They're probably gonna lose a good dman in expansion.

And Makar and Jones would both anchor their own pairings.
- Tomahawk

Which one gets the coveted PP1 time? It would be Makar.

Sounds like you prefer size, so let me ask this: were you pissed we didn’t choose Cole Caufield and went York instead?
- arichardson22

Didn't know either way, hindsight i like the way Caulfiels is always motoring his feet are moving....I do think he is going to be a broken toy soon enough too...

Which one gets the coveted PP1 time? It would be Makar.
- bmeltzer

Definitely.

Hmm. My guess would be Boston.

I honestly don't know why he would want to come here. The fact that he let CBJ know so early and never started contract negotiations likely means he wants to go to a contender and its not about the money. He must see Philly is not a contender in the indefinite future.
- PT21

I definitely don't expect Jones to get traded in-division.

Size and the position....
Don't think he can withstand the NHL pounding in the corners.
He does have great first outlet pass ability hope that mitigates his punishment.
- konalover711

Wow! York has done nothing but met or out preformed expectations. He is not a big guy but he doesn’t play that way. Look at Ellis. He is one of the best D in the league and is a small defender who moves the puck extremely well. York is a solid upside defender.

Frost shows some true NFL upside also. He broke his collar bone so I get your concern with him but talent is too six ability.

Not sure I think your AHL assessment on these two is accurate.

I can understand that Frost’s setbacks have caused you to think the sky is falling, but why Cam York?

What’s been your concern with him?

Is it being named Captain to the gold medal winning American squad at the WJC’s?

Was it being named Big 10 defensemen of the year?

Nobody around the kid seems to have your concerns, so what in particular scares you that he won’t have an NHL career?

Or is it absolutely nothing objective involving York himself, but rather frustration with a bad season that has led you to believe that you can’t have nice things. Expectations not only failing to be met, but falling drastically short.

See, THAT, I actually get.
- Hesh_

Im no scout nor a advances stats guy, and granted the shiny new toy we had in York was going to be highlighted in those games when little else mattered but I still feel like he was the best playing D man on the team in at least one of those games, Might take some time in the A next season although would it be that surprising if he did not. Not many on the team I consider untouchable after the season we just had, however he is likely our future best D man.

I definitely don't expect Jones to get traded in-division.
- Tomahawk

Good point. Are divisions reverting to pre-pandemic groups? I thought I read somewhere that Canadians want the North to stick around for at least 1 more season.

But anyway, also depends on haul back. Boston would be able to offer McAvoy, I presume? That beats Myers rather handsomely. I honestly don't know anything about Bruins prospects, so I will not pretend to know what they could offer.

How do we have an aging Core? Giroux, JVR, Braun and Voracek are not our Core anymore.

Couturier Laughton and Hayes are in their prime

Then you have guys like Konecny, Farabee, Provorov, Myers, Sanheim, NAK, Frost, Lindblom, Allison, NoPa, Hart plus many other young prospects that are 25 and under.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Giroux, Voracek and JVR were 1-2-3 in scoring this year, last year they were 3-4-6...they’re very much still part of the core group which the team relies on heavily to provide offense.

It really depends on your definition of core players. Mine is obviously different than yours. My core players are the guys who the team relies on the contribute the majority of the clubs offense and success, TK and Hayes are part of that group and yes they’re young, Farabee is knocking on the door with one good season out of two.

Giroux, Voracek and JVR were 1-2-3 in scoring this year, last year they were 3-4-6...they’re very much still part of the core group which the team relies on heavily to provide offense.

It really depends on your definition of core players. Mine is obviously different than yours. My core players are the guys who the team relies on the contribute the majority of the clubs offense and success, TK and Hayes are part of that group and yes they’re young, Farabee is knocking on the door with one good season out of two.
- Dave21Brown

You got it all wrong. Haven’t you been reading these posts. Giroux is a bum jvr is garbage viracek is a disappearing act. You can’t use stats to dispute those claims.

What kind of decision is starting lehner verse Colorado. Just stay out of your own way how hard is it

What kind of decision is starting lehner verse Colorado. Just stay out of your own way how hard is it
- ClaudeFather

Talk about over-coaching! Unless Fleury gave the impression that he was dinged up or worn out I don't see ANY reason to start Lehner. You can always go to Lehner if Fleury doesn't start well. Lehner looks rusty af. and Colorado's not the team to shake the rust off against!

Talk about over-coaching! Unless Fleury gave the impression that he was dinged up or worn out I don't see ANY reason to start Lehner. You can always go to Lehner if Fleury doesn't start well but now both goalies have the seed of doubt planted. Lehner looks rusty af.
- fishbulb

Yea it’s a no brainer to go with MAF. The luxury of having two goalies is you have a guy if one struggles or gets injured, neither of those things happened.

Yea it’s a no brainer to go with MAF. The luxury of having two goalies is you have a guy if one struggles or gets injured, neither of those things happened.
- ClaudeFather

It's also hard watching Cale Makar and not play the 'hindsight is 20/20' game. What an incredible compliment to Provorov he'd have been.

It's also hard watching Cale Makar and not play the 'hindsight is 20/20' game. What an incredible compliment to Provorov he'd have been.
- fishbulb

Oh man, disappointing at the least. We couldn’t even get the hischier of that top 5! We got the guy that’s potentially a fringe fourth liner.

Size and the position....
Don't think he can withstand the NHL pounding in the corners.
He does have great first outlet pass ability hope that mitigates his punishment.
- konalover711

Wow! York has done nothing but met or out preformed expectations. He is not a big guy but he doesn’t play that way. Look at Ellis. He is one of the best D in the league and is a small defender who moves the puck extremely well. York is a solid upside defender.

