Toronto PP is so bad, Marner and Matthews have 20 points less than McDavid and Draisaitl on the PP this season...

booked Vax this morning for May 26

Go Leafs!!
- senstroll

Booked for this Wednesday 😳

2nd is in sept. I assume its pfizer here as thats what most others have gotten here but not sure
- senstroll

recommendation is 3-12weeks interval.
May to Sept is more? could you not get the 2nd dose earlier? (or 1st dose later)

edit: recommendation is 21 days for pfizer and 28 days for moderna - with max adapted 42 days. 12weeks or even longer interval is far from ideal..

recommendation is 3-12weeks interval.
May to Sept is more? could you not get the 2nd dose earlier? (or 1st dose later)

edit: recommendation is 21 days for pfizer and 28 days for moderna - with max adapted 42 days. 12weeks or even longer interval is far from ideal..
- MaximusAurelius

the 2nd one is automatically booked. didnt have a choice.
i guess its possible they move them up if the supply is there, but who knows

recommendation is 3-12weeks interval.
May to Sept is more? could you not get the 2nd dose earlier? (or 1st dose later)

edit: recommendation is 21 days for pfizer and 28 days for moderna - with max adapted 42 days. 12weeks or even longer interval is far from ideal..
- MaximusAurelius

Once you book the first, the Second appointment is booked automatically at the same time. No choice.

the 2nd one is automatically booked. didnt have a choice.
i guess its possible they move them up if the supply is there, but who knows
- senstroll

What township are you in, Sens?

Booked for this Wednesday 😳
- mr.sir

Nice.

Once you book the first, the Second appointment is booked automatically at the same time. No choice.
- Woderwick

I wonder which genius has come up with that solution.
It makes sense to go for a 1 dose strategy, but if you do so, no need to book 2nd appointments.
When you book 2nd appointments, it makes sense to do so according to the timeframes as evaluated during the clinical trials.. (which were the 3-4weeks).
absurd how politics influence science.

recommendation is 3-12weeks interval.
May to Sept is more? could you not get the 2nd dose earlier? (or 1st dose later)

edit: recommendation is 21 days for pfizer and 28 days for moderna - with max adapted 42 days. 12weeks or even longer interval is far from ideal..
- MaximusAurelius

You were in here a week ago saying the single dose strategy was ideal.

Now getting people fully vaccinated is ideal.

I wonder what will be ideal next week.

I wonder which genius has come up with that solution.
It makes sense to go for a 1 dose strategy, but if you do so, no need to book 2nd appointments.
When you book 2nd appointments, it makes sense to do so according to the timeframes as evaluated during the clinical trials.. (which were the 3-4weeks).
absurd how politics influence science.
- MaximusAurelius

Probably the shortage of product dictated the 4 months between shots. Things could change I guess.

You were in here a week ago saying the single dose strategy was ideal.

Now getting people fully vaccinated is ideal.

I wonder what will be ideal next week.
- Leafs43

Ideal is ideal.

You were in here a week ago saying the single dose strategy was ideal.

Now getting people fully vaccinated is ideal.

I wonder what will be ideal next week.
- Leafs43

read my comment above.

I wonder which genius has come up with that solution.
It makes sense to go for a 1 dose strategy, but if you do so, no need to book 2nd appointments.
When you book 2nd appointments, it makes sense to do so according to the timeframes as evaluated during the clinical trials.. (which were the 3-4weeks).
absurd how politics influence science.
- MaximusAurelius

What's ideal isn't always possible in a crisis

Probably the shortage of product dictated the 4 months between shots. Things could change I guess.
- Woderwick

I fully understand.
but there is no data on how those doses will help protecting the Canadian population if outside of the 21-28 time interval used during clinical trials. (or even the 42 days we have some data on).

it is still better to get your 2nd dose.

however, Canada (country that ordered 8-10x # of doses it actually requires based on national population that would need a vaccine) should be better off donating these doses to other countries around the world which do not have proper access to vaccines - the effect on canadian health is probably higher in that way.

it is the typical situation where politics take over from science, which leads to the worst outcome possible considering the available resources.

What township are you in, Sens?
- Woderwick

Mississippi Mills...I think lol..its weird, we are right on the line..we are city of Ottawa (pay Ott taxes, garbage pickup etc.) my neighbor accross the street is not. and i am 30+ mins outside of Ottawa

What's ideal isn't always possible in a crisis
- Zezel

so let's forget about science?

so let's forget about science?
- MaximusAurelius

For now...

