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Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 5 @ 3:30 PM ET
My expectations are tempered, I will take issue with anyone that that is how you defend on a 2 on 1.
Rathbone is the only draft pick I have ever gotten that I wanted, other than a few obvious ones, Linden, Sedins.
I spent my whole playing life as a checking winger or a defenseman.
On that particular play, Rathbone over commits to McDavid, the puck carrier, leaving Draisaitl wide open, a goalies worst nightmare.
It is his 1st game hopefully the coaching staff addresses any defensive issues with Rathbone and don't leave it unaddressed like they do with Hughes.

- Reubenkincade

They should have benched Miller after he gave Edmonton 3 goals. Consistancy is lacking in that organization in so many areas.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

May 5 @ 3:39 PM ET
My expectations are tempered, I will take issue with anyone that that is how you defend on a 2 on 1.
Rathbone is the only draft pick I have ever gotten that I wanted, other than a few obvious ones, Linden, Sedins.
I spent my whole playing life as a checking winger or a defenseman.
On that particular play, Rathbone over commits to McDavid, the puck carrier, leaving Draisaitl wide open, a goalies worst nightmare.
It is his 1st game hopefully the coaching staff addresses any defensive issues with Rathbone and don't leave it unaddressed like they do with Hughes.

- Reubenkincade


Overcommit? Nope. Goalies job is to expect the pass on any 2 on 1, unless his Dman blatantly takes away the pass, in which case the shot is high danger and no different than a breakaway. By why give the shooter those odds? On any 2 on 1 you have to make a decision at some point to try to eliminate the pass. Most defenders with hold back until around the hash marks and right when the puck handler is about to make a decision, the DMan makes his move and tries to catch the puck carrier off guard, which is what Rathbone tried to do. Smart move IMO in an otherwise extremely difficult situation.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

May 5 @ 3:39 PM ET
They should have benched Miller after he gave Edmonton 3 goals. Consistancy is lacking in that organization in so many areas.
- Marwood


Clean house please Francesco
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 5 @ 3:41 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/new-yo...ger-jeff-gorton-1.1634997
- VanHockeyGuy

So Rangers ownership thinks that stock piling picks and drafting high should bring instant success but it didn't, so you fire the GM?

Weird how the perfect rebuild hasn't been a success.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

May 5 @ 3:43 PM ET
They should have benched Miller after he gave Edmonton 3 goals. Consistancy is lacking in that organization in so many areas.
- Marwood


Man I wish you were our coach and GM - I'd love seeing the trades, firings, benchings, a brand new team every month and half.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 5 @ 3:44 PM ET
Man I wish you were our coach and GM - I'd love seeing the trades, firings, benchings, a brand new team every month and half.
- Brooks_Light

Ya, it would suck to see some accountability.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 5 @ 3:45 PM ET
The Rangers even said they were rebuilding and that didn't give them instant success either.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

May 5 @ 3:47 PM ET
Thanks Carol
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

May 5 @ 3:48 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/new-yo...ger-jeff-gorton-1.1634997
- VanHockeyGuy

Getting rid of the rebuild GM to bring in the GM who can make you competitive, boy wouldn't that have been a good idea for Van to do.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 5 @ 3:50 PM ET
Getting rid of the rebuild GM to bring in the GM who can make you competitive, boy wouldn't that have been a good idea for Van to do.
- NorthNuck

So bringing in a new GM also guarantees instant success? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

May 5 @ 3:52 PM ET
Overcommit? Nope. Goalies job is to expect the pass on any 2 on 1, unless his Dman blatantly takes away the pass, in which case the shot is high danger and no different than a breakaway. By why give the shooter those odds? On any 2 on 1 you have to make a decision at some point to try to eliminate the pass. Most defenders with hold back until around the hash marks and right when the puck handler is about to make a decision, the DMan makes his move and tries to catch the puck carrier off guard, which is what Rathbone tried to do. Smart move IMO in an otherwise extremely difficult situation.
- Brooks_Light


