I think this is backwards. JV was not the BPA at 6th overall. JV was ranked 6th amongst North American skaters in Central Scouting’s final rankings, not 6th overall.

The Canucks reached for JV because they wanted/needed a power forward. If they did go with BPA they probably would have ended up with someone like Nylander or Kapanen.

Crazy to think that for the first time in forever the Canucks had two picks in the first round and now have nothing but Pearson to show for it.
- bloatedmosquito

A somewhat fair assessment but very easy to say now. The top 2 scouting reports had him no higher than 7 position. Ahead of both Nylander and Kapanen.
Where Jake Virtanen is ranked:

NHL Central Scouting has him ranked sixth-best among North American skaters.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=712854

International Scouting Services have him ranked as the seventh-best overall player.
http://www.isshockey.com/

Future Considerations has him ranked as the 11th-best overall player.
http://futureconsiderations.ca/

Corey Pronman of ESPN has him ranked as the 11th-best overall player.
http://espn.go.com/

Craig Button of TSN has him ranked as the 43rd-best overall player.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Based off his WHL status and numbers and the top 2 scouting reports he basically was BPA at the time. Is what it is. Maybe we should have listened to Button lol

We'll see how Hall holds up in the PO's in Boston. They may be able to get him in order. Regardless Hall and McDavid at the time was not going to work in the same dressing room so Chia did what was needed and LArsson was instrumental in the PO run that year. It gets amplified as EDM has missed the PO's until this season. Sure wish we had Larssen here. Plays tough D.
- LordHumungous

You can next year! Do it! Do it!

We don’t want a racist player. Calgary is the only team that has a culture toxic enough to fit him in
- CanuckDon

You’re still good with me quarantining in your basement?

I think this is backwards. JV was not the BPA at 6th overall. JV was ranked 6th amongst North American skaters in Central Scouting’s final rankings, not 6th overall.

The Canucks reached for JV because they wanted/needed a power forward. If they did go with BPA they probably would have ended up with someone like Nylander or Kapanen.

Crazy to think that for the first time in forever the Canucks had two picks in the first round and now have nothing but Pearson to show for it.
- bloatedmosquito

Could be worse, could have drafted Goldobin at 6.

Could you imagine if the had gotten, oh, I don't know, Brayden Pointe and David Pasternak instead of Virtanen and McCann

Draft is a bit of a crap shoot.

A somewhat fair assessment but very easy to say now. The top 2 scouting reports had him no higher than 7 position. Ahead of both Nylander and Kapanen.
Where Jake Virtanen is ranked:

NHL Central Scouting has him ranked sixth-best among North American skaters.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=712854

International Scouting Services have him ranked as the seventh-best overall player.
http://www.isshockey.com/

Future Considerations has him ranked as the 11th-best overall player.
http://futureconsiderations.ca/

Corey Pronman of ESPN has him ranked as the 11th-best overall player.
http://espn.go.com/

Craig Button of TSN has him ranked as the 43rd-best overall player.
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Based off his WHL status and numbers and the top 2 scouting reports he basically was BPA at the time. Is what it is. Maybe we should have listened to Button lol
- LordHumungous

This is ridiculous. Even by your own links, he was the 7th highest rated player. Now you say that "based on his WHL status," ( btw, wtf does that mean?) and the top 2 links (which say otherwise) he was "basically" the BPA.

In reality, he was taken for position (power forward) and where he's from. He was not the BPA. Even at the time it was thought he was mostly picked due to being local.

This re-write of history with links that don't even support what you're saying is ridiculous. Hang your head in shame. lol

Could be worse, could have drafted Goldobin at 6.

Could you imagine if the had gotten, oh, I don't know, Brayden Pointe and David Pasternak instead of Virtanen and McCann

Draft is a bit of a crap shoot.
- 1970vintage

Totally. I have fond memories of the 2019 draft when the gurus in here talk about every single draft eligible player but Podkolzin. You never know what’s going through a team’s mind before the draft. All you can do is cross your fingers and get your foam brick ready for launch.

Totally. I have fond memories of the 2019 draft when the gurus in here talk about every single draft eligible player but Podkolzin. You never know what’s going through a team’s mind before the draft. All you can do is cross your fingers and get your foam brick ready for launch.
- bloatedmosquito

I'll be watching what the Canucks do at the draft this year as well as the Wild.

