Would like to seethe flyers pursue a OEL and Kessel trade for Jake Ghost picks/prospects. Would be a good deal for both imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Hard pass on OEL -17
and the KesselRun

OELs best days behind him.

I want a scout to find a player that is the next thing, not a flavor of the year from 3 years ago....

RE: Flyers having an "aging core"

the PREVIOUS core of this team has aged, and is no longer the real core of the team

by previous core I mean guys like Giroux (33), Voracek (31) and the departed Simmonds (32)

the new core of this team is not old:

Hagg- 26
Sanheim - 25
Morin - 25
Provorov - 24
Myers - 24

Couturier - 28
Laughton - 27
Konecny - 24
Lindblom - 24
Patrick - 22
Farabee - 21

Hart - 22

Frost and York are knocking on the door too
- Coburns_Nose

Which door. My guess is the AHL door.

I thought the same thing. Could be our next Pronger. I also thought about Karlsson maybe for Voracek +, with SJ retaining some salary. It would be a good way for SJ to get out of that contract if they want to rebuild/reload.
- flyer4ever75

Karlsson. dude you're high....

He is a hot mess getting worse and worse....
No ducking thank you!!!

No way am I interested in bringing Weber here now. Plus, I don't think Montreal would trade him, and especially not for G.

EDIT: Especially if they knock off Toronto tomorrow.

They all say that kind of stuff. What else would you expect him to say? You don't think that management asking him to waive his NMC would be motivation enough for him to do so? They'd basically be telling their captain who's been hear for 10+ years that we don't want you anymore. Why would G want to stay after that?
- Big_E_88

But management isn't going to ask him. So its a moot point.

But management isn't going to ask him. So its a moot point.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree it's unlikely, but how can you be so sure? He's entering the last year of his deal. How do you know that what he'll be looking for on his next deal in terms of both AAV & term? I gotta think preliminary talks about his next deal have either already started, or certainly will in the very near future. If what he's looking for isn't in line with the Flyers other plans, don't you think they would at least ask him about waiving (or giving them a list) so they could try to get something for him as opposed to him walking for nothing? Doesn't seem like too unreasonable of a scenario to me.

And I'm not a G hater. I am open to re-signing him if the deal is right. But the more thought I give to it, I don't see him accepting a deal that I'd be comfortable with. Especially if they're going to be re-signing Couts at essentially the same time.

Which door. My guess is the AHL door.
- konalover711

If they are healthy, both will be on the NHL roster next season.

I agree it's unlikely, but how can you be so sure? He's entering the last year of his deal. How do you know that what he'll be looking for on his next deal in terms of both AAV & term? I gotta think preliminary talks about his next deal have either already started, or certainly will in the very near future. If what he's looking for isn't in line with the Flyers other plans, don't you think they would at least ask him about waiving (or giving them a list) so they could try to get something for him as opposed to him walking for nothing? Doesn't seem like too unreasonable of a scenario to me.

And I'm not a G hater. I am open to re-signing him if the deal is right. But the more thought I give to it, I don't see him accepting a deal that I'd be comfortable with. Especially if they're going to be re-signing Couts at essentially the same time.
- Big_E_88

G isn't a moron, he knows he is not going to get 8.275 aav in his next deal.....from anyone, let alone the Flyers.

If he wants to stay here and win, he will take a reasonable deal from the team. Somewhere between 5 and 6 aav. And I see a 3 or 4 year deal depending on the AAV. Coots will be getting north of 7, somewhere between 7 and 8 aav for 4 to 6 years.

These are just guesses of course, but based on what deals I have seen given out by this team over the past few years, they both seem reasonable for both sides.

If they are healthy, both will be on the NHL roster next season.
- MBFlyerfan

I hope your are right....For some reason, I just don't see NHL careers for either one.

G isn't a moron, he knows he is not going to get 8.275 aav in his next deal.....from anyone, let alone the Flyers.

