Not deserve life ban.. stop

It’s interesting that you hear so many players, coaches, and GMs talk so much about “bad for our game” and “there’s no place for that in our game” when their players get injured by stuff like this but when the CBA comes up for negotiations and they have an opportunity to speak up and really change the policies and punishments you hear NOTHING. The player competition committee says NOTHING. it’s all lip service.

Okay let's break this down.
#1. No agenda, just stating facts
#2. Doesn't matter that Buch's face was sideways (I've already stated that I did not like how Wilson's stick was under him and he was pulling up) but factually you can see in the video, he punched the shoulder, not the face or head.... it's very clear.
#3. I've never once said anything about Buch kicking anyone or anything in any of my posts
#4. I have absolutely no problem with Strome pulling Wilson off Buch, or Dowd jumping in. Strome was protecting Buch and Dowd was protecting Wilson... As far as I'm concerned, those are two good team mates
#5. In a scrum it's typical that players match with each other. in this case Panarin matched with Wilson and Wilson very clearly over powered him. If there was hair pulling, I certainly don't like that. But there is no way Wilson would have thought "I can't handle Panarin so I'll pull his hair". It likely would have just happened to be a consequence that Panarin has long hand and Wilson easily man handling him.
#6. I've also never said in any of my posts that they "fell together" but that's irreverent. The entire thing with Panarin, Wilson was simply over powering him and one could make an argument that given how easily he was manhandling him, he could have done some serious damage.

My own personal thoughts on it, I think Buch went to the net hard like he should have and happened to get tangled up in a bad position with Wilson.

I think Wilson giving him a light punch on the shoulder and pulling on his jersey to get his stick free was no big deal, but he must have known someone would jump in. (I don't like that he was pulling his stick up from underneath Buch)

I like the fact the Strome and Dowd jumped in to defend their team mates

I think Panarin and Wilson matching up in a scrum was a bad match on Panarin's part because of how much stronger Wilson is.

And I think the worst part about the entire situation is the mocking when Wilson was in the box.

That's just embarrassing for Wilson and the league
- Maverick1818

Ok, I obviously muddled some of your posts with someone else's.
And, I appreciate the polite and diffusing nature of your response. I started out that way with my first response to you, but have gotten pretty frustrated today.

I still disagree about the punch. I see it landing right beside the plastic of Buch's helmet around the earhole. That is face, not shoulder.
I also feel that it can be seen that Wilson falls to his knees and is control of his body BEFORE lowering his arms and upper body the rest of the way down on to Buch's head. That is intentional.
As for tussling with Panarin, you are spot on. It is a usual sort of scrum for a couple seconds and Panarin, being a good team mate, unfortunately gets squared off with Wilson.
This is the point at which any other tough guy would just tie him up and laugh about how Panarin wants no part of fighting him. I certainly agree that Wilson thought "I can't handle Panarin so I'll pull his hair", I feel it's much more likely that he thought, "I can manhandle this puke, and he's a star to boot! Watch this!!" and then pulls off a stunning UFC style slam. You don't pull someone's hair back and down like that unless you are intending for them to land on their head.

wow..it doesn't matter what he didn't need to do...its what he did...whnat he does time and time and time again...the NHL doesn't have the guts to do what is right and kick his ASS out...or about about 82 games...

what a cancer this guy is...(frank) him.

Not seeing it at all. I know your used to watching the Flyers in front of their own net, were guys are given a peck on the cheek rather then a punch in the face. If he is suspended, the league ready needs to get a clue. It’s Bushnevich creating the issue and paying a price. Planarian jumped in....grabbed the wrong guy. Wilson could have laid a beating but just gave him a quick rag doll.
I’m not a wWilson fan, but if you start taking this out of the game it become the ice cap adds on ice....maybe that’s what some want I guess.
- landros 2

screw the false dichtomomy that this has to be allowed or its the ice capades...so old hearing this sophistry..

Here we go again.

First, I don’t like either team, so I don’t have bias.