Totally. I have fond memories of the 2019 draft when the gurus in here talk about every single draft eligible player but Podkolzin. You never know what’s going through a team’s mind before the draft. All you can do is cross your fingers and get your foam brick ready for launch.
- bloatedmosquito

He was a kid I really wanted, over Boldy. But at 10 I was thinking he would be gone and was super confused when we called his name over Boldy.

Totally. I have fond memories of the 2019 draft when the gurus in here talk about every single draft eligible player but Podkolzin. You never know what’s going through a team’s mind before the draft. All you can do is cross your fingers and get your foam brick ready for launch.
- bloatedmosquito

If you're not using a real brick you're a pussy

This is ridiculous. Even by your own links, he was the 7th highest rated player. Now you say that "based on his WHL status," ( btw, wtf does that mean?) and the top 2 links (which say otherwise) he was "basically" the BPA.

In reality, he was taken for position (power forward) and where he's from. He was not the BPA. Even at the time it was thought he was mostly picked due to being local.

This re-write of history with links that don't even support what you're saying is ridiculous. Hang your head in shame. lol
- RealityChecker

lol wow man it aint that hard to figure out...even Bob McKenzie gave JV a final rank of 7OA. How is that not BPA after the two top scouting reports said almost the same thing and we picked him at 6th. By your BPA logic then we should have had Sam Bennett instead if he was available? Wow dude and you talk about shaking heads lol
Look..I get it. The hatred for FA taking that pick and wanting Benning canned clouds the fact the he clearly was picked where he was ranked. Now is that an FA 'power forward hometown boy pick'...sure it is. But if that isn't BPA gone wrong then we'd better change the draft processes and quick.

lol

lol wow man it aint that hard to figure out...even Bob McKenzie gave JV a final rank of 7OA. How is that not BPA after the two top scouting reports said almost the same thing and we picked him at 6th. By your BPA logic then we should have had Sam Bennett instead if he was available? Wow dude and you talk about shaking heads lol
Look..I get it. The hatred for FA taking that pick and wanting Benning canned clouds the fact the he clearly was picked where he was ranked. Now is that an FA 'power forward hometown boy pick'...sure it is. But if that isn't BPA gone wrong then we'd better change the draft processes and quick.

lol
- LordHumungous

Ranked 7OA by Bob means he was not BPA, another kid was ranked higher. But the links you provided had him ranked generally outside the top 10.
He'd probably be better atm if he did not a) miss a season to his shoulder injury and b) get rushed into the NHL a year or two earlier than he shod have.

Everybody's boards are very different usually.

You target whoever is there. If they think they could get a player of similiar calibre later on to pick up another asset. Why not.

Benning has Boeser at 12th and got him at 23.
- manvanfan

And he also signed Erickson Ferland Beagke Roussell Sutter Spooner buyout Hightower Biyd Vesey I'm done...... he shouldn't be here anymore. Greart job with Boeser terrible job with every other aspect of gm ing

Ranked 7OA by Bob means he was not BPA, another kid was ranked higher. But the links you provided had him ranked generally outside the top 10.
He'd probably be better atm if he did not a) miss a season to his shoulder injury and b) get rushed into the NHL a year or two earlier than he shod have.
- Retinalz

Lists will vary to be sure. Maybe the shoulder thing is a factor hard to say. It's easy now to go back and say we should have taken this guy that guy blah blah but at the time he was picked close to his ranking from the top 2 scouting reports at 6-7 respectively. Sure he was 11th in the other two and Button had him 43rd lol. Even Sportsnet had him ahead of Nylander and Kapanen:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-nhl-draft-rankings-1-10/

Is what it is. Because the pick is a bust now it will cloud the way people think about the pick. Regardless of it being and FA pick or not lol

Ranked 7OA by Bob means he was not BPA, another kid was ranked higher. But the links you provided had him ranked generally outside the top 10.
He'd probably be better atm if he did not a) miss a season to his shoulder injury and b) get rushed into the NHL a year or two earlier than he shod have.
- Retinalz

Yeah, the only ranking system that had him 7th or better was International Scouting Services. The rest had him 10th or worst.

