If I’m Columbus I take your deal
Immediately!!!!
Seth Jones is without question one of the top 5 most over rated D in the league and his next contract will be regretted by the team who makes it ridiculously fast.

When we first traded for Nisky most people here hated the trade. Labeled him done and Fletcher was ripped for making the trade. Lol

Yet Core of

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares ,Reilly, Campbell is 1 game away from being eliminated by MTL

Would you rather have a core of:

Eichel, Olloffsson, Reinhart, Skinner, Dahlin

You could argue that core might be better yet they havent made the playoffs since 2011
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Fyers core right now isn't close to being good enough to contend for a Stanley Cup. Nothing else matters.

When we first traded for Nisky most people here hated the trade. Labeled him done and Fletcher was ripped for making the trade. Lol
- arichardson22

Well he played one season for the Flyers and retired at 33. So the trade didn't accomplish much in the end did it?

Would like to seethe flyers pursue a OEL and Kessel trade for Jake Ghost picks/prospects. Would be a good deal for both imo.

Would like to seethe flyers pursue a OEL and Kessel trade for Jake Ghost picks/prospects. Would be a good deal for both imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Both Kessel and OEL have NMC clauses. Kessel has a modified where he could submit 8 teams. We will still have to move more salary to fit them even with Ghost and Jake going the other way.

I'm going to get eaten alive for this but what about Weber.....Not sure of the specifics but when (and its likely to be WHEN) he retires early that cap hit is going against Nashville and not who owns him, as Nashville signed that contract (technically Matched) but for a big, stay at home, RH tough D man, He may have lost his step but we may not need him to have it, I only saw a few games these playoffs and the Montreal fans seem to be polarized with him Some love him some say he's Montreals version of Andy Mac.

RE: Flyers having an "aging core"

the PREVIOUS core of this team has aged, and is no longer the real core of the team

by previous core I mean guys like Giroux (33), Voracek (31) and the departed Simmonds (32)

the new core of this team is not old:

Hagg- 26
Sanheim - 25
Morin - 25
Provorov - 24
Myers - 24

Couturier - 28
Laughton - 27
Konecny - 24
Lindblom - 24
Patrick - 22
Farabee - 21

Hart - 22

Frost and York are knocking on the door too

Both Kessel and OEL have NMC clauses. Kessel has a modified where he could submit 8 teams. We will still have to move more salary to fit them even with Ghost and Jake going the other way.
- MBFlyerfan

Not sure Kessel still has a NMC since he was traded. Anyway why would either one want to stay? Granted neither one may not want to come to Philly.

Kessel 6.8 + OEL 8.25 = 15.05

Jake 8.25 + Ghost 4.5 = 12. 75.

Not much of a diff salary wise; don't see that being a big obstacle in any way. Arizona can also retain 2 million cap hit on Kessel if need be.

RE: Flyers having an "aging core"

the PREVIOUS core of this team has aged, and is no longer the real core of the team

by previous core I mean guys like Giroux (33), Voracek (31) and the departed Simmonds (32)

the new core of this team is not old:

Hagg- 26
Sanheim - 25
Morin - 25
Provorov - 24
Myers - 24

Couturier - 28
Laughton - 27
Konecny - 24
Lindblom - 24
Patrick - 22
Farabee - 21

Hart - 22

Frost and York are knocking on the door too
- Coburns_Nose

Looks like just an average roster really. Maybe slightly above. Also age is not the big issue. Its the amount of seasons under their belt. Sean is only 28; young age. Not so much mileage wise.

Not sure Kessel has a NMC since he was traded. Anyway why would either one want to stay? Granted neither one may not want to come to Philly.

Kessel 6.8 + OEL 8.25 = 15.05

Jake 8.25 + Ghost 4.5 = 12. 75.

Not much of a diff salary wise; don't see that being a big obstacle in any way. Arizona can also retain 2 million cap hit on Kessel if need be.
- hello it's me 2050

I can only go by what Cap Friendly says.

I'm going to get eaten alive for this but what about Weber.....Not sure of the specifics but when (and its likely to be WHEN) he retires early that cap hit is going against Nashville and not who owns him, as Nashville signed that contract (technically Matched) but for a big, stay at home, RH tough D man, He may have lost his step but we may not need him to have it, I only saw a few games these playoffs and the Montreal fans seem to be polarized with him Some love him some say he's Montreals version of Andy Mac.
- GPerogie

I threw this idea out on here about a month & a half ago, but didn't get much feedback. I proposed G to MTL for Weber with MTL retaining $1.25M of his contract for the remainder on the contract. This eliminates the risk of signing G to a potentially regrettable new deal. Gets a change in leadership (and hopefully culture). Gets Provy a right-handed partner. Pairing Weber with Provy puts him in a spot where he's not being asked to be the man at his age. With the salary retention, Weber would be $6.6M. And hopefully by the later years of the deal, we have other guys on the backend that are ready for larger rolls and Weber is not asked to be anything more than a complimentary piece. Didn't watch any of him this season, but I thought he looked pretty good against us in the playoff bubble.

But you're right, a lot of the posters on the MTL board say he is completely cooked. So it might be a bad idea.

I threw this idea out on here about a month & a half ago, but didn't get much feedback. I proposed G to MTL for Weber with MTL retaining $1.25M of his contract for the remainder on the contract. This eliminates the risk of signing G to a potentially regrettable new deal. Gets a change in leadership (and hopefully culture). Gets Provy a right-handed partner. Pairing Weber with Provy puts him in a spot where he's not being asked to be the man at his age. With the salary retention, Weber would be $6.6M. And hopefully by the later years of the deal, we have other guys on the backend that are ready for larger rolls and Weber is not asked to be anything more than a complimentary piece. Didn't watch any of him this season, but I thought he looked pretty good against us in the playoff bubble.

