 0 by a division rival, and show zero fight as you are getting completely embarrassed, then follow that up with a 8 -3 loss the next week to the same opponent, imo that shows there is no culture on this current team. This has to change in the upcoming season.
- Robert's Plant

What are you talking about.... getting boat raced and not fighting like a rabid dog is a culture. Its the culture of rolling over like a good B!tch.

Who is the projected first pick this year ?
- ClaudeFather

Willie Fistergash

Well that is where we do disagree. There are many stories of G and his work ethic and leadership. I am sure the team knows that G was at one a top 5-10 NHL player, they know he chose to say through the rebuild. That is all character, especially to younger players who are going through the ups and downs of building an NHL career. Removing that player in a bad way WILL effect the team, it will effect culture, it will have impact on future FA's. For how long I don't know.

You must not have read my whole posts or you would have not asked the 2nd question. The mix of players is clearly the Flyers biggest issue, they have a lot of good parts they just don't all fit right now.

Well you can make a case that they don't have the parts, I can make one they do. You don't magically go from a team who is headed to contention, a team with a deep prospect pool, to a team with no parts to put together a good team. In theory they had that team coming into this season, everything fell apart. The Flyers have players that have real value, prospects with real value, they have a lot of pics for the draft. I guess I should of put in caps "CF NEEDS TO HAVE THE BEST OFFSEASON OF ANY GM".

CF has played the cards he was dealt so far, he missed on not replacing Nisk. This is the first season he really has the landscape to really change it up.

Lastly, being "just a business" is even more of a reason they need a strong culture.
- wcorvette

He choose to stay during a rebuild. That he did. Winning is not a top priority for him. If it comes for him great.

It will have zero bearing on free agents. The Flyers lack of success the last decade has a real effect on free agents. This team has no culture to speak of today. Once can make the argument the culture is losing and accepting mediocrity. Maybe jettisoning your long time captain shows others you want to change that culture no?

Yes they have talented individual players. As a team they are not very good. The players with "real" value are the ones very few want to trade. They have solid prospects like pretty much every other NHL team. How many blue chip ones? York is all I see. Others in that next tier below. Other teams have much better higher end prospects.

He choose to stay during a rebuild. That he did. Winning is not a top priority for him. If it comes for him great.

It will have zero bearing on free agents. The Flyers lack of success the last decade has a real effect on free agents. This team has no culture to speak of today. Once can make the argument the culture is losing and accepting mediocrity. Maybe jettisoning your long time captain shows others you want to change that culture no?

Yes they have talented individual players. As a team they are not very good. The players with "real" value are the ones very few want to trade. They have solid prospects like pretty much every other NHL team. How many blue chip ones? York is all I see. Others in that next tier below. Other teams have much better higher end prospects.
- hello it's me 2050

👏

Winning #1 tonight may heal the Embiid loss

This 2010 Flyers team was one of the most complete teams in Flyers history, they had everything, skill, speed, toughness ... EXCEPT they just needed a goalie. Leighton did the best he could for what he was, an AHL level goalie, but with even a top 15 goalie in the league, this team would have won this series and the Cup! Its maddening to be reminded just how good this team was in the 2010 playoffs.
- jd250

Here are some stats for you for the AHL level goalie. (I know that Leighton will rank with the Wild Thing in Philly sports history for that last Kane goal that he let in but the overall picture is much more kind):

Against BOS. 3 games played, sv% 0.95
Against Montreal: 5 games played, sv% 0.95 (and 3 shutouts)
Overall in playoffs: 14 games played: sv % 0.916

Now lets look at the top 2 forwards of that complete team in the finals:

Mike Richards: 6GP 1G 1A 2P -7
Jeff Carter: 6 GP 1G 1A 2P -6

Are you sure it was all Leighton's fault?

He choose to stay during a rebuild. That he did. Winning is not a top priority for him. If it comes for him great.

It will have zero bearing on free agents. The Flyers lack of success the last decade has a real effect on free agents. This team has no culture to speak of today. Once can make the argument the culture is losing and accepting mediocrity. Maybe jettisoning your long time captain shows others you want to change that culture no?

Yes they have talented individual players. As a team they are not very good. The players with "real" value are the ones very few want to trade. They have solid prospects like pretty much every other NHL team. How many blue chip ones? York is all I see. Others in that next tier below. Other teams have much better higher end prospects.
- hello it's me 2050

We are both welcome to our opinions.

My opinion

"Doesn't care about winning" just a non factual comment

Zero bearing on FA's, you are kidding right? If a FA signs with a team they want to know they have the loyalty of team, typically this is their last contract, typically they have a family. Culture is not winning or losing it is how you approach winning and losing, it is your commitment to your values and how you respond when shxt goes bad. Yes losing effects culture. It was easier to have better culture last season when they were winning. The real culture will show up this coming season, one good season and then a bad one, how will the franchise respond, character and culture will be very important. Talented individual players and all of them are just not tradable, NONSENSE. The young core has value, if you don't think teams are asking for Sanheim or TK or Farabee or Myers or Provy or JAKE or JVR, the last 2 with retained salary then you must also think everyone but the Flyers win the cup this year.


The truth is there will be 30 teams (Leafs, Pens, Caps, Blues, Dallas, San Jose, Panthers, Oilers, LA, I'll stop there) looking for answers, I am sure some of their fans are saying what you are saying (we suck, we got nothing, the sky is falling). The truth or my truth is that the Flyers have talent and prospects, they are missing the right mix. This is the year they need to address it all to get it right, the rebuild needs to be over.

He choose to stay during a rebuild. That he did. Winning is not a top priority for him. If it comes for him great.

It will have zero bearing on free agents. The Flyers lack of success the last decade has a real effect on free agents. This team has no culture to speak of today. Once can make the argument the culture is losing and accepting mediocrity. Maybe jettisoning your long time captain shows others you want to change that culture no?

Yes they have talented individual players. As a team they are not very good. The players with "real" value are the ones very few want to trade. They have solid prospects like pretty much every other NHL team. How many blue chip ones? York is all I see. Others in that next tier below. Other teams have much better higher end prospects.
- hello it's me 2050

Winning #1 tonight may heal the Embiid loss
- arichardson22

Season is over the Sixers. Not literally yet, but soon.

Season is over the Sixers. Not literally yet, but soon.
- PT21

if the nets advance, they're not beating them anyway.