If he wants to stay here and win, he will take a reasonable deal from the team. Somewhere between 5 and 6 aav. And I see a 3 or 4 year deal depending on the AAV. Coots will be getting north of 7, somewhere between 7 and 8 aav for 4 to 6 years.

These are just guesses of course, but based on what deals I have seen given out by this team over the past few years, they both seem reasonable for both sides.
- MBFlyerfan

I expect it to be somewhat of a swapping of cap hits myself, maybe G a little higher than what Coots is now but all in all a slight increase in total between the two.

I hope your are right....For some reason, I just don't see NHL careers for either one.
- konalover711

I can understand that Frost’s setbacks have caused you to think the sky is falling, but why Cam York?

What’s been your concern with him?

Is it being named Captain to the gold medal winning American squad at the WJC’s?

Was it being named Big 10 defensemen of the year?

Nobody around the kid seems to have your concerns, so what in particular scares you that he won’t have an NHL career?

Or is it absolutely nothing objective involving York himself, but rather frustration with a bad season that has led you to believe that you can’t have nice things. Expectations not only failing to be met, but falling drastically short.

See, THAT, I actually get.

If I’m Columbus I take your deal
Immediately!!!!
Seth Jones is without question one of the top 5 most over rated D in the league and his next contract will be regretted by the team who makes it ridiculously fast.
- Ross77

Jones probably isn't Norris-trophy-level good, but he's still easily better than everybody currently on the Flyers blueline.

With that said, I'm sure he has a pretty good idea where he wants to go already, and he'll have a lot of control over where he'll go. No team will pay the trade cost w/o some assurance he'll extend there.

Most likely he heads out west, probably to Denver.

I can understand that Frost’s setbacks have caused you to think the sky is falling, but why Cam York?

What’s been your concern with him?
- Hesh_

Size and the position....
Don't think he can withstand the NHL pounding in the corners.
He does have great first outlet pass ability hope that mitigates his punishment.

I can understand that Frost’s setbacks have caused you to think the sky is falling, but why Cam York?

What’s been your concern with him?
- Hesh_

Size and the position....
Don't think he can withstand the NHL pounding in the corners.
He does have great first outlet pass ability hope that mitigates his punishment.

Jones probably isn't Norris-trophy-level good, but he's still easily better than everybody currently on the Flyers blueline.

With that said, I'm sure he has a pretty good idea where he wants to go already, and he'll have a lot of control over where he'll go. No team will pay the trade cost w/o some assurance he'll extend there.

Most likely he heads out west, probably to Denver.
- Tomahawk

How do they fit him in in the salary cap? Mackinnon and Makar will be due for monster raises soon.
Indeed, do they even need him, with Makar being their 1st pairing RHD?

G isn't a moron, he knows he is not going to get 8.275 aav in his next deal.....from anyone, let alone the Flyers.

If he wants to stay here and win, he will take a reasonable deal from the team. Somewhere between 5 and 6 aav. And I see a 3 or 4 year deal depending on the AAV. Coots will be getting north of 7, somewhere between 7 and 8 aav for 4 to 6 years.

These are just guesses of course, but based on what deals I have seen given out by this team over the past few years, they both seem reasonable for both sides.
- MBFlyerfan

Well the Flyers are fools if they give him between 5-6 for 3 or 4 years. 2 years 4 million max. Though they will probably give him 5 and 5 knowing how this team operates. He don't care about winning.

You are nuts if you think Couturier wont get at least 8 for the max 8 years with the Flyers. He will not take 4-6 when he full well knows a team will give him 7. This is his last deal. He will not in any way give a a discount. This assumes he even wants to stay as he was non committal when asked I believe.

I can understand that Frost’s setbacks have caused you to think the sky is falling, but why Cam York?

What’s been your concern with him?

Is it being named Captain to the gold medal winning American squad at the WJC’s?

Was it being named Big 10 defensemen of the year?

Nobody around the kid seems to have your concerns, so what in particular scares you that he won’t have an NHL career?

