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I think Mark Alt and Luke Schenn look solid LoL!!!

The handedness gets overblown. Shouldn't matter what hand they are if they can play each side effectively. Though this coach prefers the left/right dynamic.

Larson ( 4 year) Savard (3 years) would be solid additions. No idea what their price tag will be or what term they eventfully get.

Larson, Savard... I could live with either of them.

Montreal isnt beating Winnipeg no matter how Price plays in net. Toronto beat themselves they played like a team with a piano on their back.

Bill now that the covid landscape has changed for the better compared with 8 months ago. Do you get any sense or do you think Niskannen gives it another shot.
- hello it's me 2050

I was wondering the same thing. Heard he is content in retirement.

Montreal isnt beating Winnipeg no matter how Price plays in net. Toronto beat themselves they played like a team with a piano on their back.
- hfc355

Habs in 6

I STILL think we should have offer-sheeted Marner.

The Leafs & Flyers would both be better teams today if we had.

The series was classic goalie stands on head and mind (frank)s the other team into the ground. Carey Price was ridiculous. His glove hand was unbeatable. He was tracking deflections like they were coming at him in bullet time.

If Price is gonna play like that moving forward, I wouldn't wanna be Winnipeg or whoever else they may run into.




- Tomahawk

I told you a few days ago when they were up 3-1 and you were lauding Leafs discipline that I was not sold on them.

The Marner/Matthew line is not a good combination for the playoffs. Too often, Marner seems sort of out of control and trying to be too creative instead of playing a playoff game and picking his spots to show his skills. Too often, Matthew ends up behind the net with his back to the goal. That should be someone else there digging the puck out while every defender is nervous about where he is.

I do agree about Price. I admire the guy's positioning and reflexes, and how minimalistic his style is. He is the opposite of Hasek in that sense.

I would love to have a guy like Marner here. He is precisely the kind of player we lack. High end talent and creativity. That combined with the more grounded play of guys like Couturier, Bee, Laughton, Giroux and Allison would be a nice mix. That's a huge cap hit, but he is only 23, and he has only 4 more years.

I would definitely be willing to do TK+Sanheim for Marner, depending how far away York is from assuming 2nd pairing LHD role full time.

I STILL think we should have offer-sheeted Marner.

The Leafs & Flyers would both be better teams today if we had.
- DrMidnite

Maybe the revisit the Ghost for Nylander rumors that hextall allegedly turned down.

I STILL think we should have offer-sheeted Marner.

The Leafs & Flyers would both be better teams today if we had.
- DrMidnite

Our fans constantly rip on how soft / small our team is and we hate guys who disappear in big moments. Literally what Marner is. Great player but me thinks Philly wouldn’t love him

Our fans constantly rip on how soft / small our team is and we hate guys who disappear in big moments. Literally what Marner is. Great player but me thinks Philly wouldn’t love him
- arichardson22

I understand where you are coming from, and you maybe totally right, but I also see a personnel mismatch in that team for Marner's talent.

Put him on a line with say Couturier and Allison, and that's two big, tough, defensively responsible forwards who thrive going to the dirty areas. Marner has never had that in the Leafs.

On a more glum note, numerous posters I respect are saying Seth Jones is overrated, and stats bear them out, and it bums me out that I don't see it from the eye test.

I understand where you are coming from, and you maybe totally right, but I also see a personnel mismatch in that team for Marner's talent.

Put him on a line with say Couturier and Allison, and that's two big, tough, defensively responsible forwards who thrive going to the dirty areas. Marner has never had that in the Leafs.

On a more glum note, numerous posters I respect are saying Seth Jones is overrated, and stats bear them out, and it bums me out that I don't see it from the eye test.
- PT21

Jones is going to get a huge contract. He wont be worth that contract. Doesn't mean he isn't a quality player. Still think the Flyers best bet is a trade if they want to get Ivana nd others some help. Unless they think a Savard and LArsson can be what the D needs.

