don't need to play the game in order to know that to lead the league in points over several seasons, as you've said giroux did, you couldn't possibly be labeled as "not a good hockey player." you just come off as a moron when you say things like that. can't take anything else you say seriously.
- Ftown19125

Offensively: B
Defense: C
Physicality: F
Faceoffs: A
Leadership: F

Please tell me what that averages out to be?

Offensively: B
Defense: C
Physicality: F
Faceoffs: A
Leadership: F

Please tell me what that averages out to be?
- Fopa21

you forgot effort

He’s a good offense hockey player but not a good complete hockey player but I wouldn’t expect you to understand the difference
- Fopa21

you've already been wrong multiple times since you started posting. why stop now?

you forgot effort
- bradster

no, hustle.

you forgot effort
- bradster

We can group that in with leadership. Don’t want the average grade to fall any lower

Was following up on yesterday's discussion on dollars/point of leading players. I looked at lifetime earnings of star players. Chose a few at random, centering around those who have been on the league 15 odd years and are still playing, and concentrating only on regular season.

Guys, guess who has given the largest bang for the buck or best value for the money to a franchise.



EDIT (correction):


- PT21

That makes sense.

That makes sense.

- NC Flyers Fan

I think i count a total of 13 cups on that list. Guess who doesn’t contribute to that total?

That makes sense.

- NC Flyers Fan

this is awesome if we are judging the past. Claude was great and is good, but we need to look ahead too.

Hahahhah to this. If you only knew
- Fopa21

Oh here we go. Another expert insider.

this is awesome if we are judging the past. Claude was great and is good, but we need to look ahead too.
- bradster

Upgrades and adjustments to the team have to be made this offseason. Giroux is now a very fine complementary veteran and no matter what new poster says, he is the best choice for captain next season.

Oh here we go. Another expert insider.

- MBFlyerfan

No insider but I did get paid to the play the game so I think I have a bit of an insight & see things in a different way. I’m not proclaiming to be the greatest hockey player I was never close to playing in the NHL & I made peanuts but I was pretty successful relatively speaking & was able to do it for 7 years at a level few people make it to

this is awesome if we are judging the past. Claude was great and is good, but we need to look ahead too.
- bradster

uhhh for the exercise they're doing, you can only judge the past. you can't do it on points they haven't gotten yet and money they didn't earn yet.

No insider but I did get paid to the play the game so I think I have a bit of an insight & see things in a different way. I’m not proclaiming to be the greatest hockey player I was never close to playing in the NHL & I made peanuts but I was pretty successful relatively speaking & was able to do it for 7 years at a level few people make it to
- Fopa21

who did you play for and what is your name so we can look your stats up?

uhhh for the exercise they're doing, you can only judge the past. you can't do it on points they haven't gotten yet and money they didn't earn yet.
- Ftown19125

or maybe judge the last 2-3 years instead of going back 10. it does no good comparing how 2 guys did 8 years ago

who did you play for and what is your name so we can look your stats up?
- Ftown19125

Hahaha I’m not that email screename guy

Hahaha I’m not that email screename guy
- Fopa21

then we can assume you're lying.

Was following up on yesterday's discussion on dollars/point of leading players. I looked at lifetime earnings of star players. Chose a few at random, centering around those who have been on the league 15 odd years and are still playing, and concentrating only on regular season.

Guys, guess who has given the largest bang for the buck or best value for the money to a franchise.



EDIT (correction):


- PT21

Doesn't that kind of analysis heavily favor any player who spent time under a bridge contract? Everybody on that list except for Giroux jumped straight from ELC to beaucoup bucks.

Crosby also penalized for missing all that time earlier in his career. Otherwise he'd probably be up there w/ G.

(Not disagreeing that G has provided phenomenal value)

then we can assume you're lying.
- Ftown19125

You can but you would be wrong

You can but you would be wrong
- Fopa21

yeah i used to play for money too then.

Doesn't that kind of analysis heavily favor any player who spent time under a bridge contract? Everybody on that list except for Giroux jumped straight from ELC to beaucoup bucks.

Crosby also penalized for missing all that time earlier in his career. Otherwise he'd probably be up there w/ G.

(Not disagreeing that G has provided phenomenal value)
- Tomahawk

Not necessarily. The player got a bridge contract for a reason. It was believed that was his value. If he over-performed that bridge contract, then he should receive credit for this purpose.


Yes to Crosby, and Stamkos. But again, it could be argued that ppg penalizes longevity, and Giroux should receive credit for longevity and durability. Its not his fault that Crosby and Bergeron received conkies and Stamkos injured his lower body so frequently.

Only graded skaters that played 40 or more games and goalies who started 20 or more games. 18 Flyers received grades, but there was no A’s or F’s, totally mediocre. Of course, team results and teammates can affect a score but I attempted to give the average of each individual. For example, JVR exceeded my expectations for the beginning weeks of the season and fell below expectations during times in the second half of the season. Some guys are up and down game by game and others had hot and cold stretches; I used the average.

Obviously, this isn’t a talent level evaluation. If someone appears higher or lower by far than you think, maybe I think they were capable of more than you think under the known circumstances or maybe I saw something in their game differently than your observations.

A = Exceeded expectations
B = Met expectations
C = Below expectations
D = Far below expectations
F = Failed to register on the chart

B+ — Giroux, Farabee
B — JVR, Provorov
B- — Braun, Laughton

C+ — Couturier, Voracek, Ghost
C — Lindblom, Elliott
C- — TK, NAK, Hart

D+ — Sanheim, Patrick
D — Myers
D- — Hayes
- NC Flyers Fan

You know what jumps out from this grading scheme based on what you say they are based on?

That you believe Patrick is finished.

yeah i used to play for money too then.
- Ftown19125

FHL (FPHL)122 47 95 142 1.16 67

ECHL4 1 0 1 0.25 0

AAHL37 13 30 43 1.16 32

Gp G A Points Ppg Pim

Not necessarily. The player got a bridge contract for a reason. It was believed that was his value. If he over-performed that bridge contract, then he should receive credit for this purpose.


Yes to Crosby, and Stamkos. But again, it could be argued that ppg penalizes longevity, and Giroux should receive credit for longevity and durability. Its not his fault that Crosby and Bergeron received conkies and Stamkos injured his lower body so frequently.
- PT21

I personally weight my evaluations by durability because a player isn’t helping his team when he isn’t playing. Not that missing time is always avoidable but to me a good track record of availability adds value.

FHL (FPHL)122 47 95 142 1.16 67

ECHL4 1 0 1 0.25 0

AAHL37 13 30 43 1.16 32

Gp G A Points Ppg Pim
- Fopa21

this proves that you can copy a stat line from the internet.

i can make up anything i want too, dude. you serious?

You know what jumps out from this grading scheme based on what you say they are based on?

That you believe Patrick is finished.
- PT21

No, it should say to you that I believed he was capable of performing at a much higher level then he actually did on average even under the circumstances.