LoL. I just watched that John Scott video. Two guys jumped Wilson... Stroke and then Panarin. Wilson didn't jump anyone. WTF.

Panarin caused his own head to hit the ice by falling over onto his side and not protecting his head.

Wilson is innocent here.
- MisterBrown

I don't think Wilson is innocent here, but I think it's being over blown.

I don't like that his stick was under Buch's head and he was pulling up on it. But I think the light punch to the shoulder and him pulling the jersey to get his stick free is well over blown.

I agree Panarin jumped Wilson so no one can blame him for defending himself there. Although I think an argument could be made that Wilson held back a bit, he could have done some serious damage in an actual fight in that situation.

Personally I think a $5000 fine is what's needed in this situation, but I don't think it should be for roughing. A 2 minute roughing penalty is fine.

What he should have gotten the $5000 fine for is unsportsmanlike conduct after mocking the rangers while he was in the box. That was completely uncalled for and pretty childish and overall embarrassing to the game.

LoL. I just watched that John Scott video. Two guys jumped Wilson... Stroke and then Panarin. Wilson didn't jump anyone. WTF.

Panarin caused his own head to hit the ice by falling over onto his side and not protecting his head.

Wilson is innocent here.
- MisterBrown

He’s far from innocent here. But it’s not even close to Bertuzzi level.
He’s a douche and should be suspended but not a life ban for this.

Go with your gut. It’s spot on.
- poopstash

Hahahah I shall. It's clearer now.

A hefty phuck you to all the jagoffs dragging politics into this.

Seems like certain people get triggered and feel the need to inject politics into everything. It's hockey, not Washington DC.

Politics is phucking everywhere, we don't need it here. Do we really want a bunch of Tanners running around the forum making a political Richard-waving match out of every thread?

You are franking blind.

Wilson punched the player in the back of the head/neck long after the whistle was blown.

And how you could not see Wilson grab Panarin by the hair to drag him to the ice is... astonishing.

I've seen your dumbass comments in the Leafs blog often enough. They can't stand you there so you gotta bring your stupid comments elsewhere too?
- Nasty_Duck

I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Also, I'm not here throwing personal insults at people. There's a small clique in the Leafs blog lead by an ex bureaucrat who throws around all his high level political connections, in case anyone was wondering.

I don't think Wilson is innocent here, but I think it's being over blown.

I don't like that his stick was under Buch's head and he was pulling up on it. But I think the light punch to the shoulder and him pulling the jersey to get his stick free is well over blown.

I agree Panarin jumped Wilson so no one can blame him for defending himself there. Although I think an argument could be made that Wilson held back a bit, he could have done some serious damage in an actual fight in that situation.

Personally I think a $5000 fine is what's needed in this situation, but I don't think it should be for roughing. A 2 minute roughing penalty is fine.

What he should have gotten the $5000 fine for is unsportsmanlike conduct after mocking the rangers while he was in the box. That was completely uncalled for and pretty childish and overall embarrassing to the game.
- Maverick1818

Ok. I agree. He wasn't innocent, I was probably a tad too sympathetic after seeing all the over the top takes here.

If Wilson wanted, he could have ended every Ranger on the ice. He held himself back to the nth degree.

they were all chipping in the crease and that is what started the incident


if you want to eliminate it, do not allow a body in the crease


oh wait that didn't work

That's still a bizarre narrative. So he's willing to be dirty and fight to back up his dirty actions? That somehow justifies it? Again, weird take.
- Rinosaur

Weird take? He’s a mean, tough, dirty player. That’s how he plays. It’s amusing to here fans react to situations like this. If it’s not Tom Wilson it probably doesn’t even make the highlights. I was fine from start to finish what he did. I was Glad no one got hurt. As far as justifying it ? He got a double roughing penalty and a misconduct. In this case even the call on the ice got it right.

I don't think Wilson is innocent here, but I think it's being over blown.

I don't like that his stick was under Buch's head and he was pulling up on it. But I think the light punch to the shoulder and him pulling the jersey to get his stick free is well over blown.

I agree Panarin jumped Wilson so no one can blame him for defending himself there. Although I think an argument could be made that Wilson held back a bit, he could have done some serious damage in an actual fight in that situation.

Personally I think a $5000 fine is what's needed in this situation, but I don't think it should be for roughing. A 2 minute roughing penalty is fine.

What he should have gotten the $5000 fine for is unsportsmanlike conduct after mocking the rangers while he was in the box. That was completely uncalled for and pretty childish and overall embarrassing to the game.
- Maverick1818

Panarin didn't jump Wilson. He tried to pull him off his teammate. It's pretty clear.

John Scott is right.

The NHL just said that scrums are fair game to pretty much do whatever you want.

5k fine is the worst you get.

How about putting a guy whose career was ruined like Savard or Connolly in charge of player safety instead of a guy who’s job it was to injure people.

John Scott is right.

The NHL just said that scrums are fair game to pretty much do whatever you want.

5k fine is the worst you get.

How about putting a guy whose career was ruined like Savard or Connolly in charge of player safety instead of a guy who’s job it was to injure people.
- ImThatGuy

Isn't Ray Whitney in charge now?

Not sure how you can be blinded by grabbing a player by the hair and sending him to the ice is being blinded by any kind of hatred. Yes, I'm a Penguins fan and you can say that makes me biased but here are the facts:

1) He slammed Buch's head down the ice.
2) He hits Buch's head while he was down on the ice.
3) He pulled Panarin down to the ice by his hair allowing his head to hit the ice.
4) He continued to pummel Panarin
5) From the penalty box, he stood and flexed after.

