I’m not saying strip him & keep him. I’m just pointing out the obvious that he is not a good leader
- Fopa21

Good for you

initially, I thought it was who you allude to, but i dont think so
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

if it is him, he got even dumber.

One of many head scratchers around the league.
- DraftandDestroy

Not really a head scratcher. Kevin Hayes was a UFA and was signed by the Flyers on the open market. NMC was probably a requirement for him to sign with any team.

Unless you are referring to the question of signing Hayes altogether, which is a valid criticism. In my opinion, it was a move made by Fletcher because he was forced to by Dave Scott. Resources are to be maximized for a playoff push. Signing a Kevin Hayes doesn't move the needle enough for me to push the team to the cap.

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The B tier
Claude Giroux (B+)

Flyers general manager Chuck Fletcher didn’t have a lot of praise to dish out on exit-interview day, but one of his rare bits of positivity was directed at the team’s captain. “If you look at the last couple months, nobody played harder than Claude Giroux,” he said, and it’s difficult to argue with him.

Generally speaking, if a team underachieves to the extent that the Flyers did, fingers are pointed at the team’s leadership — particularly the captain. But anyone who watched the games knows Giroux was doing everything he could to drag this corpse of a team back into playoff contention. Unlike in 2019-20, Giroux actively took over games. He succeeded at center after multiple seasons of dropping off dramatically when forced to skate there. And his advanced metrics at even strength (2.04 points per 60 minutes, plus-0.231 impact on expected goal differential, plus-7.4 impact on shot attempt differential) scream top-line forward.

Giroux may not have won Team MVP (that went to Sean Couturier), but to my eyes, he was the Flyers’ best all-around player. Of course, that was part of the problem — at this point in the Flyers’ timeline, he shouldn’t have to be. He’s not the raw scorer he once was and lacks the dynamism of his youth. But on the ice this year, Giroux more than did his part.

Good for you
- ClaudeFather

are you related to him or something or just don’t want to have to buy a new flyers jersey? Do you have anything negative to say about him at all?

I’m not trying to be a johnson just really don’t understand the unyielding loyalty. I’m not a hater just don’t understand why he seemingly gets passes just because his point production is always near top of team

are you related to him or something or just don’t want to have to buy a new flyers jersey? Do you have anything negative to say about him at all?

I’m not trying to be a johnson just really don’t understand the unyielding loyalty. I’m not a hater just don’t understand why he seemingly gets passes just because his point production is always near top of team
- Fopa21

you said he wasn't a good hockey player. not a hater though. hahahaha

More fighting over the wrong thing.

There is no question that Giroux is no longer in his prime. However, he still is more than capable of being an effective hockey player, ideally on the wing.

What is a fair criticism is that this leadership group, and that includes Giroux, has consistently been guilty of slow starts across many seasons and multiple coaches. There were several games where every player, including Giroux, was not ready to play and that falls squarely on them. It's a fair question as to why it has happened so often with this core leadership group.

It is completely absurd to state that Giroux is not a good hockey player. Especially coming from a Chris Kunitz fanboy.

are you related to him or something or just don’t want to have to buy a new flyers jersey? Do you have anything negative to say about him at all?

I’m not trying to be a johnson just really don’t understand the unyielding loyalty. I’m not a hater just don’t understand why he seemingly gets passes just because his point production is always near top of team
- Fopa21

You’re not a hater haha that’s gold

More fighting over the wrong thing.

There is no question that Giroux is no longer in his prime. However, he still is more than capable of being an effective hockey player, ideally on the wing.

What is a fair criticism is that this leadership group, and that includes Giroux, has consistently been guilty of slow starts across many seasons and multiple coaches. There were several games where every player, including Giroux, was not ready to play and that falls squarely on them. It's a fair question as to why it has happened so often with this core leadership group.

It is completely absurd to state that Giroux is not a good hockey player. Especially coming from a Chris Kunitz fanboy.
- StepfordSam

craziest part is admitting he led the league in points over quite a few seasons, then basically saying he sucks at hockey. i don't know how dumb you have to be to say those two things in the same post.

You’re not a hater haha that’s gold
- ClaudeFather

Haha being real is a hater. That’s genius

All you care about is stats then cuz he does nothing else

I agree with Bill's list. It just sucks because JVR and Voracek are good players. The idea of just giving them away rubs me the wrong way. Obviously if this is the case Fletcher needs to have a plan in place to replace either one because I dont know if anyone of the young guns are going to step up next season

More fighting over the wrong thing.

There is no question that Giroux is no longer in his prime. However, he still is more than capable of being an effective hockey player, ideally on the wing.

What is a fair criticism is that this leadership group, and that includes Giroux, has consistently been guilty of slow starts across many seasons and multiple coaches. There were several games where every player, including Giroux, was not ready to play and that falls squarely on them. It's a fair question as to why it has happened so often with this core leadership group.

