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JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
The -30 in 52 games was tough. But at least he averaged .17 PPG. Right where you expect a # 2 overall pick in his third NHL season to be.

When he sucks next year, everyone making excuses about him not playing last season, will have to go back to the drawing board.

- PLindbergh31

No drawing board...if he can't use the offseason to be ready for next year then the kid will top out as a 4th liner at best, and that is a long shot because of what a 4th liner is asked to do is not his strength...
But you can continue female dogging him...take a year and a half off from your job and see how well you do...oh and all while playing against elite talent every night as a young kid with a medical issue you thought might have ended your career and see how far you would develop in your first year back...but hey..Pavels gonna Pavel...
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
No drawing board...if he can't use the offseason to be ready for next year then the kid will top out as a 4th liner at best, and that is a long shot because of what a 4th liner is asked to do is not his strength...
But you can continue female dogging him...take a year and a half off from your job and see how well you do...oh and all while playing against elite talent every night as a young kid with a medical issue you thought might have ended your career and see how far you would develop in your first year back...but hey..Pavels gonna Pavel...

- JW98FlyerFan


He still needs to be much better, his job is depending on it at this point. There's a decent shot he gets pushed out of the lineup next season unless he shows significant improvement.
daddytc
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sarasota, FL
Joined: 10.03.2014

May 11 @ 3:13 PM ET
My buddy and I were praying we didn't take Patrick that year. In fact, we prayed that NJ took him to save Hexy from himself. Every year he was focused on D, he just bought into medical opinion that he was ok and took him at #2. Best part is that we weren't even in the minority. So many fans saw the issues with him, but we are just a bunch of dumbasses posting on hockeybuzz.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 11 @ 3:14 PM ET
No drawing board...if he can't use the offseason to be ready for next year then the kid will top out as a 4th liner at best, and that is a long shot because of what a 4th liner is asked to do is not his strength...
But you can continue female dogging him...take a year and a half off from your job and see how well you do...oh and all while playing against elite talent every night as a young kid with a medical issue you thought might have ended your career and see how far you would develop in your first year back...but hey..Pavels gonna Pavel...

- JW98FlyerFan

As we stated, if Patrick is not traded he will have the opportunity to win a job in the starting lineup, but I sincerely hope the lineup will be much harder to crack after this off season.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 11 @ 3:15 PM ET
He still needs to be much better, his job is depending on it at this point. There's a decent shot he gets pushed out of the lineup next season unless he shows significant improvement.
- Ftown19125

Don't disagree, but i think he had no practice and was probably worried his head was going to spill out like a jar of marbles on the ice...he got this season behind him...he put up 30 points in his first two seasons with ~70 games per season.

For me, he isn't the issue with this team. He is a project just like all the other kids.

The mix of vets doesn't work and Fletcher is going to have to be creative to get out of this.
landros 2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 11 @ 3:17 PM ET
No drawing board...if he can't use the offseason to be ready for next year then the kid will top out as a 4th liner at best, and that is a long shot because of what a 4th liner is asked to do is not his strength...
But you can continue female dogging him...take a year and a half off from your job and see how well you do...oh and all while playing against elite talent every night as a young kid with a medical issue you thought might have ended your career and see how far you would develop in your first year back...but hey..Pavels gonna Pavel...

- JW98FlyerFan



A 4th liner that shies away from contact and is a -30...no thanks. There’s talent there. The player and the team have to try and get this figured out.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

May 11 @ 3:31 PM ET
Don't disagree, but i think he had no practice and was probably worried his head was going to spill out like a jar of marbles on the ice...he got this season behind him...he put up 30 points in his first two seasons with ~70 games per season.

For me, he isn't the issue with this team. He is a project just like all the other kids.

The mix of vets doesn't work and Fletcher is going to have to be creative to get out of this.

- JW98FlyerFan


I'm with you. I was willing to give him a pass this season. He needs to be better next season or see prospects pass him on the depth chart. I would love for Frost to make the team next season, but I'm not really sure what to expect from him either.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 11 @ 3:52 PM ET
The biggest issue is still the manufacturing capabilities...other countries that did manufacturing put them selves at the front of the line. Like the US. Can’t blame countries for looking after their own, and I don’t. As well The government dropped the ball when companies like Pfizer and Moderna started taking orders, Canada was late to the party. We actually had really good numbers until this 3rd wave...like I said there’s no use in female doging and moaning. It is what it is. I’m doing my best to follow all the rules, simply because I’m not a doctor and am trying to err on the side of cation.
- landros 2