There's nothing about any of those facts that can be spun by any sort of bias. There is no interpretation by what he did. It's clear as day.
- Rinosaur

Well, he wasn’t suspended. So kinda seems like maybe you’re the one who’s interpreted this incorrectly?

Weird take? He’s a mean, tough, dirty player. That’s how he plays. It’s amusing to here fans react to situations like this. If it’s not Tom Wilson it probably doesn’t even make the highlights. I was fine from start to finish what he did. I was Glad no one got hurt. As far as justifying it ? He got a double roughing penalty and a misconduct. In this case even the call on the ice got it right.
- landros 2

He made more money sitting in the penalty box last night than the allowable fine.

Discuss how this is a deterrent.

Weird take? He’s a mean, tough, dirty player. That’s how he plays. It’s amusing to here fans react to situations like this. If it’s not Tom Wilson it probably doesn’t even make the highlights. I was fine from start to finish what he did. I was Glad no one got hurt. As far as justifying it ? He got a double roughing penalty and a misconduct. In this case even the call on the ice got it right.
- landros 2

I think it's weird to act like it's ok for him to be dirty since he "backs it up" by fighting. For the record, I love players who play with an edge. Players can push the line as far as they can without being dangerous. I love watching physical hockey. Wilson is just a dangerous player and that's not a badge of courage fans should wear, it's shameful.

Hahahah I shall. It's clearer now.
- Rinosaur

You're taking advice from a guy who has literal poo as his moustache.

And you think I'm off my rocker somehow. LoL. :smh

Panarin didn't jump Wilson. He tried to pull him off his teammate. It's pretty clear.
- Rinosaur

Wilson was jumped, there was multiple players in the scrum but out of the two players going over Wilson. Panarin was the second one. In the scrum Wilson happened the match with Panarin.

Did you expect him to just sit back and let himself get punched?

my point was that Wilson was no innocent. However it's being well over blown

Isn't Ray Whitney in charge now?
- BINGO!

George Parros unless that has changed recently.

Says the guy with a picture of his Mom for an avatar.
- Marwood

MYLF

You're taking advice from a guy who has literal poo as his moustache.

And you think I'm off my rocker somehow. LoL. :smh
- MisterBrown

I'll judge people by their actions/words on here, not their names. You should change your name to MisterTroll.

Wilson was jumped, there was multiple players in the scrum but out of the two players going over Wilson. Panarin was the second one. In the scrum Wilson happened the match with Panarin.

Did you expect him to just sit back and let himself get punched?

my point was that Wilson was no innocent. However it's being well over blown
- Maverick1818

I just re-watched. It's very clear. Panarin, who is much smaller than Wilson, had to get leverage to pull him off. He didn't throw a hit. He jumped on him and then proceeded to try and pull him off. He didn't hit him. Didn't attempt any fighting action. He was protecting his teammate.

EDIT: Being "jumped" and jumping on a player are not the same. Jumping a player is attacking them when they aren't expecting it. Panarin didn't do that in the slightest.

So just for a quick stark comparisson here... A player like Kevin Fiala (a true finesse player with zero history of negligence) gets a 3 game suspension forfeiting $78K for an unintentional boarding penalty that resulted in NO Injuries... and this ass clown with a checkered history of egregious violent hits gets a measly $5k fine for punching and bashing heads into the ice when these guys are already down and vulnerable?!!! Nice (frank)ing determination process by the league safety commission...
- MnGump

He got a 5K fine for punching a guy in the shoulder.. The stuff with Panarin was not part of that.

For me what Thachuk did to Campbell a few weeks ago was just as bad and nobody said a word.

He made more money sitting in the penalty box last night than the allowable fine.

Discuss how this is a deterrent.
- ImThatGuy

The 5 k is a joke. That’s collective bargained....obviously the players don’t want to agree to “real” fines as it still is their livelihoods we are talking about.

I just re-watched. It's very clear. Panarin, who is much smaller than Wilson, had to get leverage to pull him off. He didn't throw a hit. He jumped on him and then proceeded to try and pull him off. He didn't hit him. Didn't attempt any fighting action. He was protecting his teammate.
- Rinosaur

Panarin's size has nothing to do with it. If they didn't jump in than the whistle would have blown and everyone would have just gotten up calmly.

My point is that, given what happened. Wilson did deserve the $5000 fine that he got (personally I think he deserved it for the unsportsmanlike mocking he did while he was in the box). But the whole situation is so over blown it's crazy.

Panarin's size has nothing to do with it. If they didn't jump in than the whistle would have blown and everyone would have just gotten up calmly.

My point is that, given what happened. Wilson did deserve the $5000 fine that he got (personally I think he deserved it for the unsportsmanlike mocking he did while he was in the box). But the whole situation is so over blown it's crazy.
- Maverick1818

Go back and watch the whole sequence one more time. Panarin was trying to simply pull Wilson off his teammate and needed to jump on him in order to have any physical leverage to make that happen. He in no way attempted to "jump" him. "Jumping" a player is attacking them when they aren't expecting it.

This all speaks to the rampant inconsistencies in NHL rule enforcement. Refs do not call penalties as players are repeatedly cross checked in front of a goalie. Are cross checks illegal or not, or are they legal if someone is screening a goalie? I can't count how many hundreds of times I watched Thomas Vanek get cross checked in front of a goalie. So too, it seems like it's also legal to hack a goalie after the whistle and kick at a goalie (which is frigging shocking given the two incidents we've seen as Sabre fans) after the whistle. This is why and how things happen.

NHL refs take the cake for making their sport worse IMO. They have absolutely all the wrong control over their game. They can kill pace and tempo but fail to control danger. What are they really good for?