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wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 13 @ 12:37 PM ET
No, just have 18 different logins.
- MBFlyerfan



good to know
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 13 @ 12:38 PM ET
lol ovechkin got knocked for not playing defense for years. what are you talking about?
- Ftown19125



Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 13 @ 12:40 PM ET
The way you make it sound, youd think G begged to be the Captain, and now you blame him for not being a good captain. Whos your recommendation to wear the C and A's?
- bradster


who cares what his recommendations are? the fact that he said he isn't a good hockey player makes him clueless. he has no idea what he's talking about.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 13 @ 12:40 PM ET

- Tomahawk


Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 12:42 PM ET
The way you make it sound, youd think G begged to be the Captain, and now you blame him for not being a good captain. Whos your recommendation to wear the C and A's?
- bradster


I’ve said it before I don’t blame G for being given the C. It’s organizational failure. & there is no one currently on this roster that should be a captain which again goes back to organization failure. I don’t blame G for being the C but it’s apparent the job doesn’t fit him & it’s time for a change
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 12:44 PM ET
who cares what his recommendations are? the fact that he said he isn't a good hockey player makes him clueless. he has no idea what he's talking about.
- Ftown19125


Good hockey players don’t go over half the season without getting a point. It just means he doesn’t show up in over half the games go 5 or 6 games in a row workout a point then will get 3 points in one game
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 13 @ 12:47 PM ET
Not really a head scratcher. Kevin Hayes was a UFA and was signed by the Flyers on the open market. NMC was probably a requirement for him to sign with any team.

Unless you are referring to the question of signing Hayes altogether, which is a valid criticism. In my opinion, it was a move made by Fletcher because he was forced to by Dave Scott. Resources are to be maximized for a playoff push. Signing a Kevin Hayes doesn't move the needle enough for me to push the team to the cap.

- StepfordSam


Hayes never hit the open market, tho. He signed his deal in June.

Would some other team have been willing to match 7x7+NMC AND be a place that Hayes wanted to go? Duchene got 7x8 w/o a NMC and he's (was) a better player than Hayes. Pavelski got a NMC but only signed for 3-years. So hard to say.

Maybe the Flyers were negotiating against themselves again, like they did on Bryz and Amac.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 13 @ 12:49 PM ET
Good hockey players don’t go over half the season without getting a point. It just means he doesn’t show up in over half the games go 5 or 6 games in a row workout a point then will get 3 points in one game
- Fopa21



Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 13 @ 12:49 PM ET
Good hockey players don’t go over half the season without getting a point. It just means he doesn’t show up in over half the games go 5 or 6 games in a row workout a point then will get 3 points in one game
- Fopa21


since he came into the league he's 8th in points. bad hockey player.

oh i forgot, we can't use stats as our argument, just speculate on how bad a leader he is when we have no clue.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 13 @ 12:51 PM ET
Those of you who are awarding Couturier, Giroux, Voracek and JVR grades less than in the A range, is it because you are judging them relative to absolute standards or what they can individually produce?

If the latter, may I humbly suggest that there is overwhelming evidence you are misguided? Couturier was on track on roughly match his career best. JVR was on track to exceed it. Giroux and Voracek were on track for about the same stats as last year.

In fact, compared to last year, here is how they stack up this year:

Couturier: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats.
Voracek: ppg much better, ES possession stats about the same
JVR: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats
Roo: slightly better ppg, much better ES possession stats.

A data set that has 50+ games over 2 seasons for 4 players is not "part of reality." Gentlemen, I am afraid it is all of it. If you consider these players to have had B seasons, I am afraid it is because they are B players.
wbroudy
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 06.30.2007

May 13 @ 12:51 PM ET
Who even are these Canadian players? The defense? Our two best players were Canadian in G and Coots.
- ClaudeFather


patrick
konecny
sanheim
myers
laughton
aube kubel


arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

May 13 @ 12:54 PM ET
Where’s MJL when you need him? He would handle Fopa lol
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 13 @ 12:54 PM ET
Those of you who are awarding Couturier, Giroux, Voracek and JVR grades less than in the A range, is it because you are judging them relative to absolute standards or what they can individually produce?

If the latter, may I humbly suggest that there is overwhelming evidence you are misguided? Couturier was on track on roughly match his career best. JVR was on track to exceed it. Giroux and Voracek were on track for about the same stats as last year.