Two, you’re asking the league to met out penalties, fines, and suspensions, so it will always be subjective.

There in lies the problem. Anytime you cede control of anything to someone else, you give up your rights and freedoms to equalize the infraction. In layman’s terms. Don’t wait for all this bullsh!t league review. All of the last decade is proof, fines and suspensions don’t work. What does work, calling up, or having an expendable player to punish the offender. It has worked in life and hockey forever. Now, you want someone else to watch over you. Uh, no. I can do that myself, thank you.

Bring back the enforcer! It was a lot more fun, anyway. Plus, as a player, you always knew you would pay for your transgressions. If you don’t want an enforcer, then suck it up, and take matters into your own hands.

My ten game suspension in high school was well worth it. Broke the guys orbital bone above his left eye, and knocked out two teeth before being pulled off by both ref and linesman. Now go and ask if the guy who crossed checked me and laughed afterward, if it was worth it. I’m betting he says no! Problem solved. You’re welcome.

There will be those that disagree, but they’re the ones who love nannies, telling them what to do at every moment, then whine because the nanny isn’t fair. Life isn’t fair. Be responsible for yourself. No one cares about you, more than....YOU!

And for the record, I love Wilson as a player, when he isn’t dirty. But, that was just awful. He needs to go, or use my methods. Tried and true.

Now bring on the playoffs!!

I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Also, I'm not here throwing personal insults at people. There's a small clique in the Leafs blog lead by an ex bureaucrat who throws around all his high level political connections, in case anyone was wondering.
- MisterBrown

If by small you mean 99%, then yeah, you're bang on!

Here we go again.

First, I don’t like either team, so I don’t have bias.

Two, you’re asking the league to met out penalties, fines, and suspensions, so it will always be subjective.

There in lies the problem. Anytime you cede control of anything to someone else, you give up your rights and freedoms to equalize the infraction. In layman’s terms. Don’t wait for all this bullsh!t league review. All of the last decade is proof, fines and suspensions don’t work. What does work, calling up, or having an expendable player to punish the offender. It has worked in life and hockey forever. Now, you want someone else to watch over you. Uh, no. I can do that myself, thank you.

Bring back the enforcer! It was a lot more fun, anyway. Plus, as a player, you always knew you would pay for your transgressions. If you don’t want an enforcer, then suck it up, and take matters into your own hands.

My ten game suspension in high school was well worth it. Broke the guys orbital bone above his left eye, and knocked out two teeth before being pulled off by both ref and linesman. Now go and ask if the guy who crossed checked me and laughed afterward, if it was worth it. I’m betting he says no! Problem solved. You’re welcome.

There will be those that disagree, but they’re the ones who love nannies, telling them what to do at every moment, then whine because the nanny isn’t fair. Life isn’t fair. Be responsible for yourself. No one cares about you, more than....YOU!

And for the record, I love Wilson as a player, when he isn’t dirty. But, that was just awful. He needs to go, or use my methods. Tried and true.

Now bring on the playoffs!!
- Hokeeguy9

This is exactly what happens when fighting leaves the game. It becomes more dangerous. Perfect example. Wilson is a punk. Also has been and always will be. He intends to injure 100% of the time. That’s who he is. He deserved 10 games, but more importantly he deserves a two hander across the back of the ankle and miss the playoffs. The rangers better handle this properly since the league has decided not to. Texas justice is the only answer here.

Not deserve life ban.. stop
- cutty218

History should be the guide on how to proceed with this. The league should not wait until extreme injury to a player before removing a repeat offender. Tom Wilson is a very skilled player with an edge that any team would love to have. The issue is, his edge tends to go too far and he is not emotionally intelligent enough to just be a hard player. He's instead a hot headed dangerous player that has spent a large portion of his short career in suspension for various infractions. The league should not allow him to play for at least the rest of the season/playoffs based on his history.