I understand where you are coming from, and you maybe totally right, but I also see a personnel mismatch in that team for Marner's talent.

Put him on a line with say Couturier and Allison, and that's two big, tough, defensively responsible forwards who thrive going to the dirty areas. Marner has never had that in the Leafs.

On a more glum note, numerous posters I respect are saying Seth Jones is overrated, and stats bear them out, and it bums me out that I don't see it from the eye test.
- PT21

I have no doubt if we had Marner he becomes the most skilled and best forward on our team. For years those fans have been begging for “grit and size.” I just can’t help but think of TK after this season (or the bubble) and how fans have gone sour on him a little for his production and cap hit. Cant say I’ve watched a lot of Blue Jackets games but I am surprised to see so many people call him ovear rated.

Jones is going to get a huge contract. He wont be worth that contract. Doesn't mean he isn't a quality player. Still think the Flyers best bet is a trade if they want to get Ivana nd others some help. Unless they think a Savard and LArsson can be what the D needs.
- hello it's me 2050

Honestly getting dmen of that quality could be better than going after the big trophy fish. Think Niskanen. Many wrote him off after we traded for him. But he played his role perfectly and it allowed guys like Myers and Sanheim (and Braun) to slide into their own ideal roles. I can’t help but think of Couts sayin in post season presser key guys were lost and we weren’t able to step up / into roles. We all thought Myers and Sanheim would take a step forward this year and they arguably took 2 steps back. Obviously the big fish guys like Jones or Hamilton are better overall players but a veteran like Larson or Savard could allow us to use cap elsewhere to help the team. Also aren’t losing roster guys in a trade since it’s free agency.

Jones is going to get a huge contract. He wont be worth that contract. Doesn't mean he isn't a quality player. Still think the Flyers best bet is a trade if they want to get Ivana nd others some help. Unless they think a Savard and LArsson can be what the D needs.
- hello it's me 2050

Lets have a little exercise.

What kind of defenseman was Niskanen? He wasn't overly skilled, physical, speedy. He wasn't what I would call a defensive defenseman, nor would I say he was an offensive defenseman.

What he was, was a steady veteran presence who was able to ride shotgun to our best defenseman and make him better.

Maybe we don't need a high priced "true #1" and what we need is another solid veteran who can play top 4 minutes. Someone to steady the ship and whose play on the ice will lead by example. Braun is a vet presence but he is way past his ability to lead from the front as Nisky seemed to be able to do. Braun is strictly a defensive guy as well, so that "type" isn't what we are looking for.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that I hope they can get the right fit more so than the biggest salary...either by trade or FA. If its the same guy than so be it.

Hopefully if Chuck finds the right guy, he can also add in other areas of need without putting all our eggs in the same proverbial basket. We need a guy who can play 20-22 minutes a night, preferably kill penalties, and take some pressure off Provorov. And by proxy take pressure off of the other 4 guys in the lineup.

Honestly getting dmen of that quality could be better than going after the big trophy fish. Think Niskanen. Many wrote him off after we traded for him. But he played his role perfectly and it allowed guys like Myers and Sanheim (and Braun) to slide into their own ideal roles. I can’t help but think of Couts sayin in post season presser key guys were lost and we weren’t able to step up / into roles. We all thought Myers and Sanheim would take a step forward this year and they arguably took 2 steps back. Obviously the big fish guys like Jones or Hamilton are better overall players but a veteran like Larson or Savard could allow us to use cap elsewhere to help the team. Also aren’t losing roster guys in a trade since it’s free agency.
- arichardson22

yes, this.

I told you a few days ago when they were up 3-1 and you were lauding Leafs discipline that I was not sold on them.

The Marner/Matthew line is not a good combination for the playoffs. Too often, Marner seems sort of out of control and trying to be too creative instead of playing a playoff game and picking his spots to show his skills. Too often, Matthew ends up behind the net with his back to the goal. That should be someone else there digging the puck out while every defender is nervous about where he is.