But you're right, a lot of the posters on the MTL board say he is completely cooked. So it might be a bad idea.
- Big_E_88

I thought the same thing. Could be our next Pronger. I also thought about Karlsson maybe for Voracek +, with SJ retaining some salary. It would be a good way for SJ to get out of that contract if they want to rebuild/reload.

Would like to seethe flyers pursue a OEL and Kessel trade for Jake Ghost picks/prospects. Would be a good deal for both imo.
- hello it's me 2050

No thank you.

I'm going to get eaten alive for this but what about Weber.....Not sure of the specifics but when (and its likely to be WHEN) he retires early that cap hit is going against Nashville and not who owns him, as Nashville signed that contract (technically Matched) but for a big, stay at home, RH tough D man, He may have lost his step but we may not need him to have it, I only saw a few games these playoffs and the Montreal fans seem to be polarized with him Some love him some say he's Montreals version of Andy Mac.
- GPerogie

No thank you.

Yet Core of

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares ,Reilly, Campbell is 1 game away from being eliminated by MTL



- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You don't mean JT there: they really miss him and as you know, he was injured in game 1 itself.

Toronto D sucks.

I thought the same thing. Could be our next Pronger. I also thought about Karlsson maybe for Voracek +, with SJ retaining some salary. It would be a good way for SJ to get out of that contract if they want to rebuild/reload.
- flyer4ever75

Personally, I think this team desperately needs a more defensive-minded Dman than Karlsson. And his offensive numbers haven't even been that great since signing that deal, right? Even with SJ retaining some salary that contract would still be too rich for my blood. Weber's AAV is too high, but it's a number that I feel could be realistically negotiated down to a reasonable amount through salary retention

Jones, who will turn 27 in October, is coming off back-to-back down seasons from an analytics standpoint and even some primary stats.
- bmeltzer

I am one of the bigger fans of SJ here, but I have to confess, the stats make me pause. His advanced stats are abysmal in the playoffs.

I do think however that the advanced stats (and Norris voting) tend to have a bias in favor of guys like the Karlsson paradigm. Guys whose strength is defense will tend to have relatively lower Corsis. However, it is possible that the shots they are giving up are more perimeter shots. There should be an advanced stat that computes shot differentials based only on medium and high danger chances, or even just the last.

(This issue often comes up when we compare Ghost to Hagg for example).

Would like to seethe flyers pursue a OEL and Kessel trade for Jake Ghost picks/prospects. Would be a good deal for both imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Hard pass on OEL -17 and the kesselrun.


OEL days behind him.

I threw this idea out on here about a month & a half ago, but didn't get much feedback. I proposed G to MTL for Weber with MTL retaining $1.25M of his contract for the remainder on the contract. This eliminates the risk of signing G to a potentially regrettable new deal. Gets a change in leadership (and hopefully culture). Gets Provy a right-handed partner. Pairing Weber with Provy puts him in a spot where he's not being asked to be the man at his age. With the salary retention, Weber would be $6.6M. And hopefully by the later years of the deal, we have other guys on the backend that are ready for larger rolls and Weber is not asked to be anything more than a complimentary piece. Didn't watch any of him this season, but I thought he looked pretty good against us in the playoff bubble.

But you're right, a lot of the posters on the MTL board say he is completely cooked. So it might be a bad idea.
- Big_E_88

In what universe would Giroux accept that trade? I think you forget that Giroux has a Full NTC/NMC, and has stated many times I would like to end his career here in Philly.. also I will pass on that as trading G makes our team worse not better.

In what universe would Giroux accept that trade? I think you forget that Giroux has a Full NTC/NMC, and has stated many times I would like to end his career here in Philly.. also I will pass on that as trading G makes our team worse not better.
- Elvathadrin

They all say that kind of stuff. What else would you expect him to say? You don't think that management asking him to waive his NMC would be motivation enough for him to do so? They'd basically be telling their captain who's been hear for 10+ years that we don't want you anymore. Why would G want to stay after that?

Jones is not worth 2 first round picks and what would have been one if he developed a little quicker. Howev4r if signng him eeps them fro resigning Cout then it might be worth it

Personally, I think this team desperately needs a more defensive-minded Dman than Karlsson. And his offensive numbers haven't even been that great since signing that deal, right? Even with SJ retaining some salary that contract would still be too rich for my blood. Weber's AAV is too high, but it's a number that I feel could be realistically negotiated down to a reasonable amount through salary retention
- Big_E_88

It would definitely be a risk taking that contract, but he is only 31 (tomorrow). If he wasn't relied on to do everything like he was in Ottawa, and was healthy I think he could be great with Provorov. He could QB the PP which I think Provorov isn't suited for.

Of course it could be argued that he has help in SJ with Burns and Vlasic and still isn't doing well - he may just be done.

Looks like just an average roster really. Maybe slightly above. Also age is not the big issue. Its the amount of seasons under their belt. Sean is only 28; young age. Not so much mileage wise.
- hello it's me 2050

Philly has at the 6th youngest roster in the league

skinner isnt part of that core.

Eichel Dahlin Reinhart Cozens Risto imo. I take that over the Flyers. The Leafs if they lose will need to 100% shake up that core.
- hello it's me 2050

Wound not include Reinhart and Risto, maybe not even eichel for now.

Core will be
Dahlin, Quinn, Cozens and whatever they get from trading those 3. Maybe add Luukkonen and Mittelstad (assuming he has figured it out)