Arguing over his intent, his punch landing on a shoulder or the head... its all extraneous BS. He's on a defenseless players back. There is the appearance of wrong doing from more than just the Rangers fanbase. He is a common name associated with dirty play - it's that simple. Anyone claiming he was "jumped" doesn't have a clue and probably never played a game in their lives. Panarin came to his team mates aid and wasn't at all trying to fight Wilson - he was trying to separate the rabid dog and could have career altering issues as a result. Life altering consequences have no place in the GAME of Hockey.

screw the false dichtomomy that this has to be allowed or its the ice capades...so old hearing this sophistry..
- bogiedoc

And I’m sick of watching the game constantly being neutered and made devoid of physical play. Screw the false outrage.

Ok, I obviously muddled some of your posts with someone else's.
And, I appreciate the polite and diffusing nature of your response. I started out that way with my first response to you, but have gotten pretty frustrated today.

I still disagree about the punch. I see it landing right beside the plastic of Buch's helmet around the earhole. That is face, not shoulder.
I also feel that it can be seen that Wilson falls to his knees and is control of his body BEFORE lowering his arms and upper body the rest of the way down on to Buch's head. That is intentional.
As for tussling with Panarin, you are spot on. It is a usual sort of scrum for a couple seconds and Panarin, being a good team mate, unfortunately gets squared off with Wilson.
This is the point at which any other tough guy would just tie him up and laugh about how Panarin wants no part of fighting him. I certainly agree that Wilson thought "I can't handle Panarin so I'll pull his hair", I feel it's much more likely that he thought, "I can manhandle this puke, and he's a star to boot! Watch this!!" and then pulls off a stunning UFC style slam. You don't pull someone's hair back and down like that unless you are intending for them to land on their head.
- Tonybere

I appreciate it, no worries I can see how anyone can get heated, especially with conflicting opinions from basically everyone. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree.

I have no stake it in really. I'm a Sens fan. but I just call it how it see it. Which is why I've said multiple times, I don't think Wilson is innocent in this at all. but personally, I think people are either over blowing it or directing at the wrong parts.

There lots in this to pick entire situation to pick apart.

This is exactly what happens when fighting leaves the game. It becomes more dangerous. Perfect example. Wilson is a punk. Also has been and always will be. He intends to injure 100% of the time. That’s who he is. He deserved 10 games, but more importantly he deserves a two hander across the back of the ankle and miss the playoffs. The rangers better handle this properly since the league has decided not to. Texas justice is the only answer here.
- Joe Nardone

The mandating of visors is the primary thing that killed fighting in the league. No one wants to risk breaking their fists on a guy's visor and being out for a month. And allowing players to remove their helmets before fights risks serious injuries (just like Panarin was at risk for a very serious injury here).

One of the other problems here is that Wilson is not only an exceptional cheapshot artist but he is also probably one of best fighters in the league at the moment. The Penguins don't have anyone on their roster who could take him in a fair fight and I am pretty sure that the Rangers don't either (nor the modern day Flyers, for that matter - I guess their current "tough guy" is Farabee but he would get killed by Wilson in a fair fight).

The best way to deal with this (provided that the league doesn't do its job and suspend Wilson) is the way how Tocchet dealt with the Rangers in the 92 playoffs. After Graves broke Lemieux's wrist and other players took cheapshots, Tocchet went up to Messier and pointed at him and said "The next time someone goes after Lemieux I am coming after you!!!" Lemieux was left alone after that.

In the next game the Rangers should put targets on Backstrom and Orlov and deliberately try to injure them with cheapshots, headshots, whatever. Take a match penalty if you have to. I would say to go after their goalie but their goalies are bad and not worth the effort. By taking one of these two (or both) out for the playoffs it pretty much guarantees that Wilson will be hitting the golf course after the first or second round and the team will be forced to deal with him in some way or another.

I appreciate it, no worries I can see how anyone can get heated, especially with conflicting opinions from basically everyone. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree.

I have no stake it in really. I'm a Sens fan. but I just call it how it see it. Which is why I've said multiple times, I don't think Wilson is innocent in this at all. but personally, I think people are either over blowing it or directing at the wrong parts.