No, it isn't. Goalies take the shooter. Dman is responsible for preventing the pass.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

May 5 @ 3:53 PM ET
Overcommit? Nope. Goalies job is to expect the pass on any 2 on 1, unless his Dman blatantly takes away the pass, in which case the shot is high danger and no different than a breakaway. By why give the shooter those odds? On any 2 on 1 you have to make a decision at some point to try to eliminate the pass. Most defenders with hold back until around the hash marks and right when the puck handler is about to make a decision, the DMan makes his move and tries to catch the puck carrier off guard, which is what Rathbone tried to do. Smart move IMO in an otherwise extremely difficult situation.
- Brooks_Light

This is how I saw it. He kept macdavid honest and then tried to eliminate the pass. If he didn’t shade towards Macjesus the puck would have been in the net before Benning could say and stuff
VanHockeyGuy
Location: β€œWho are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 5 @ 3:53 PM ET
So bringing in a new GM also guarantees instant success? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰
- manvanfan



Let's see where the next decade takes us.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 5 @ 3:54 PM ET
So bringing in a new GM also guarantees instant success? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰
- manvanfan

No, but keeping the one who has been retooling on the fly while staying competitive and getting the same sh*tty results after 8 years doesn't guarantee success either.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

May 5 @ 3:56 PM ET
No, it isn't. Goalies take the shooter. Dman is responsible for preventing the pass.
- Load Management


Thank you.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

May 5 @ 3:57 PM ET
So bringing in a new GM also guarantees instant success? πŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰
- manvanfan

No, but I think we can all agree different managers have different skillsets. Would you rather have JB or Gillis for drafting? What about when you're going for the cup?

It feels a bit premature on the Rangers part, but as was referenced in the article, they might want the new guy to be in charge of the exit interviews so he can get a better grasp on what changes need to be made.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 5 @ 3:58 PM ET
No, but keeping the one who has been retooling on the fly while staying competitive and getting the same sh*tty results after 8 years doesn't guarantee success either.
- Marwood


At this point, and given the body of work done in the last 7-8 years, I think its less of a gamble to take the route of new management than it is continuing on with this trend and trajectory.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 5 @ 3:58 PM ET
No, but keeping the one who has been retooling on the fly while staying competitive and getting the same sh*tty results after 8 years doesn't guarantee success either.
- Marwood

So its like the grass is greener on the otherside to get over there to be potentially disappointed again that its not.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 5 @ 4:00 PM ET
So its like the grass is greener on the otherside to get over there to be potentially disappointed again that its not.
- manvanfan


We are standing in a gravel pit right now
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

May 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
No, it isn't. Goalies take the shooter. Dman is responsible for preventing the pass.
- Load Management


Obviously the goalie lines up to the shooter but I said "they should be expecting the pass." Which is what Holtby did and got across quite easily to make the save. The Dman should try to prevent the pass and lead the shooter OVER as much as possible towards the face-off dot into a low percentage scoring area - ei. forcing the pass. Again, Rathbone played it very well considering the situation and most importantly the players involved.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

May 5 @ 4:04 PM ET
No, but I think we can all agree different managers have different skillsets. Would you rather have JB or Gillis for drafting? What about when you're going for the cup?

It feels a bit premature on the Rangers part, but as was referenced in the article, they might want the new guy to be in charge of the exit interviews so he can get a better grasp on what changes need to be made.

- NorthNuck

Certainly GMs are different. I would rather have JB drafting.

I wouldn't want to have a GM that can't draft and mortgage the future again for a team that isnt ready for a cup.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

May 5 @ 4:04 PM ET
Thank you.
- Reubenkincade


nope - also wrong
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

May 5 @ 4:04 PM ET
So its like the grass is greener on the otherside to get over there to be potentially disappointed again that its not.
- manvanfan

There's always a risk or we can stay safe and keep being disappointed year after year.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 5 @ 4:05 PM ET
Thanks Carol! Stay safe everyone and listen to your local health authorities !
- CanuckDon

Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

May 5 @ 4:06 PM ET

- LordHumungous

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