Frost shows some true NFL upside also. He broke his collar bone so I get your concern with him but talent is too six ability.

Not sure I think your AHL assessment on these two is accurate.

Good point. Are divisions reverting to pre-pandemic groups? I thought I read somewhere that Canadians want the North to stick around for at least 1 more season.

But anyway, also depends on haul back. Boston would be able to offer McAvoy, I presume? That beats Myers rather handsomely. I honestly don't know anything about Bruins prospects, so I will not pretend to know what they could offer.
- PT21

It probably will take a turnkey top player like McAvoy to get Jones. Don't think the Jackets are into pure futures/rebuild.

Have a hard time imaging Boston would do that, tho. McAvoy is probably on the same level as Jones and they already know he fits in perfectly w/ them. Although Jones is exactly the kind of player that the old farts in the Boston front office love.

Lehner's doing his best Bryz/Chechmanek impression in there. Sliding around looking awkward. Vegas is lucky it's only 2-0. Not sure what Fleury's situation is but it would be bizarre if he was left open and picked up again by an expansion team. Seattle could certainly do worse than him.

Wow! York has done nothing but met or out preformed expectations. He is not a big guy but he doesn’t play that way. Look at Ellis. He is one of the best D in the league and is a small defender who moves the puck extremely well. York is a solid upside defender.

Frost shows some true NFL upside also. He broke his collar bone so I get your concern with him but talent is too six ability.

Not sure I think your AHL assessment on these two is accurate.
- peesinwind

Out performed expectations??? What, he’s played like 3 games . He’s still a prospect at this point.

MacKinnon is such a damn good hockey player!
Does anyone remember when people said Jones should be the #1 pick that year?
The last McKinnon type player that we had was Eric Lindros
Then there is cal makar....the difference maker that we could have drafted. Hindsight really hurts with this one 😬
He is a beast just like MacKinnon

Out performed expectations??? What, he’s played like 3 games . He’s still a prospect at this point.
- ClaudeFather

Up to this point he has met or out preformed his expectations. Not where his Career expectations are. That’s just silly. After two plus years from draft? I’m talking about his expected rise. Captained the US championship team. Defensive player of the year. Looked like he belonged when he got the call up. Kids is on the path to be a solid top 4 defender.

Not a career AHL player as he was referenced to.

I think the shoulder is a problem, although not a dr just play one on here. He is too slight to handle say a center 6'1 -6'2. His engine doesn't seem to run at a high octane, a lot of glide to his game when he doesn't have the puck.
York is a mash up of all...We never get a fuking break with a pick. His size is a concern just due to NHL size dude coming at him shift after shift.
- konalover711

York is built like a tank. He will be fine.

Up to this point he has met or out preformed his expectations. Not where his Career expectations are. That’s just silly. After two plus years from draft? I’m talking about his expected rise. Captained the US championship team. Defensive player of the year. Looked like he belonged when he got the call up. Kids is on the path to be a solid top 4 defender.

Not a career AHL player as he was referenced to.
- peesinwind

Seen plenty of world juniors guys not pan out. I think he’s promising but no chance he’s outperformed anything, he’s done nothing. I liked what I saw in his short stint, smart with the puck, poised. But I need to see how he holds up in a full season, needs to make the team first as well.

skinner isnt part of that core.

Eichel Dahlin Reinhart Cozens Risto imo. I take that over the Flyers. The Leafs if they lose will need to 100% shake up that core.
- hello it's me 2050

Skinner is 100% part of the core. Skinner is signed for 6 more years at 9 mill. He is not movable at that cap hit. Whether they like it or not he is a core piece for the foreseeable future. Their only choice is to build around him

Giroux, Voracek and JVR were 1-2-3 in scoring this year, last year they were 3-4-6...they’re very much still part of the core group which the team relies on heavily to provide offense.

It really depends on your definition of core players. Mine is obviously different than yours. My core players are the guys who the team relies on the contribute the majority of the clubs offense and success, TK and Hayes are part of that group and yes they’re young, Farabee is knocking on the door with one good season out of two.
- Dave21Brown

No Your Core players are the ones you are building the team around. You are not building the 2022 Flyers around Voracek, Giroux or JVR.

Realistically Giroux could be gone after this season. Everyone around him says he is super competitive and wants to win so what is to say he wont decide to go elsewhere for a chance to win if this team isnt close.

Skinner is 100% part of the core. Skinner is signed for 6 more years at 9 mill. He is not movable at that cap hit. Whether they like it or not he is a core piece for the foreseeable future. Their only choice is to build around him



No Your Core players are the ones you are building the team around. You are not building the 2022 Flyers around Voracek, Giroux or JVR.

Realistically Giroux could be gone after this season. Everyone around him says he is super competitive and wants to win so what is to say he wont decide to go elsewhere for a chance to win if this team isnt close.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No...your core players are the ones who you win with now, not future projections. Nolan Patrick would be a core player in your mind, he’s not, he’s a fringe NHL’er.

No...your core players are the ones who you win with now, not future projections. Nolan Patrick would be a core player in your mind, he’s not, he’s a fringe NHL’er.
- Dave21Brown

Did I say Nolan Patrick was a core Piece? I did not. He hasnt done anything to show he's worth building around. Like I said our Core is:

Couturier
Hayes
Farabee
Provorov
Hart

Voracek, Giroux and JVR are now guys you surround your core with. These guys are the Nucleus of the Flyers