I do agree about Price. I admire the guy's positioning and reflexes, and how minimalistic his style is. He is the opposite of Hasek in that sense.

I would love to have a guy like Marner here. He is precisely the kind of player we lack. High end talent and creativity. That combined with the more grounded play of guys like Couturier, Bee, Laughton, Giroux and Allison would be a nice mix. That's a huge cap hit, but he is only 23, and he has only 4 more years.

I would definitely be willing to do TK+Sanheim for Marner, depending how far away York is from assuming 2nd pairing LHD role full time.
- PT21

If Toronto is going to move from Marner its going to be for a top defenseman and that's definitely not Sanheim. Maybe TK and Provy get it done.

Our fans constantly rip on how soft / small our team is and we hate guys who disappear in big moments. Literally what Marner is. Great player but me thinks Philly wouldn’t love him
- arichardson22

This premise relies on our smallish guys being as good as Marner, which they are not even close.

He is over a PPG for his career on a probably fatally flawed Toronto team.

Lets have a little exercise.

What kind of defenseman was Niskanen? He wasn't overly skilled, physical, speedy. He wasn't what I would call a defensive defenseman, nor would I say he was an offensive defenseman.

What he was, was a steady veteran presence who was able to ride shotgun to our best defenseman and make him better.

Maybe we don't need a high priced "true #1" and what we need is another solid veteran who can play top 4 minutes. Someone to steady the ship and whose play on the ice will lead by example. Braun is a vet presence but he is way past his ability to lead from the front as Nisky seemed to be able to do. Braun is strictly a defensive guy as well, so that "type" isn't what we are looking for.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that I hope they can get the right fit more so than the biggest salary...either by trade or FA. If its the same guy than so be it.

Hopefully if Chuck finds the right guy, he can also add in other areas of need without putting all our eggs in the same proverbial basket. We need a guy who can play 20-22 minutes a night, preferably kill penalties, and take some pressure off Provorov. And by proxy take pressure off of the other 4 guys in the lineup.
- MBFlyerfan

Think you are underrating Niskannen. He offered much more than a steady vet presence. Though I get what your saying.

Savard and Larson were not as good as Nikannen imo. Though I do think they could get the job done.

I told you a few days ago when they were up 3-1 and you were lauding Leafs discipline that I was not sold on them.

The Marner/Matthew line is not a good combination for the playoffs. Too often, Marner seems sort of out of control and trying to be too creative instead of playing a playoff game and picking his spots to show his skills. Too often, Matthew ends up behind the net with his back to the goal. That should be someone else there digging the puck out while every defender is nervous about where he is.

I do agree about Price. I admire the guy's positioning and reflexes, and how minimalistic his style is. He is the opposite of Hasek in that sense.

I would love to have a guy like Marner here. He is precisely the kind of player we lack. High end talent and creativity. That combined with the more grounded play of guys like Couturier, Bee, Laughton, Giroux and Allison would be a nice mix. That's a huge cap hit, but he is only 23, and he has only 4 more years.

I would definitely be willing to do TK+Sanheim for Marner, depending how far away York is from assuming 2nd pairing LHD role full time.
- PT21

M + M played well together (outside of a gaffe or two), created a bunch of chances, but Price robbed them of probably half a dozen goals. I don't see how they differ as a duo from many of the top talents on Cup teams. If they had scored a couple of goals, nobody would be questioning their PO worthiness. They mostly played good D, had pretty good puck management and competed their asses off.

This series pretty much reminded everybody (especially Craig Button, lol) that a mountain of talent becomes irrelevant in the face of transcendent goaltending.

I love Marner, but Flyers would have to be pretty crazy to spend their limited cap space and burn assets on a playmaking winger right now.