There lots in this to pick entire situation to pick apart.
- Maverick1818

Unfortunately.
I just watched the whole episode a few more times. I didn't notice before that (as far as I can tell) Wilson was the only one out of 10 players that threw punches at any time. Everyone else knows what a post-whistle scrum is about except that idiot.

Yup. I can't believe he was allowed to finish that game, let alone being able to finish the season.
- Rinosaur

This happened for one reason only.

The League has backed themselves into a corner with escalating suspensions. In theory Wilson should be gone for this year and into next year. They are reluctant to do that, so they just decided it is a non-suspendable offense. They have done the same thing with the last couple Marchand incidents.

Unfortunately.
I just watched the whole episode a few more times. I didn't notice before that (as far as I can tell) Wilson was the only one out of 10 players that threw punches at any time. Everyone else knows what a post-whistle scrum is about except that idiot.
- Tonybere

At that point, I don't think you can blame him for that.

I didn't watch the game, but from what I understand, Wilson was heated before any of this. Plus if there is a scrum, it's completely common to have one single fight while others match up and basically stand and watch.

In this case, Wilson was pulled off Buch/Jumped. I don't like it either, even if he manhandled Panarin, you can't blame the guy for defending himself. it just looked bad because he is so much bigger and stronger.

As far as Wilson goes, there are two main things I don't like about this....

#1. His stick was under Buch's face and Wilson was pulling up (I would assume in an attempt to get his stick out, which is why he punched him and pulled on his jersey). All he had to do was sit there and the whistle would have blown and he could have gotten up. But pulling his stick up on Buch's face could have cut him, or caused injury.

#2. His mocking while he was in the box. That was childish, unsportsmanlike, makes him look bad and makes the league look bad. Which is what I think the $5000 fine should have been for.

The mandating of visors is the primary thing that killed fighting in the league. No one wants to risk breaking their fists on a guy's visor and being out for a month. And allowing players to remove their helmets before fights risks serious injuries (just like Panarin was at risk for a very serious injury here).

One of the other problems here is that Wilson is not only an exceptional cheapshot artist but he is also probably one of best fighters in the league at the moment. The Penguins don't have anyone on their roster who could take him in a fair fight and I am pretty sure that the Rangers don't either (nor the modern day Flyers, for that matter - I guess their current "tough guy" is Farabee but he would get killed by Wilson in a fair fight).

The best way to deal with this (provided that the league doesn't do its job and suspend Wilson) is the way how Tocchet dealt with the Rangers in the 92 playoffs. After Graves broke Lemieux's wrist and other players took cheapshots, Tocchet went up to Messier and pointed at him and said "The next time someone goes after Lemieux I am coming after you!!!" Lemieux was left alone after that.

In the next game the Rangers should put targets on Backstrom and Orlov and deliberately try to injure them with cheapshots, headshots, whatever. Take a match penalty if you have to. I would say to go after their goalie but their goalies are bad and not worth the effort. By taking one of these two (or both) out for the playoffs it pretty much guarantees that Wilson will be hitting the golf course after the first or second round and the team will be forced to deal with him in some way or another.
- PghPens668771

Look at a Flyers fan agreeing with a Pittsburgh fan. Stop the presses!

Seriously, I agree wholeheartedly. See my previous post. And, it absolutely kills me that the Flyers have no one on the team that can stand up for a teammate. It’s like the Philadelphia Marshmellows! I used to watch at least a hundred games a year. Now, sadly, I watch about a dozen plus some of the playoffs. It’s that bad. No loyalty or respect any longer, since the players, nor the management has any, either. Seeing an ultimate Flyer in Hextall at the helm of a rival, (Pens) Is almost blasphemous. But this is the new NHL. The Ice Capades with sticks and pucks, all to lure more corporate, casual fans with deep pockets, that but luxury boxes.

