Rick Tocchet might look good behind the Jets bench, now that he’s on the market.

Rick Tocchet might look good behind the Jets bench, now that he’s on the market.
- Jetlag

Or Torts even... 😃

Simple, he suggests he wants to be among the elite centers in the league and has held the 1c spot here for several years. Also leads in TOI, I believe, so that’s my reasons why.
- Jetlag

He is a top 10 center in the league. How much more elite can you get than that? And, last I checked, its the coach that dictates TOI, you can correct me if I am wrong on that.

Perhaps, you can answer my question then: name me one player that has successfully been able to contain both Mathews and McDavid in the NHL.

They would way worse if we put one of our other centers against McDavid. Essentially, so what if Scheifele does not do well against Mathews and McDavid. Both guys are generational.

I find it funny that Jets fans concentrate on Scheifele’s performance against those two while essentially ignoring his performance against the other 29 teams top centers.
- TheUltimateJet

how do you get worse than 12-2?
and more importantly, Shief will not be playing in the playoffs against the 29 other teams top centers so that's why i focus on who he will be playing against.

He is a top 10 center in the league. How much more elite can you get than that? And, last I checked, its the coach that dictates TOI, you can correct me if I am wrong on that.

Perhaps, you can answer my question then: name me one player that has successfully been able to contain both Mathews and McDavid in the NHL.
- TheUltimateJet

Shief is not top 10!!! top 15-20 maybe. his defensive side of the game is so bad you cant have him top 10.

Or Torts even... 😃
- JetFuel

No to both

Trading PLD for Jones would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Like, WHA through to now. Not even close.

You do not trade a 22 year old, high end 2C with potential to be better than Scheifele for a 4-5 dman looking for elite money

Sheifele is a top 10 centre in this league. He just doesn't have that one quality that really separates him like McD's speed, or Matthews shot. But you know what, Toews/Kopitar/Bergeron all fell into that same category and all they did was win. Hopefully Scheifs follows that trend of being an unreal 200' player who finds himself a cup.
- bikeguy99

Toews, Kopitar and Bergeron were/are great defensive centers, Schiefele isn't good defensively, he's basically a winger that takes faceoffs and usually loses them.

Also those three play with more commitment to playing the right way, more of leaders with an emphasis on winning, Scheifele looks checked out and is more focused on his personal point totals.

He is a top 10 center in the league. How much more elite can you get than that? And, last I checked, its the coach that dictates TOI, you can correct me if I am wrong on that.

Perhaps, you can answer my question then: name me one player that has successfully been able to contain both Mathews and McDavid in the NHL.
- TheUltimateJet

if you agree sheif gets dominated by both mathews and mcdavid and thats the match up you want, why did you predict the jets to go to the cup?

Shief is not top 10!!! top 15-20 maybe. his defensive side of the game is so bad you cant have him top 10.
- Ross77

His advanced stats do not back you up Ross. He is top 10. This expectation that he is solely responsible for containing McDavid and Mathews is so unrealistic. I never see him getting beat by other teams lesser players.

how do you get worse than 12-2?
and more importantly, Shief will not be playing in the playoffs against the 29 other teams top centers so that's why i focus on who he will be playing against.
- Ross77

If it was solely Lowry on McDavid, it might be 24-1.

Hence the need for strong secondary scoring. Something that seems to be missing from this team.

No to both
- Rexypoo

Rickard Gronborg is my choice

Toews, Kopitar and Bergeron were/are great defensive centers, Schiefele isn't good defensively, he's basically a winger that takes faceoffs and usually loses them.

Also those three play with more commitment to playing the right way, more of leaders with an emphasis on winning, Scheifele looks checked out and is more focused on his personal point totals.
- JetFuel

Coaching my friend! Darryl Sutter, and Joel Quenville’s main focus has been on puck possession.

Maurice’s dump and chase does not emphasize that!

And, you are essentially asking a player to play a way his coach does not want him too.

His advanced stats do not back you up Ross. He is top 10. This expectation that he is solely responsible for containing McDavid and Mathews is so unrealistic. I never see him getting beat by other teams lesser players.
- TheUltimateJet

prove it, the advanced stats do back this up, he is not close to top 10

show me advanced stats that have him better than all of

mcdavid
mathews
aho
mackinnon
barkov
kopitar
bergevon
backstrom
oreily
point
crosby

here is 11 off the top of my head, please show me how advanced stats that rate both offense and defense that he is better than these guys

If it was solely Lowry on McDavid, it might be 24-1.