If Toronto is going to move from Marner its going to be for a top defenseman and that's definitely not Sanheim. Maybe TK and Provy get it done.
- KGBflyers10

Don't forget something though. He comes with a price tag of 10.9 mil. He is small, and had had 2 disappearing acts in 2 successive first round exits. He is getting a rep as a perimeter player. All that's gonna be a net negative that subtracts from his talent alone.

But yeah, TK's stock has fallen quite a bit. They might even be open to shedding some $ to sign a couple of mid level vet guys.

I don't get the Foligno trade. If he is injured, why give up a 1st for him?

M + M played well together (outside of a gaffe or two), created a bunch of chances, but Price robbed them of probably half a dozen goals. I don't see how they differ as a duo from many of the top talents on Cup teams. If they had scored a couple of goals, nobody would be questioning their PO worthiness. They mostly played good D, had pretty good puck management and competed their asses off.

This series pretty much reminded everybody (especially Craig Button, lol) that a mountain of talent becomes irrelevant in the face of transcendent goaltending.

I love Marner, but Flyers would have to be pretty crazy to spend their limited cap space and burn assets on a playmaking winger right now.
- Tomahawk

Hmmmm, who among the Flyers disappears every playoff? Maybe their 'best' player too?

My point was people are so petrified over offer-sheet retaliation that they don't realize it's all fair, man.

If you have a good, restricted player who refuses to sign? Either: don't match and take the compensation, trade them, or overpay. It's as simple as that.

But the whole 'gentlemans agreement' to not offer sheet always seemed stupid to me.

Don't forget something though. He comes with a price tag of 10.9 mil. He is small, and had had 2 disappearing acts in 2 successive first round exits. He is getting a rep as a perimeter player. All that's gonna be a net negative that subtracts from his talent alone.

But yeah, TK's stock has fallen quite a bit. They might even be open to shedding some $ to sign a couple of mid level vet guys.

I don't get the Foligno trade. If he is injured, why give up a 1st for him?
- PT21

Marner's contract is going to be hard to move, especially with the flat cap--so Toronto is limited in what they can get for him because teams are going to think long and hard taking that contract.

They never should have signed Tavares and then Nylander. They have too much money tied up in forwards.

Hmmmm, who among the Flyers disappears every playoff? Maybe their 'best' player too?

- DrMidnite

I assume that's a shot at Giroux. If that's the case, I'd like you to look up Crosby's recent stat line in the past two postseasons or so.

M + M played well together (outside of a gaffe or two), created a bunch of chances, but Price robbed them of probably half a dozen goals. I don't see how they differ as a duo from many of the top talents on Cup teams. If they had scored a couple of goals, nobody would be questioning their PO worthiness. They mostly played good D, had pretty good puck management and competed their asses off.

This series pretty much reminded everybody (especially Craig Button, lol) that a mountain of talent becomes irrelevant in the face of transcendent goaltending.

I love Marner, but Flyers would have to be pretty crazy to spend their limited cap space and burn assets on a playmaking winger right now.
- Tomahawk

Hmm, we must have watched different series. As you know Nylander, by far their best forward. played with them yesterday and, in a game 7, here is what 29 odd mil and gaudy regular season stats got you:

"Through two periods on Monday, Matthews, Marner and Nylander had combined for a single shot on net and the Leafs didn’t generate one high-danger scoring chance (compared to three by Montreal)."

https://www.tsn.ca/kriste...-in-series-loss-1.1647990

Note: the above has absolutely nothing to do with Price. Speaking of whom, the way to break a goalie like Price is to knock him off his composure by crashing and banging the net, (like we did against Halak in 2010) not try to get into a pissing contest and thread the gap between post and his glove hand. That's what M&M did. They needed a guy like Marchand in there.

I assume that's a shot at Giroux. If that's the case, I'd like you to look up Crosby's recent stat line in the past two postseasons or so.
- KGBflyers10

The same guy that won 3 cups? Lol, Ok.