Ok, this sounds about right.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 11 @ 3:53 PM ET
I'm with you. I was willing to give him a pass this season. He needs to be better next season or see prospects pass him on the depth chart. I would love for Frost to make the team next season, but I'm not really sure what to expect from him either.
- Ftown19125

Yes, this is a good point. Frost sustained a major shoulder injury, the kind of injury that players don't always recover from. Furthermore Frost is on the smaller side so there is no guarantee he will not get injured again. We can only hope that with this off season he can fully recover and gain more muscle so to be ready to complete for a job in the Fall, assuming he also does not get traded.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 11 @ 4:06 PM ET
Fletcher said today in his presser:

I don't see any problem with the performance or leadership of the veteran players. its not something we've identified as a big issue moving forward


If he actually believes this, please fire Fletcher now and bring in Jeff Gorton to makeover the team!
MBFlyerfan
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All Lives Matter, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 11 @ 4:08 PM ET
Fletcher said today in his presser:



If he actually believes this, please fire Fletcher now and bring in Jeff Gorton to makeover the team!

- jd250



The vets were the best players on the team all season long. Giroux, Couturier, JVR, Braun.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. In a shambles.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 11 @ 4:14 PM ET
The vets were the best players on the team all season long. Giroux, Couturier, JVR, Braun.
- MBFlyerfan


And as much as fans want him gone, Jake showed no signs of slowing down either. Laughts more or less kept up his end of the bargain. Ghost was mostly really good when he was playing.

Probably only vet that you could classify as disappointing would be Hayes, but then again, he more or less just regressed back to his career averages.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 11 @ 4:18 PM ET
It’s a huge benefit to have a Chris Pronger or Wayne Simmonds in the dressing room who isn’t afraid to set up in any situation and say all the right things but there is nothing wrong with the more quiet leaders either. I think the leadership here is fine.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 11 @ 4:20 PM ET
Fletcher said today in his presser:



If he actually believes this, please fire Fletcher now and bring in Jeff Gorton to makeover the team!

- jd250

Huh? The vets played well for the most part minus Hayes near the end. It was the young guys excluding Farabee that regressed. Provy, Sanheim, Myers, TK, Hart... Giroux exceeded on ice performance expectations imo. Jake may be frustrating to watch sometimes but he also had a solid season. I think you just enjoy female doging at whatever you can find to female dog about
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 11 @ 4:24 PM ET
My buddy and I were praying we didn't take Patrick that year. In fact, we prayed that NJ took him to save Hexy from himself. Every year he was focused on D, he just bought into medical opinion that he was ok and took him at #2. Best part is that we weren't even in the minority. So many fans saw the issues with him, but we are just a bunch of dumbasses posting on hockeybuzz.
- daddytc



Right.

Just about every fan everywhere went with Nico or NOPA at the 2 pick, whomever NJ didnt take.

mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

May 11 @ 4:27 PM ET
Huh? The vets played well for the most part minus Hayes near the end. It was the young guys excluding Farabee that regressed. Provy, Sanheim, Myers, TK, Hart... Giroux exceeded on ice performance expectations imo. Jake may be frustrating to watch sometimes but he also had a solid season. I think you just enjoy female doging at whatever you can find to female dog about
- Richieattack18



Myers, Hart and NoPa were unfathomably bad. You have to expect that all three will be better. Hart has to be the elite goalie we expect. Not sure what Myers and NoPa's ceilings are at this point.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

May 11 @ 4:35 PM ET
I will never understand why a player's draft position is brought up so much. I understand in theory the higher the player selected the better they should be or maybe higher expectations, but the FLYERS picked Patrick at #2. Patrick has zero control over where he is picked. Patrick should remind the Flyers they selected HIM.

Now if Patrick signed a new deal worth tons of money then I would fully agree with you, but how they deal with him is 100% on the Flyers.

Again if your argument was "We pay you X amount of money and we expect more from you!" then that is completely logical.