Or is it absolutely nothing objective involving York himself, but rather frustration with a bad season that has led you to believe that you can’t have nice things. Expectations not only failing to be met, but falling drastically short.

See, THAT, I actually get.
- Hesh_

I think the shoulder is a problem, although not a dr just play one on here. He is too slight to handle say a center 6'1 -6'2. His engine doesn't seem to run at a high octane, a lot of glide to his game when he doesn't have the puck.
York is a mash up of all...We never get a fuking break with a pick. His size is a concern just due to NHL size dude coming at him shift after shift.

I think the shoulder is a problem, although not a dr just play one on here. He is too slight to handle say a center 6'1 -6'2. His engine doesn't seem to run at a high octane, a lot of glide to his game when he doesn't have the puck.
York is a mash up of all...We never get a fuking break with a pick. His size is a concern just due to NHL size dude coming at him shift after shift.
- konalover711

Sounds like you prefer size, so let me ask this: were you pissed we didn’t choose Cole Caufield and went York instead?

I think Couts is capable of getting max term, and a minimum of $8M AAV on his next deal. Just look at some of the other recent deals given out around the league. I know, I know. COVID, flat cap... I still think that’s the minimum. Would he give the Flyers a discount? Sure, it’s possible. I just wouldn’t bank on it considering how much money he left in the table with his last deal. That, coupled with the state of this franchise, and I wouldn’t be giving any discounts on my last big contract to stay here for the rest of my prime.

If G decides he wants to be here to see this thing through, I think he wants a minimum of 5 years & $5M AAV. I’d expect the number to be more like $5.5M. In recent years, what tenured captain with his resume has signed a deal for less than $5M AAV? Now if he decides he wants to try to latch on to a contender to chase a cup, then I could definitely see his next contract being for less money and/or term. But if it’s here, I see 5x5 as the minimum. Just my opinions. And at those amounts as the best case scenario, they’d still be slightly higher than a swap of their current deals.

I can't really think of anyone on this team I wouldn't listen to a trade offer for.

Kind of weird to type that out.

Nobody should be untouchable after the season we just had.

Got to unload somebody, you know? We're going to lose one guy to Seattle, but still, make me an offer.

Let Sanheim walk.
Let Patrick walk.

Open season on everyone else with the exception of Couturier and Provorov.

How do they fit him in in the salary cap? Mackinnon and Makar will be due for monster raises soon.
Indeed, do they even need him, with Makar being their 1st pairing RHD?
- PT21

They're probably gonna lose a good dman in expansion.

And Makar and Jones would both anchor their own pairings.

I expect it to be somewhat of a swapping of cap hits myself, maybe G a little higher than what Coots is now but all in all a slight increase in total between the two.
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, that has been my general thought as well.

Well the Flyers are fools if they give him between 5-6 for 3 or 4 years. 2 years 4 million max. Though they will probably give him 5 and 5 knowing how this team operates. He don't care about winning.

You are nuts if you think Couturier wont get at least 8 for the max 8 years with the Flyers. He will not take 4-6 when he full well knows a team will give him 7. This is his last deal. He will not in any way give a a discount. This assumes he even wants to stay as he was non committal when asked I believe.
- hello it's me 2050

You are probably right about Coots. And just as wrong with Giroux. That offer would be an insult.

I can't really think of anyone on this team I wouldn't listen to a trade offer for.

Kind of weird to type that out.

Nobody should be untouchable after the season we just had.

Got to unload somebody, you know? We're going to lose one guy to Seattle, but still, make me an offer.

Let Sanheim walk.
Let Patrick walk.

Open season on everyone else with the exception of Couturier and Provorov.
- Nh_kong

They're probably gonna lose a good dman in expansion.

And Makar and Jones would both anchor their own pairings.
- Tomahawk

Hmm. My guess would be Boston.

I honestly don't know why he would want to come here. The fact that he let CBJ know so early and never started contract negotiations likely means he wants to go to a contender and its not about the money. He must see Philly is not a contender in the indefinite future.