Getting the maximum number of people dosed with at least one shot is science
- Zezel

I was convinced of that 6-9 months ago already....
my point is that the 2nd doses 12+ weeks out are not properly allocated..

so high five for the approach to get 1 dose to all as quicly as possible, a
for the decision to not use the 2nd doses in another way than to give them too late to canadians instead of to people in asia/africa.. etc.

If Leafs don't make it out of the first round, it's time for Torts to come in.
- MaximusAurelius

Another great take. Let's bring in a guy that is the complete opposite coach of Keefe, who most players seem to love. I'm sure they'll respond accordingly.

I don't think I have ever seen someone who is more wrong in all aspects of their thinking than you are.

Where's a nice place to go in Ontario for a couple that wants to hold up for a week, do some nature walks. I don't need any particular amenities, just beautiful nature area. Aeth actually had a brilliant date idea on here the other day so maybe you guys know something.
- Zezel

My backyard. Only $90.00 a night.

Another great take. Let's bring in a guy that is the complete opposite coach of Keefe, who most players seem to love. I'm sure they'll respond accordingly.

I don't think I have ever seen someone who is more wrong in all aspects of their thinking than you are.
- Kinger34

It should be Boudreau

things will change quickly over the next months.
right now I am booked 112 days between shots.

https://news.ontario.ca/e...e-at-a-shortened-interval
- senstroll

My understanding is the US is closely approaching a point where they will have more vaccine doses than they have demand for them.

I expect at that point the shipments to Canada will increase dramatically. Hopefully Ontario is ready for a large influx of vaccines if it does happen.

I am optimistic I can be fully vaccinated and back to normal sometime in August.

It should be Boudreau
- mr.sir

i think keefe is a long way from getting fired, even if they lose in rd1
but BB would be my pick also ..love some BB

I was saying a while ago that Canada made the right decision going with the one dose approach to quickly provide all with the required protection.
In fact I was supporting and advocating for your 1st and 2nd point. (not sure why you conclude that it doesn't fit my 'political narrative' - first because I was saying the opposite, and 2nd because I said there shouldnt be any politics mixed in with science/public health policies).

I am pointing out that if that decision is made though - the logical follow up decision is to share those doses with other countries (LMICs) not having first dosed yet their populations -- because we have vaccine shortages, and the net effect on health for canada is likely higher than 2nd dosing people after 12-16 weeks (unclear what the additional effect will be).
- MaximusAurelius

Canada, like every country has put a priority on getting its own population fully vaccinated before worrying about sharing. That’s probably somewhat shortsighted. The majority of our vaccines are the mRNAs which probably aren’t the best for the developing world. Hopefully we’re in a position to do better sharing AZ soon.

The advice from a non political, arms length public health advisory body is that there is evidence that a single dose of Pfizer and Moderna are effective for at least six months. This was especially important to get to as many vulnerable people as possible. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your political narrative.

Secondly, given what was available, the decision to give twice as many people a certain degree of protection rather than half as many more protection makes good public health sense. We’re starting to see numbers go down as social distancing restrictions and increased vaccination levels start to take effect.

Thirdly, four months was a starting point. When the strategy was implemented it was not clear how quickly second doses would be available. It is now looking likely that second doses will be available sooner.
- Canada Cup

don't know if that is true, I just got an appointment and they scheduled me for the second exactly 4 months later.

there is no data on this.
so this is an assumption.
if we make decisions based on science, either implement vaccines as recommended (2nd dose within 4 weeks) or donate the excess doses to other regions in the world.
- MaximusAurelius

Maybe they don't have the means to get to that many people in that time frame.

Mississippi Mills...I think lol..its weird, we are right on the line..we are city of Ottawa (pay Ott taxes, garbage pickup etc.) my neighbor accross the street is not. and i am 30+ mins outside of Ottawa
- senstroll

Near the Mississippi golf club?

