The Scheifele bit is a bit hard to lean into, I admit.

However, there is 0 evidence anywhere to suggest Jones is anything but average. He can’t defend in zone to save his life
- Rexypoo

And at this point Dubois looks like a better skating Lowry which is pretty far from a high end 2C.

And at this point Dubois looks like a better skating Lowry which is pretty far from a high end 2C.
- JetFuel

He’s definitely not up to speed yet. Coming in hurt, playing a ludicrous schedule, and having to play with a randomized assortment of linemates in an unsuitably flaccid system doesn’t help him much.

I don’t think we’ve seen the real PLD.

He’s definitely not up to speed yet. Coming in hurt, playing a ludicrous schedule, and having to play with a randomized assortment of linemates in an unsuitably flaccid system doesn’t help him much.

I don’t think we’ve seen the real PLD.
- Rexypoo

he's the youngest forward in the line up, and a player we all wanted on the team, i'll have some patience and hope he gets a new coach next year with new systems.

as have i and dont have time as well. you can also check multiple advanced sites to see you are wrong.

i agree Maurice is to blame for a lot. but you cant use Maurice as an excuse for sheifele and no other player.

lowry for instance has 2x the amount of defensive zone starts that 55.
- Ross77

I did have time today

total defensive faceoffs 5v5 according to naturalstattrick
Scheifele 195
Lowry 200

Lowry takes all the defensive faceoffs on the penalty kill which Scheifele doesn't do.

I actually agree with Rexypoo from last summer where he stated that Copp should be on Scheifele’s wing. I originally laughed at the idea. Now, I think its actually pretty astute.
- TheUltimateJet

Heyoooo

my full list of who id look at for the coach of Jets, spoiler, I do not want a long tenured NHL coach like Gallant or Boudreau.

Rickard Gronborg
Sam Hallam
Mike Velluci
Juka Jalonen

not sure these two are ready yet??
Manny Maholtra
Alex Burrows

if it has to be someone with some nhl coaching experience, id interview
Paul MacLean
Kirk Muller
Kevin Dineen

i also think Vincent deserves a soilid interview, the Moose have been good this year and I dont know how much Maurice's systrem are forced on him.
- Ross77

You really think Maurice is toast if the Jets lose in the first round Ross?
I figure he gets at least half a season next year.

he's the youngest forward in the line up, and a player we all wanted on the team, i'll have some patience and hope he gets a new coach next year with new systems.
- Ross77

I didn't want him on the Jets, I agree with everything else you said.

You really think Maurice is toast if the Jets lose in the first round Ross?
I figure he gets at least half a season next year.
- BWJumper

I actually think Chipman will announce Maurice is safe within 48 hours of us being bounced from the playoffs. but I wish and think he should've been gone a year ago.

giving him anytime next years is as big a waste as this year has been. do we really need to see 81-55-26 start the year as his #1 line. or can i anxiously wait to see what 32-35 year olds we sign so Maurice plays them on our 4th line ahead of Gustaffson, Vessalainen and Perfetti?

You really think Maurice is toast if the Jets lose in the first round Ross?
I figure he gets at least half a season next year.
- BWJumper

I think so too, if anything I bet Chipman turns up the heat on Chevy before Maurice gets canned.

I actually think Chipman will announce Maurice is safe within 48 hours of us being bounced from the playoffs. but I wish and think he should've been gone a year ago.

giving him anytime next years is as big a waste as this year has been. do we really need to see 81-55-26 start the year as his #1 line. or can i anxiously wait to see what 32-35 year olds we sign so Maurice plays them on our 4th line ahead of Gustaffson, Vessalainen and Perfetti?
- Ross77

That means both Stastny and Perreault are definitely coming back. I wonder what Mark Letestu is up to these days.

That means both Stastny and Perreault are definitely coming back. I wonder what Mark Letestu is up to these days.


- TheUltimateJet

To be fair, Stastny and Perreault have been dynamite this year

To be fair, Stastny and Perreault have been dynamite this year
- Rexypoo

I did not say that they have not been. I do believe they have been overplayed.

Like do you ever see Toronto play Spezza, Thornton and Simmonds like its 2015?

I did have time today

total defensive faceoffs 5v5 according to naturalstattrick
Scheifele 195
Lowry 200

Lowry takes all the defensive faceoffs on the penalty kill which Scheifele doesn't do.
- BWJumper

Just thinking more critically at the defensive zone starts. I am glad that you brought this up. The stat essentially measures how that players times is used. It does not take into consideration that Scheifele could essentially be starting the same amount in the defensive end, but also getting additional time to start in the offensive zone.

Thank you for the face off stat BW!!!

To be fair, Stastny and Perreault have been dynamite this year
- Rexypoo

Dynamite is a reach, its like calling Copp a sniper, when no one in the league hits the goalie square in the crest more.

Just thinking more critically at the defensive zone starts. I am glad that you brought this up. The stat essentially measures how that players times is used. It does not take into consideration that Scheifele could essentially be starting the same amount in the defensive end, but also getting additional time to start in the offensive zone.