Mississippi Mills...I think lol..its weird, we are right on the line..we are city of Ottawa (pay Ott taxes, garbage pickup etc.) my neighbor accross the street is not. and i am 30+ mins outside of Ottawa
- senstroll

Seems like most of the province is on the same sched. Halton just opened up 16+ who work, but can’t work from home, today. Probably the same everywhere...?

I fully understand.
but there is no data on how those doses will help protecting the Canadian population if outside of the 21-28 time interval used during clinical trials. (or even the 42 days we have some data on).

it is still better to get your 2nd dose.

however, Canada (country that ordered 8-10x # of doses it actually requires based on national population that would need a vaccine) should be better off donating these doses to other countries around the world which do not have proper access to vaccines - the effect on canadian health is probably higher in that way.

it is the typical situation where politics take over from science, which leads to the worst outcome possible considering the available resources.
- MaximusAurelius

The advice from a non political, arms length public health advisory body is that there is evidence that a single dose of Pfizer and Moderna are effective for at least six months. This was especially important to get to as many vulnerable people as possible. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your political narrative.

Secondly, given what was available, the decision to give twice as many people a certain degree of protection rather than half as many more protection makes good public health sense. We’re starting to see numbers go down as social distancing restrictions and increased vaccination levels start to take effect.

Thirdly, four months was a starting point. When the strategy was implemented it was not clear how quickly second doses would be available. It is now looking likely that second doses will be available sooner.

The advice from a non political, arms length public health advisory body is that there is evidence that a single dose of Pfizer and Moderna are effective for at least six months. This was especially important to get to as many vulnerable people as possible. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your political narrative.

Secondly, given what was available, the decision to give twice as many people a certain degree of protection rather than half as many more protection makes good public health sense. We’re starting to see numbers go down as social distancing restrictions and increased vaccination levels start to take effect.

Thirdly, four months was a starting point. When the strategy was implemented it was not clear how quickly second doses would be available. It is now looking likely that second doses will be available sooner.
- Canada Cup

there is no data on this.
so this is an assumption.
if we make decisions based on science, either implement vaccines as recommended (2nd dose within 4 weeks) or donate the excess doses to other regions in the world.

there is no data on this.
so this is an assumption.
if we make decisions based on science, either implement vaccines as recommended (2nd dose within 4 weeks) or donate the excess doses to other regions in the world.
- MaximusAurelius

Jesus (frank)ing Christ this guy.

so let's forget about science?
- MaximusAurelius

Getting the maximum number of people dosed with at least one shot is science

The advice from a non political, arms length public health advisory body is that there is evidence that a single dose of Pfizer and Moderna are effective for at least six months. This was especially important to get to as many vulnerable people as possible. Sorry if that doesn’t fit your political narrative.

Secondly, given what was available, the decision to give twice as many people a certain degree of protection rather than half as many more protection makes good public health sense. We’re starting to see numbers go down as social distancing restrictions and increased vaccination levels start to take effect.

Thirdly, four months was a starting point. When the strategy was implemented it was not clear how quickly second doses would be available. It is now looking likely that second doses will be available sooner.
- Canada Cup

I was saying a while ago that Canada made the right decision going with the one dose approach to quickly provide all with the required protection.
In fact I was supporting and advocating for your 1st and 2nd point. (not sure why you conclude that it doesn't fit my 'political narrative' - first because I was saying the opposite, and 2nd because I said there shouldnt be any politics mixed in with science/public health policies).

I am pointing out that if that decision is made though - the logical follow up decision is to share those doses with other countries (LMICs) not having first dosed yet their populations -- because we have vaccine shortages, and the net effect on health for canada is likely higher than 2nd dosing people after 12-16 weeks (unclear what the additional effect will be).

Hyman is great and the 'Hyman is not worth more than 5mln AAV' crowd has no clue about what is needed on a team to have a chance at winning the SCF..

Rather have Hyman at 6.9AAV than Willie at 6.9AAV.
- MaximusAurelius

Great take. This type of approach worked well while Burke was here.

things will change quickly over the next months.
right now I am booked 112 days between shots.

https://news.ontario.ca/e...e-at-a-shortened-interval