I was convinced of that 6-9 months ago already....
my point is that the 2nd doses 12+ weeks out are not properly allocated..

so high five for the approach to get 1 dose to all as quicly as possible, a
for the decision to not use the 2nd doses in another way than to give them too late to canadians instead of to people in asia/africa.. etc.
- MaximusAurelius

Jesus, they aren’t allocating doses 12 weeks out. They assumed (probably operating on a worst case basis) that they wouldn’t be in a position to provide second doses until after 12. Now that the supply is stepping up they will adjust the timeline

Canada, like every country has put a priority on getting its own population fully vaccinated before worrying about sharing. That’s probably somewhat shortsighted. The majority of our vaccines are the mRNAs which probably aren’t the best for the developing world. Hopefully we’re in a position to do better sharing AZ soon.
- Canada Cup

bold is true since it is a suboptimal strategy considering canada's public health objectives.
and 2nd -mRNA in rural areas is not optimal, but there are a lot of countries (e.g. in South East Asia, LATAM) that do not yet have vaccines where you can easily implement mRNA vaccine rollout (in cities which are the highest risk areas).

i think keefe is a long way from getting fired, even if they lose in rd1
but BB would be my pick also ..love some BB
- senstroll

Yep, Keefe is secure. Firing Keefe if the Habs get lucky would be a reactive Leaf fan move. It would be like if Tampa fired Cooper after Columbus upset them.

don't know if that is true, I just got an appointment and they scheduled me for the second exactly 4 months later.
- bobbyisno1

Apparently it is under review. But the way the first dose rollout accelerated in the last week or so suggests that it will change.

Near the Mississippi golf club?
- Garnie

well about 30km from there, used to live in CP..never golfed there

Yep, Keefe is secure. Firing Keefe if the Habs get lucky would be a reactive Leaf fan move. It would be like if Tampa fired Cooper after Columbus upset them.
- Zezel

We need Howie Berger back here

Yep, Keefe is secure. Firing Keefe if the Habs get lucky would be a reactive Leaf fan move. It would be like if Tampa fired Cooper after Columbus upset them.
- Zezel

could we at least fire Dubas though ...?

i think keefe is a long way from getting fired, even if they lose in rd1
but BB would be my pick also ..love some BB
- senstroll

If they lose in Round one, I don't know if Keefe or Dubas are necessarily at the end of their rope, either. I would think that Dubas has to make changes with the core. If they lose, you have to take a look at the roster and start making tough decisions before you look at management. They've given the group that they collectively thought could get it done enough chances. I give them a mulligan against Washington because it was a surprise they got there, but the next 3 years should have seen some progress.

Obvious questions:

Is Rielly the best #1 we can get? Bearing in mind that statistically he is producing his second best offensive season, but are the gaps in his game costing us? Objective numbers say that he is still a net positive in all critical aspects.

Are they missing team toughness where it counts? The four best offensive forwards are not exactly physical or battlers. Is it time to part with Nylander for some grit? We'd miss his offense and his skating game more than a lot of people realize, but perhaps for more affordable grit it would be worth it - especially if it led to upgrading Rielly to someone like Hamilton.

I don't know, obviously. This could all be moot as well, because this team should have success. I like the additions of Foligno and Nash - a lot.

well about 30km from there, used to live in CP..never golfed there
- senstroll

Nice course, played it a couple times.

If they lose in Round one, I don't know if Keefe or Dubas are necessarily at the end of their rope, either. I would think that Dubas has to make changes with the core. If they lose, you have to take a look at the roster and start making tough decisions before you look at management. They've given the group that they collectively thought could get it done enough chances. I give them a mulligan against Washington because it was a surprise they got there, but the next 3 years should have seen some progress.

Obvious questions:

Is Rielly the best #1 we can get? Bearing in mind that statistically he is producing his second best offensive season, but are the gaps in his game costing us? Objective numbers say that he is still a net positive in all critical aspects.

Are they missing team toughness where it counts? The four best offensive forwards are not exactly physical or battlers. Is it time to part with Nylander for some grit? We'd miss his offense and his skating game more than a lot of people realize, but perhaps for more affordable grit it would be worth it - especially if it led to upgrading Rielly to someone like Hamilton.

I don't know, obviously. This could all be moot as well, because this team should have success. I like the additions of Foligno and Nash - a lot.
- Monkeypunk

What? Mathews sure as shyte is a battler. Throws the body around a little too.