- Glak18


My point in referencing draft position is that NP seems to have lost his game. If I was a coach I would be instructing NP that he has the skills to be a very good NHL player. Trust in those skills. Don’t wait for others to lead on the ice. Take charge and make thin gas happen.
The flyers imo share blame for NP being invisible far to often.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 11 @ 4:37 PM ET
The vets were the best players on the team all season long. Giroux, Couturier, JVR, Braun.
- MBFlyerfan

Really? You really believe this? The vets were the reason this team was not ready to play most nights, fell behind and had to chase games. This team didn't make the playoffs and had a losing season if you count OT loses for what they are .. loses! The Vets were a big reason why. Their lack of leadership and execution in critical moments of the games sunk this season! I don't care if Braun broke his foot blocking a shot, he Sucks! You watch the games, you can see that for yourself. I don't care if JVR had a "bounce back" season, he can only do one thing and that is deflect pucks. He is useless otherwise! I give you G and Couts showed up most nights and played hard, Couts especially through obvious injury.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 11 @ 4:42 PM ET
Huh? The vets played well for the most part minus Hayes near the end. It was the young guys excluding Farabee that regressed. Provy, Sanheim, Myers, TK, Hart... Giroux exceeded on ice performance expectations imo. Jake may be frustrating to watch sometimes but he also had a solid season. I think you just enjoy female doging at whatever you can find to female dog about
- Richieattack18

Are you serious, Jake had a solid season??? OMG! Jake is a disaster! How can you or anyone not see this? And Hayes was awful for most of the season, not just near the end. JVR had his very predictable swoon in the middle of the season. Ghost was better offensively but still a disaster defensively, which is not good if you are a defenseman! Mark my words, if Fletcher does not change this veteran core, you can and should expect the exact same results next year!
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

May 11 @ 4:47 PM ET
Okay, that sounds fair. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. Based on what I gather and my experience on both sides of the boarder, the American dollar dominates. Speaking in hockey terms, there was 7 teams in Canada and 24 in the US. The NHL would rather the Coyotes die in Arizona than ever let them go back to Winnipeg for years. I’m currently looking at houses in a seller’s market. Every bid is won based on a cash offer. Getting back to the topic at hand. How is it Americans are able to get their Dosage free and quickly over Canada? Again, I can count on one hand of how many of my friends and family in Canada are fully vaccinated. In the states, not only is it a choice, you can choose between option A, B, or C? In my opinion, Canada has to do better than “I didn’t know it would be out so soon”. This is important and if it isn’t about money, they need to be more responsible and keep up on this world wide Pandemic.
- SuperSchennBros


Your probably better off not getting it.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

May 11 @ 5:00 PM ET
Are you serious, Jake had a solid season??? OMG! Jake is a disaster! How can you or anyone not see this? And Hayes was awful for most of the season, not just near the end. JVR had his very predictable swoon in the middle of the season. Ghost was better offensively but still a disaster defensively, which is not good if you are a defenseman! Mark my words, if Fletcher does not change this veteran core, you can and should expect the exact same results next year!
- jd250

What are you going to do to replace a .8PPG player that apparently in your eyes is a "disaster". Labeling someone that produces that much as a "disaster" just proves how disingenuous and incorrect you are.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 11 @ 5:04 PM ET
Free at last free at last thank god we are free at last... from this poop season
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

May 11 @ 5:13 PM ET
What are you going to do to replace a .8PPG player that apparently in your eyes is a "disaster". Labeling someone that produces that much as a "disaster" just proves how disingenuous and incorrect you are.
- Richieattack18


I’m not a JV fan and while he gets his points he also turns over the puck a ton by making poor pass decisions in the offensive zone.
He’s not great on the boards. He’s not very good defensively and is lazy most of the time with back checking.
He’s also one of the big culprits that leave the dzone to early leaving the defense to get pressured heavily with no outlet.
Plus I also think he’s an enabler of the team playing lazy.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

May 11 @ 5:16 PM ET
Are you serious, Jake had a solid season??? OMG! Jake is a disaster! How can you or anyone not see this? And Hayes was awful for most of the season, not just near the end. JVR had his very predictable swoon in the middle of the season. Ghost was better offensively but still a disaster defensively, which is not good if you are a defenseman! Mark my words, if Fletcher does not change this veteran core, you can and should expect the exact same results next year!
- jd250


Jake ended the year without a PP goal

More fun facts from the year
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 11 @ 5:18 PM ET
I agree with a lot of things that were said in the presser.

Yes everyone dealt with COVID but some teams had it worse with the stoppages. I mean the Isles were having 2-3 days between games for example while we were playing every 2nd with some b2b games thrown in. It also shouldnt come to anyones surprise that most of the teams that had 2+ weeks of stoppages struggled this year. The only team off the top of my head that was successful was Minnesota.

The bit about the lack of practice I also agree with. We are a young team and the expectation was for our youth to step up and drive the team and like AV said the young guys struggled without having the time to practice. They struggled to find consistency and we saw them get worn out physically.

AV also hit the nail on the head in regards to conditioning. Many of the players did not look like they were in peak condition.

The team Management probably could have been a lot more proactive at making sure these guys were in shape ready to go
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