It is completely absurd to state that Giroux is not a good hockey player. Especially coming from a Chris Kunitz fanboy.
- StepfordSam

Yup he’s certainly apart of the slow start problem, been going on for a long time and him Jake and coots are the common denominators

Haha being real is a hater. That’s genius

All you care about is stats then cuz he does nothing else
- Fopa21

You’re right he does nothing else, never good on face offs, asked to switch positions and he put up a big stink about it and complained to the media

You’re right he does nothing else, never good on face offs, asked to switch positions and he put up a big stink about it and complained to the media
- ClaudeFather

Haha the fact that your defense is he switched positions without a stink about him not doing anything is amazing

I agree with Bill's list. It just sucks because JVR and Voracek are good players. The idea of just giving them away rubs me the wrong way. Obviously if this is the case Fletcher needs to have a plan in place to replace either one because I dont know if anyone of the young guns are going to step up next season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

for sure. the positive is they will have the cap space to try to improve the team, no guarantee that works out though.

I agree with Bill's list. It just sucks because JVR and Voracek are good players. The idea of just giving them away rubs me the wrong way. Obviously if this is the case Fletcher needs to have a plan in place to replace either one because I dont know if anyone of the young guns are going to step up next season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Likely wouldn’t be giving it away for free. You’d actually have to throw in something else to make it worth their while

You’re right he does nothing else, never good on face offs, asked to switch positions and he put up a big stink about it and complained to the media
- ClaudeFather

faceoff percentage is a stat, man. he already said you can't use stats as your argument. he does nothing else but statz.

Not really a head scratcher. Kevin Hayes was a UFA and was signed by the Flyers on the open market. NMC was probably a requirement for him to sign with any team.

Unless you are referring to the question of signing Hayes altogether, which is a valid criticism. In my opinion, it was a move made by Fletcher because he was forced to by Dave Scott. Resources are to be maximized for a playoff push. Signing a Kevin Hayes doesn't move the needle enough for me to push the team to the cap.
- StepfordSam

Hayes NMC changes after this next season from full NM to a list of 12 teams he cant be traded to. He wanted to insulate himself from the expansion draft and the Flyers accommodated it as part of getting him to sign here.

You’re right he does nothing else, never good on face offs, asked to switch positions and he put up a big stink about it and complained to the media
- ClaudeFather

Lets look at some of the “worst players” on the flyers:

Justin Braun: old & slow but blocks shots, defense first, valuable on pk, was a plus player this season
NAK: dumb penalties but physical, has speed, underrated shot, blocks shots
Patrick: well he just stinks
Lindblom: blocks shots, goes to dirty areas, attempts to be physical, responsible defensively

Those players are below average NHL players but all at least bring multiple things to the table outside of patrick.

Now G: puts up points, good on face offs

Do you see how that is a problem

Lets look at some of the “worst players” on the flyers:

Justin Braun: old & slow but blocks shots, defense first, valuable on pk, was a plus player this season
NAK: dumb penalties but physical, has speed, underrated shot, blocks shots
Patrick: well he just stinks
Lindblom: blocks shots, goes to dirty areas, attempts to be physical, responsible defensively

Those players are below average NHL players but all at least bring multiple things to the table outside of patrick.

Now G: puts up points, good on face offs

Do you see how that is a problem
- Fopa21

Yes, I see that your are either completely delusional or a terrible troll

Lets look at some of the “worst players” on the flyers:

Justin Braun: old & slow but blocks shots, defense first, valuable on pk, was a plus player this season
NAK: dumb penalties but physical, has speed, underrated shot, blocks shots
Patrick: well he just stinks
Lindblom: blocks shots, goes to dirty areas, attempts to be physical, responsible defensively

Those players are below average NHL players but all at least bring multiple things to the table outside of patrick.

Now G: puts up points, good on face offs

Do you see how that is a problem
- Fopa21

he blocked 6 shots. add shot blocking to his resume and shut up.

Yes, I see that your are either completely delusional or a terrible troll
- ClaudeFather

Delusional?

Does he playe defense?
Is he physical?
Does he block shots?
Does he go to dirty areas?

do you have to be 18 to post on this site?

do you have to be 18 to post on this site?
- wcorvette

No, just have 18 different logins.

are you related to him or something or just don’t want to have to buy a new flyers jersey? Do you have anything negative to say about him at all?

I’m not trying to be a johnson just really don’t understand the unyielding loyalty. I’m not a hater just don’t understand why he seemingly gets passes just because his point production is always near top of team
- Fopa21

The way you make it sound, youd think G begged to be the Captain, and now you blame him for not being a good captain. Whos your recommendation to wear the C and A's?