Thank you for the face off stat BW!!!
- TheUltimateJet

i went back to look at what i was looking at, and it was actually offensive zone starts which was shief at 140 to Lowry 81, defensive zone starts was Lowry 102 to Shief 92 as per money puck

He is a top 10 center in the league. How much more elite can you get than that? And, last I checked, its the coach that dictates TOI, you can correct me if I am wrong on that.

Perhaps, you can answer my question then: name me one player that has successfully been able to contain both Mathews and McDavid in the NHL.
- TheUltimateJet

I don’t think he’s top 20. I’d put up probably nearly any other teams 1c against them over Scheifele. I don’t hate him either, but think we greatly over rate him (with the exception of his AAV - which is all Chevy locking him in early). TOI is dictated by coach, but it sure seems Wheeler and 55 go out as they please, pp1 & empty net scenarios as an example.

To be fair, Stastny and Perreault have been dynamite this year
- Rexypoo

They have great analytics compared to the rest of the Jets, but their actual offensive output has been nearly non-existent for the past 20 games.

If the Jets were an actual top team the should bring them back. But their not, so they are better off moving on and use the cap space on a defenseman.

Dynamite is a reach, its like calling Copp a sniper, when no one in the league hits the goalie square in the crest more.
- Ross77

I think Copp's shot could be called a work in progress - he is a good player but the shot...it's his weakest skill. Breaking down the wrister: a positive is that he likes to shoot and puts himself in good positions to shoot from. negative is that his release is slow and very predictable (forward, back, release... every time). Changing the speed or cadence would help his everyday shot. Adding a quick-release shot (Connor has a good one) would help. Hitting the goalie in the chest is just a consequence of the goalie having time to get set.

i went back to look at what i was looking at, and it was actually offensive zone starts which was shief at 140 to Lowry 81, defensive zone starts was Lowry 102 to Shief 92 as per money puck
- Ross77

That would probably have more to do with ice time. The last I checked, Lowry has never been a major offensive threat.

I don’t think he’s top 20. I’d put up probably nearly any other teams 1c against them over Scheifele. I don’t hate him either, but think we greatly over rate him (with the exception of his AAV - which is all Chevy locking him in early). TOI is dictated by coach, but it sure seems Wheeler and 55 go out as they please, pp1 & empty net scenarios as an example.
- Jetlag

Could some of Scheifele’s defensive miscues be associated to playing with #26?

Toewes was brought up earlier. If memory serves me right, during their cup runs, he had this fantastic winger in Marian Hossa. That guy was a defensive juggernaut.

Also we have differing views on #55 and that is okay. I do know one thing. The majority of our offence has come through him!

In 2015-16 season, Mark Scheifele became our number 1 center after Little got hurt.

In that time, he has amassed 418 points, which is good enough for 12th overall in point production. Only Connor McDavid, Leon Draisatl, Sidney Crosby and Nathan Mackinnon have more points than him playing center.

He’s 15th overall in ppg during that same stretch. Only McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Draisatl, Mackinnon, Stamkos and Mathews average higher than him. That’s with him having poopty second line centers.

In conclusion, Scheifele is a beast!

In 2015-16 season, Mark Scheifele became our number 1 center after Little got hurt.

In that time, he has amassed 418 points, which is good enough for 12th overall in point production. Only Connor McDavid, Leon Draisatl, Sidney Crosby and Nathan Mackinnon have more points than him playing center.

He’s 15th overall in ppg during that same stretch. Only McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Draisatl, Mackinnon, Stamkos and Mathews average higher than him. That’s with him having poopty second line centers.

In conclusion, Scheifele is a beast!
- TheUltimateJet

Ya, I think we agree to disagree. Having said that we’re both huge fans and everyone has their preferences. If we can have 2018 playoffs Scheifele this year, sign me up! Go Jets Go.

I don’t mind Morrisey, but I hate them using him as an offensive d-man. I’d instantly be using Heinola ahead of him, or Stanley for that matter (while Pionk isn’t an option)

Demko made 7 great saves, the rest of the shots were right into his crest.

I liked Heinola and Stanleys game, they both looked good.

9 lossess in 10, lol............Claude Noel would have been fired twice by now...............So is the next crazy move by ownerhsip is fire Chevy and install Maurice as GM .....since firing the coach doesn't happen in Wpg?

Demko made 7 great saves, the rest of the shots were right into his crest.

I liked Heinola and Stanleys game, they both looked good.

9 lossess in 10, lol............Claude Noel would have been fired twice by now...............So is the next crazy move by ownerhsip is fire Chevy and install Maurice as GM .....since firing the coach doesn't happen in Wpg?
- Old Flopper

The Jets are doing their best to help Maurice cement his legacy. He’s already got the record for most losses ever as a head coach. With every additional loss he accumulates, it makes it harder for someone to beat this record.