Hence the need for strong secondary scoring. Something that seems to be missing from this team.
- TheUltimateJet

so we lose either way, this is a great argument for us to have, lose-lose

prove it, the advanced stats do back this up, he is not close to top 10

show me advanced stats that have him better than all of

mcdavid
mathews
aho
mackinnon
barkov
kopitar
bergevon
backstrom
oreily
point
crosby

here is 11 off the top of my head, please show me how advanced stats that rate both offense and defense that he is better than these guys
- Ross77

You can check out Puck IQ, Hockey Reference and a plethora of other sites. I have done lots of research for you in the past and do not have the time to spend on this today.

His offensive production and the fact that every player gets better playing with him are also a great starting off point. Not his fault that Maurice has overplayed him for the past few seasons.

so we lose either way, this is a great argument for us to have, lose-lose
- Ross77

Poor coaching and horrible systems are already guaranteeing we are going to lose.

Paul Maurice loser of 8 out of 9 games. The man has the best job in the world. He's ineffective most of the time but keeps his job.
- TheUltimateJet

I think this is it for him. Find success this playoff run or he is out. Chevy remains hands off but has now stated several times that Heinola needs to be further examined to see if he can be a top 4 D right now. As long as Maurice continues to scratch Stanley and not use Heinola, there will be friction.

We would have no clue how good Stanley is if it weren't for Beaulieu going down. I am at a loss of words to describe the blinders on Maurice, if he can't see via analytics, or his eyeballs, that Stanley should be a regular in this lineup. It's time to adapt PoMo or you'll be out of a job.

Jomo Heinola
Stanley Pionk
Forbort Poolman
DeMelo 7th

if you agree sheif gets dominated by both mathews and mcdavid and thats the match up you want, why did you predict the jets to go to the cup?
- Ross77

Goaltending and secondary scoring!

After Mathews, Mariner and Tavares, nothing else on TO scares me.

After McDavid and Draisaitl, nothing on Edmonton scares me.

We have the best goalie in the NHL. We also have tones of secondary scoring. And, furthermore, 6 out of the 7 teams in this division finished between 26 and 31 last year in high danger shots allowed. This trend has continued into this year. Hence Mathews getting 40 goals and McDavid getting 100 points.

This is a crap division.

You can check out Puck IQ, Hockey Reference and a plethora of other sites. I have done lots of research for you in the past and do not have the time to spend on this today.

His offensive production and the fact that every player gets better playing with him are also a great starting off point. Not his fault that Maurice has overplayed him for the past few seasons.
- TheUltimateJet

as have i and dont have time as well. you can also check multiple advanced sites to see you are wrong.

i agree Maurice is to blame for a lot. but you cant use Maurice as an excuse for sheifele and no other player.

lowry for instance has 2x the amount of defensive zone starts that 55.

as have i and dont have time as well. you can also check multiple advanced sites to see you are wrong.

i agree Maurice is to blame for a lot. but you cant use Maurice as an excuse for sheifele and no other player.

lowry for instance has 2x the amount of defensive zone starts that 55.
- Ross77

Lowry is touted as a defensive specialist is he not? And, without Copp on his wing, his advanced stats go down even more significantly.

I actually agree with Rexypoo from last summer where he stated that Copp should be on Scheifele’s wing. I originally laughed at the idea. Now, I think its actually pretty astute.

Trading PLD for Jones would be the biggest mistake in franchise history. Like, WHA through to now. Not even close.

You do not trade a 22 year old, high end 2C with potential to be better than Scheifele for a 4-5 dman looking for elite money
- Rexypoo

There's my Monday morning laugh break !

There's my Monday morning laugh break !
- bennythehat

The Scheifele bit is a bit hard to lean into, I admit.

However, there is 0 evidence anywhere to suggest Jones is anything but average. He can’t defend in zone to save his life

my full list of who id look at for the coach of Jets, spoiler, I do not want a long tenured NHL coach like Gallant or Boudreau.

Rickard Gronborg
Sam Hallam
Mike Velluci
Juka Jalonen

not sure these two are ready yet??
Manny Maholtra
Alex Burrows

if it has to be someone with some nhl coaching experience, id interview
Paul MacLean
Kirk Muller
Kevin Dineen

i also think Vincent deserves a soilid interview, the Moose have been good this year and I dont know how much Maurice's systrem are forced on him.