What? Mathews sure as shyte is a battler. Throws the body around a little too.
- bobbyisno1

I think you're glossing over the general message, but while Matthews does win battles and is a strong guy, he doesn't like to get hit - I'm not saying guys generally do, but there are guys who feed off of that level of energy - they excel in those situations. I think it does throw him off his game. He gets frustrated and distracted. When you see him start throwing cross checks, you know what you're doing is working against Matthews.

We don't have a lot of that in terms of our elite scorers - but the point isn't to address Matthews or Marner, per se. The point is to say - how many softer finesse forwards do you need in your top 6? Maybe 4 is the correct answer.

So while I'd agree that Matthews is starting to play more physical when he needs to, I'm not sure if that play makes him _better_. Like, as an example, when guys like Iginla got physically pissed off in his prime, his level of play would improve and you felt a goal coming. That's not Matthews' style.

recommendation is 3-12weeks interval.
May to Sept is more? could you not get the 2nd dose earlier? (or 1st dose later)

edit: recommendation is 21 days for pfizer and 28 days for moderna - with max adapted 42 days. 12weeks or even longer interval is far from ideal..
- MaximusAurelius

AZ is different. study out of UK shows it is significantly better to wait 12 weeks between AZ doses.

If they lose in Round one, I don't know if Keefe or Dubas are necessarily at the end of their rope, either. I would think that Dubas has to make changes with the core. If they lose, you have to take a look at the roster and start making tough decisions before you look at management. They've given the group that they collectively thought could get it done enough chances. I give them a mulligan against Washington because it was a surprise they got there, but the next 3 years should have seen some progress.

Obvious questions:

Is Rielly the best #1 we can get? Bearing in mind that statistically he is producing his second best offensive season, but are the gaps in his game costing us? Objective numbers say that he is still a net positive in all critical aspects.

Are they missing team toughness where it counts? The four best offensive forwards are not exactly physical or battlers. Is it time to part with Nylander for some grit? We'd miss his offense and his skating game more than a lot of people realize, but perhaps for more affordable grit it would be worth it - especially if it led to upgrading Rielly to someone like Hamilton.

I don't know, obviously. This could all be moot as well, because this team should have success. I like the additions of Foligno and Nash - a lot.
- Monkeypunk

Depends on how you define toughness. They didn’t lose to CBJ because they were outhit. They had trouble working through the neutral zone, they had trouble finishing and Jones was all over Matthews. Having Nylander or Simmonds pound on guys wasn’t going to change that.

Nobody truculated Gardner or Phaneuf into bad pinches against Boston. Those were mental mistakes. I’ll be happy to see Foligno throw some hits but I’ll be happier to see them all fight through their checks, hold onto the puck a bit longer even if they’re going to be hit and get to the tough areas when refs let a lot more poop happen.

I think you're glossing over the general message, but while Matthews does win battles and is a strong guy, he doesn't like to get hit - I'm not saying guys generally do, but there are guys who feed off of that level of energy - they excel in those situations. I think it does throw him off his game. He gets frustrated and distracted. When you see him start throwing cross checks, you know what you're doing is working against Matthews.

We don't have a lot of that in terms of our elite scorers - but the point isn't to address Matthews or Marner, per se. The point is to say - how many softer finesse forwards do you need in your top 6? Maybe 4 is the correct answer.

So while I'd agree that Matthews is starting to play more physical when he needs to, I'm not sure if that play makes him _better_. Like, as an example, when guys like Iginla got physically pissed off in his prime, his level of play would improve and you felt a goal coming. That's not Matthews' style.
- Monkeypunk

for next season:

Hyman - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Tavares - ??
Robertson - Engvall - Mikheyev
?? - Brooks - ??

Kerfoot and Nylander traded.

3 wingers still needed - not sure what will happen with Thornton, Spezza, Simmonds, but 1 or 2 will be back.

AZ is different. study out of UK shows it is significantly better to wait 12 weeks between AZ doses.
- Aetherial

exploratory results.
different vaccine platform.
and still potentially supporting the suggestion to go for worldwide 1 dose vs 2doses in rich countries first and then a year later to LMICs.