In fact, compared to last year, here is how they stack up this year:

Couturier: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats.
Voracek: ppg much better, ES possession stats about the same
JVR: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats
Roo: slightly better ppg, much better ES possession stats.

A data set that has 50+ games over 2 seasons for 4 players is not "part of reality." Gentlemen, I am afraid it is all of it. If you consider these players to have had B seasons, I am afraid it is because they are B players.

- PT21


SHHHHH, don't let logic enter this board
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 13 @ 12:55 PM ET
Where’s MJL when you need him? He would handle Fopa lol
- arichardson22


funny part is that would worse, quiet is the best solution
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 12:55 PM ET
since he came into the league he's 8th in points. bad hockey player.

oh i forgot, we can't use stats as our argument, just speculate on how bad a leader he is when we have no clue.

- Ftown19125


Don’t need to speculate when you have eyes but lets blame everything else but G
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 13 @ 12:56 PM ET
Don’t need to speculate when you have eyes but lets blame everything else but G
- Fopa21


no one is doing that.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 13 @ 12:56 PM ET
funny part is that would worse, quiet is the best solution
- wcorvette


The trolls here are all very well fed.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 13 @ 12:56 PM ET
patrick
konecny
sanheim
myers
laughton
aube kubel

- wbroudy

Makes the quote from AV look even more insane, granted most of those guys listed sucked but what a quote to throw around .
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 12:57 PM ET
no one is doing that.
- Ftown19125


Everyone wants to throw the young kids under the bus & give G an A or B grade
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 13 @ 12:57 PM ET
The trolls here are all very well fed.
- Tomahawk

There’s too many, you end up biting at some
Point . I prefer this to the alternative where it’s just AVs fault and ghost is still god
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

May 13 @ 12:58 PM ET
I’ve said it before I don’t blame G for being given the C. It’s organizational failure. & there is no one currently on this roster that should be a captain which again goes back to organization failure. I don’t blame G for being the C but it’s apparent the job doesn’t fit him & it’s time for a change
- Fopa21


Then why do you keep roasting him for not being good enough to wear the C?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 13 @ 1:01 PM ET
Those of you who are awarding Couturier, Giroux, Voracek and JVR grades less than in the A range, is it because you are judging them relative to absolute standards or what they can individually produce?

If the latter, may I humbly suggest that there is overwhelming evidence you are misguided? Couturier was on track on roughly match his career best. JVR was on track to exceed it. Giroux and Voracek were on track for about the same stats as last year.

In fact, compared to last year, here is how they stack up this year:

Couturier: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats.
Voracek: ppg much better, ES possession stats about the same
JVR: much better ppg, much better ES possession stats
Roo: slightly better ppg, much better ES possession stats.

A data set that has 50+ games over 2 seasons for 4 players is not "part of reality." Gentlemen, I am afraid it is all of it. If you consider these players to have had B seasons, I am afraid it is because they are B players.

- PT21


I should add: no injuries, no youth factor. Players are all mid career or late career. This is who they are.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 1:01 PM ET
Then why do you keep roasting him for not being good enough to wear the C?
- bradster


Because people keep wanting to throw the kids under the bus. Yes, a lot of them sucked this year but the leadership has been atrocious for years
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 13 @ 1:04 PM ET
Patrick Lindblom sanheim Myers TK NAK were all such great contributors this year , we weren’t counting on them to do well or anything.
- ClaudeFather

If you were expecting big things from freak'n NAK, or Patrick (coming off a missed season due to concussions) or Lindblom (coming back from bone cancer), then you are a bigger idiot than I thought!

At every big moment in games this year, AV rolled out his veteran core players (Ghost, Provorov, G, Jake, Hayes and JVR) and they failed miserably. Overall Farabee might have exceeded expectations of some, Sanheim and TK might have disappointed, but make no mistake, it was the veteran core that let this team down this year!
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

May 13 @ 1:05 PM ET
If were expecting big things from freak'n NAK, or Patrick (coming off a missed season due to concussions) or Lindblom (coming back from bone cancer), then you are a bigger idiot than I thought!

At every big moment in games this year, AV rolled out his veteran core players (Ghost, Provorov, G, Jake, Hayes and JVR) and they failed miserably. Overall Farabee might have exceeded expectations of some, Sanheim and TK might have disappointed, but make no mistake, it was the veteran core that let this team down this year!

- jd250


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