I suppose and Agree somewhat. But to me the players need to focus on what happens on the ice. They may not like Benning or FA or the current direction of the club, but it's up to them to change it the best they can with what's given to them on the ice.. The poop show that was Melnyk and Ottawa looks to be turning around...let's see what the Sedins and Courtnall can bring to the table. I'm sure FA is setting up something for the next year or two to move on from Benning if things don't improve...and as many think here Green is not the problem.
- LordHumungous

totally agree on all points except i think green is the wrong coach for this team. i do think he'll do better with a different club (if/when he gets the opportunity.)

i agree that the players should be focused on what happens on the ice and not whine or make excuses off the ice. they should stick up for each other on the ice ffs and i'm not just saying that about Bo. it's a team mentality but you're right that it should start with the captain.

i just think that (and i've been saying this term a lot) the "team's culture," is fcuked. it starts at the top and works its way down. FA is a problem but there is no strong force or leadership personality that can counteract him.

that weakness works its way down imo.

The more picks you have that have a higher value, would equal more quality. To get a higher value pick though, you are most likely having to give up current actual value to your hockey club.

If you draft and miss. That's a huge value loss to your hockey club, for years.
- manvanfan

and this is what should have been the mentality from the beginning.

i'd rather they had failed by getting lots of picks and drafting rather than failing by trying to compete through trades and signings which is what happened.

you dont need math to know that you have higher odds of getting more NHL players with more picks..

the underlined part has more to do with good vs bad drafting than it does more vs less picks.

and for the last part, you can have both.
- Codes1087

You can certainly have both but what is the cost of getting more picks? Giving up NHL talent for a less than 25% you will recoup that value back.

and this is what should have been the mentality from the beginning.

i'd rather they had failed by getting lots of picks and drafting rather than failing by trying to compete through trades and signings which is what happened.
- RealityChecker

What value did Van have that was willing to move since the beginning? Very little.

What value did Van have that was willing to move since the beginning? Very little.
- manvanfan

how many players were traded that had NMC's/NTC's that had actually said they weren't willing to move? more than a little.

and keeping cap space to take bad contracts plus picks would have been possible had they not kept signing players to overpriced contracts.

https://media.nhl.com/public/news/14983

NHL central scouting rankings

Wow Ruby. NA skaters.

how many players were traded that had NMC's/NTC's that had actually said they weren't willing to move? more than a little.

and keeping cap space to take bad contracts plus picks would have been possible had they not kept signing players to overpriced contracts.
- RealityChecker

Add to that the trading away of picks for players (Baer, Vey, etc) that was moving the team in the opposite direction. Plus, with enough foresight and tact, signing some vets and pumping and dumping them for picks.

how many players were traded that had NMC's/NTC's that had actually said they weren't willing to move? more than a little.

and keeping cap space to take bad contracts plus picks would have been possible had they not kept signing players to overpriced contracts.
- RealityChecker

You talk as if this was on the table for Benning. I don't think it was.

You can certainly have both but what is the cost of getting more picks? Giving up NHL talent for a less than 25% you will recoup that value back.
- manvanfan

There isn't a formula for this.

Look at mantha (8pts in 14 games) for vrana(11pts in 11 games) and a 1st.
Look at gudbranson for McCann and 2nd(hasn't played an NHL game yet) and 4th (Riley Stillman, Dman, 6 pts in 56 games).
Look at baertschi for a 2nd (Rasmus anderson)

It's about being good at both ends of making trades and making good on those draft picks.

Add to that the trading away of picks for players (Baer, Vey, etc) that was moving the team in the opposite direction. Plus, with enough foresight and tact, signing some vets and pumping and dumping them for picks.
- NewYorkNuck

Is that similar to flip picks?

You talk as if this was on the table for Benning. I don't think it was.
- manvanfan

here's what i don't like: assuming that the bad decisions aren't made by the GM.

it's a convenient way to give credit for all the good (petey, QH - that was for reuby ) but dismiss the bad (signings and trades.)

Add to that the trading away of picks for players (Baer, Vey, etc) that was moving the team in the opposite direction. Plus, with enough foresight and tact, signing some vets and pumping and dumping them for picks.
- NewYorkNuck

less than an average of 7 picks per draft since he's been here.

did not draft a Dman in the year he had the most picks (9).

less than an average of 7 picks per draft since he's been here.

did not draft a Dman in the year he had the most picks (9).
- RealityChecker

He's learning, patience.

He's learning, patience.
- Marwood

I'm glad everyone's learning together

I'm glad everyone's learning together
- NewYorkNuck

I'm learning that a good GM needs 15-20 years for a proper rebuild. Closer to 20 years for a whiny fanbase due to the negativity.

https://media.nhl.com/public/news/14983

NHL central scouting rankings

Wow Ruby. NA skaters.
- manvanfan

What's interesting is the difference if you compare this to Bob McKenzie's list. Bob's is still the mid season rankings. I think there may be a lot of early surprises in this draft.

https://www.tsn.ca/owen-p...-draft-rankings-1.1626057

I'm learning that a good GM needs 15-20 years for a proper rebuild. Closer to 20 years for a whiny fanbase due to the negativity.
- Marwood

Good to know the Canucks are finally turning the corner of the late 90s Mark Messier rebuild

here's what i don't like: assuming that the bad decisions aren't made by the GM.

it's a convenient way to give credit for all the good (petey, QH - that was for reuby ) but dismiss the bad (signings and trades.)
- RealityChecker

Seems to me, a lot more credit for the bad on here. Who's the avs head of amateur scouting?! Sakic deserves no credit guys

What's interesting is the difference if you compare this to Bob McKenzie's list. Bob's is still the mid season rankings. I think there may be a lot of early surprises in this draft.

https://www.tsn.ca/owen-p...-draft-rankings-1.1626057
- VanHockeyGuy

Bound to be a ton of surprises. u18s I think had a lot to do with it. Same with the players that had a chance to play and more play in men's leagues's.

What's interesting is the difference if you compare this to Bob McKenzie's list. Bob's is still the mid season rankings. I think there may be a lot of early surprises in this draft.

https://www.tsn.ca/owen-p...-draft-rankings-1.1626057
- VanHockeyGuy

It's all over the map! Kent Johnson seems like petey a bit in this draft. North van kid!

It's all over the map! Kent Johnson seems like petey a bit in this draft. North van kid!
- neem55

I wouldn't have a problem with William Eklund. It's pretty much Hoglander with more speed.

Bound to be a ton of surprises. u18s I think had a lot to do with it. Same with the players that had a chance to play and more play in men's leagues's.
- manvanfan

Brandt Clarke may be available when VAN picks.

totally agree on all points except i think green is the wrong coach for this team. i do think he'll do better with a different club (if/when he gets the opportunity.)

i agree that the players should be focused on what happens on the ice and not whine or make excuses off the ice. they should stick up for each other on the ice ffs and i'm not just saying that about Bo. it's a team mentality but you're right that it should start with the captain.

i just think that (and i've been saying this term a lot) the "team's culture," is fcuked. it starts at the top and works its way down. FA is a problem but there is no strong force or leadership personality that can counteract him.

that weakness works its way down imo.
- RealityChecker

Correct on pretty much all counts here but I am willing to give Green the shot with a better healthy roster. He showed he wasn't getting out-coached in Po's last season with a decent roster at his disposal. It can translate to the regular season he just needs the opportunity IMO. The big 'step forward' next season lol

Brandt Clarke may be available when VAN picks.
- VanHockeyGuy

Brandt Clarke may be available when VAN picks.
- VanHockeyGuy

Excellent choice and I say if Hughes is not available go with Clarke.