International Scouting Services had Leon Draisaitl at 6th just in front of JV so...

lol wow man it aint that hard to figure out...even Bob McKenzie gave JV a final rank of 7OA. How is that not BPA after the two top scouting reports said almost the same thing and we picked him at 6th. By your BPA logic then we should have had Sam Bennett instead if he was available? Wow dude and you talk about shaking heads lol
Look..I get it. The hatred for FA taking that pick and wanting Benning canned clouds the fact the he clearly was picked where he was ranked. Now is that an FA 'power forward hometown boy pick'...sure it is. But if that isn't BPA gone wrong then we'd better change the draft processes and quick.

lol
- LordHumungous

You really don't get it. I'm not advocating one way or the other in this discussion re: draft strategy.

What I'm saying is that even by your own links, JV was not the BPA. No one has actually ever argued that aside from you today. It's always been considered that he was picked because the team coveted a power forward (need based) or that he was picked due to being local (marketing.)

What you're doing is using him as an example of why the BPA strategy does not work. What I'm saying is that you're not picking a consensus BPA and using that as a focal point of your argument. What you're actually doing is shoehorning a needs based pick into BPA to advance your argument.

Ranked 7OA by Bob means he was not BPA, another kid was ranked higher. But the links you provided had him ranked generally outside the top 10.
He'd probably be better atm if he did not a) miss a season to his shoulder injury and b) get rushed into the NHL a year or two earlier than he shod have.
- Retinalz

Yeah, the only ranking system that had him 7th or better was International Scouting Services. The rest had him 10th or worst.

International Scouting Services had Leon Draisaitl at 6th just in front of JV so...
- bloatedmosquito

https://www.nhl.com/news/...s-final-rankings/c-712854

Guess you missed that one lol

Lists will vary to be sure. Maybe the shoulder thing is a factor hard to say. It's easy now to go back and say we should have taken this guy that guy blah blah but at the time he was picked close to his ranking from the top 2 scouting reports at 6-7 respectively. Sure he was 11th in the other two and Button had him 43rd lol. Even Sportsnet had him ahead of Nylander and Kapanen:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-nhl-draft-rankings-1-10/

Is what it is. Because the pick is a bust now it will cloud the way people think about the pick. Regardless of it being and FA pick or not lol
- LordHumungous

Are you sure? I don’t think that’s accurate. 6th best North American skater is not the same as 6th overall. CS had him 10th overall. So only ISS had him that high.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-css-2014-n-american-skaters-final-rankings/c-712854

Guess you missed that one lol
- LordHumungous

Again, best North American skater is not including all draft eligible players.

You’re still good with me quarantining in your basement?
- K-man25

I don’t have a basement. I have a 3 level home, condos and a few ranchers 🤷‍♂️

Totally. I have fond memories of the 2019 draft when the gurus in here talk about every single draft eligible player but Podkolzin. You never know what’s going through a team’s mind before the draft. All you can do is cross your fingers and get your foam brick ready for launch.
- bloatedmosquito

I was very anti Pod. Very.

Are you sure? I don’t think that’s accurate. 6th best North American skater is not the same as 6th overall. CS had him 10th overall. So only ISS had him that high.
- bloatedmosquito

Last I checked NHL CSS final ranking was 6th.

I was very anti Pod. Very.
- CanuckDon

Ya and I wasn't sure on Pettersson and the kid will be fantastic.

You really don't get it. I'm not advocating one way or the other in this discussion re: draft strategy.

What I'm saying is that even by your own links, JV was not the BPA. No one has actually ever argued that aside from you today. It's always been considered that he was picked because the team coveted a power forward (need based) or that he was picked due to being local (marketing.)

What you're doing is using him as an example of why the BPA strategy does not work. What I'm saying is that you're not picking a consensus BPA and using that as a focal point of your argument. What you're actually doing is shoehorning a needs based pick into BPA to advance your argument.
- RealityChecker

Funny to think that the 2014 draft was, at the time, considered one of Canucks best (along with 2017). Now all that’s left is Demko.

That’s how you turn chicken salad into chicken shit.

Ya and I wasn't sure on Pettersson and the kid will be fantastic.
- LordHumungous

I hope so