The old NHL was a beautiful war that was incredibly fun to watch! Now that the Nanny watches over, and decides outcomes, this will continue. Cheap shots galore with no retribution.

Excuse me while I go throw up!🤢

I mean how many times are we just going to ignore his antics? How many times does he have to pull this bull before he is banned. We shouldnt be waiting until he Todd Bertuzzi's someone
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

the initial slam on Buch was bad. The "sucker punch" didn't seem like there's was much behind it and Panarin getting ragdolled rather than getting the snot beat out of him does not warrant a life ban.

I believe the $5000 fine has already been paid via anonymous crytpo-currency transfer coming out of Russia.

No need to be dramatic EK. I’d give the drama rating an E6. Yotes players have been just as brutalized this season and hardly anything called. Step back from the ledge and calm down a bit!

Sadly, it will take a player getting paralyzed or killed on the ice for things to really change and this stuff to go away. It’s coming and it will be an enormous black eye on the league forever. If Panarin’s head had hit the Ice with all of that force he could have been killed. But “keep your head up, snowflake”, right? That’s hockey.

This happened for one reason only.

The League has backed themselves into a corner with escalating suspensions. In theory Wilson should be gone for this year and into next year. They are reluctant to do that, so they just decided it is a non-suspendable offense. They have done the same thing with the last couple Marchand incidents.
- Aetherial

Good point, sir.

Look at a Flyers fan agreeing with a Pittsburgh fan. Stop the presses!

Seriously, I agree wholeheartedly. See my previous post. And, it absolutely kills me that the Flyers have no one on the team that can stand up for a teammate. It’s like the Philadelphia Marshmellows! I used to watch at least a hundred games a year. Now, sadly, I watch about a dozen plus some of the playoffs. It’s that bad. No loyalty or respect any longer, since the players, nor the management has any, either. Seeing an ultimate Flyer in Hextall at the helm of a rival, (Pens) Is almost blasphemous. But this is the new NHL. The Ice Capades with sticks and pucks, all to lure more corporate, casual fans with deep pockets, that but luxury boxes.

The old NHL was a beautiful war that was incredibly fun to watch! Now that the Nanny watches over, and decides outcomes, this will continue. Cheap shots galore with no retribution.

Excuse me while I go throw up!🤢
- Hokeeguy9

Flyers have Morin when he is not injured. Although their coach is a pacifist who does not really seem to believe in fighting or even hitting, so not sure if that matters. Speaking of the Flyers when the big bad bruins used to run around and create havoc, the Flyers would dump it in Orrs corner and unleash mayhem.

I would leave Wilson alone. I would not touch him. However, I would run Carlson all day. Over and over. Then OV. That’s how you make Wilson crazy. His ego will get the better of him and he will take bad penalties.

Rangers have nothing to play for now. To be clear, I loathe the Rangers, but Wilson is an absolute pot and the blue shirts should make sure that a few of the caps best players don’t see the playoffs either. That’s how you address a Tom Wilson.

I'm still not seeing the body slam that the dramatic Leftwing media keeps talking about.

the initial slam on Buch was bad. The "sucker punch" didn't seem like there's was much behind it and Panarin getting ragdolled rather than getting the snot beat out of him does not warrant a life ban.
- _jick

Wilson pinned his head into the ground with his stick and upper body. He did it for a while. That is 5 min match and a game. He then took Pans helmet off and tried to body slam his head into the ice with all of his might. He failed to crush his skull the first tome. So he tried it again. That is another 5 min match and a game. Luckily Wilson failed in his agenda to crush Pans skull. Twice.

He will eventfully end someone on the ice and the league will have blood on their hands.

Im no fan of Wilson, but I don't think it is worthy of life ban or 20 games. Maybe I don't see something in the video, but at worst it seems a bit childish, bad luck positionally and a bad match up for Panarin. If you have to do something I would say a 3 game at most, but honestly that would be more for the players history.

I don't mean to offend anyone, I just don't see this as unprovoked or premeditated malicious actions.