The fact that the Sabres are making the pick is why I want them to trade down.

They have like 4 scouts and the analytics department is probably so demoralized that they're playing doom on a graphing calculator in the basement
- jcragcrumple

Trade down so the same bad scouting department has a lesser talent pool to choose from?

i said usa hall of fame, not hockey hall of fame
- Michael Pachla

I never denied that though

it seems to me that there are five or six prospects who are real close...of course, like you said, a scouting department has much more info than you or i...that said, if there's a slight difference in the value you place on each player, why not go for a position of need?
- Michael Pachla

I wonder how much of that much more info is related to player interviews etc. and not related to game tape and stats of all kinds?

The fact that the Sabres are making the pick is why I want them to trade down.

They have like 4 scouts and the analytics department is probably so demoralized that they're playing doom on a graphing calculator in the basement
- jcragcrumple

i get that...but they really can't go wrong, even with power, whom i don't believe they'd select anyway as luke hughes might not only be better (if only slightly,) but also better for how they want their defense to activate

Trade down so the same bad scouting department has a lesser talent pool to choose from?
- kingcong39

In my thought process, the trade down would include acquiring proven NHL talent

I wonder how much of that much more info is related to player interviews etc. and not related to game tape and stats of all kinds?
- kingcong39

good question...am of the opinion that not only do they have access to the player, coaching staff and any other person in and around a player, they also have access to all tape related to said player

In my thought process, the trade down would include acquiring proven NHL talent
- jcragcrumple

do you trust them to maximize the value of a trade like that?

hypothetical

sabres have first overall...they believe (not you, i or anyone else) owen power is bpa?

do you take him?

or,

do you look at the values you've given prospects...if, for instance, beniers is rated lower than power, but not by much, do you still stick with bpa?
- Michael Pachla

No, as it is all about asset management to me.
Especially with him being a LhD...if he were RhD, then yes.
The value to the Sabres in drafting another 1st pairing LhD isn't there since they have their 1st pairing LhD on the roster, and will BBC e there for another decade-ish.

Their need is at F, high-end F.
Having another cost controlled F in the Top 6 is a critical need.

Drafting another 1st LhD is wasting an asset.
Like you say, trade it for a top 3 or 4 pick + something else.
Good Asset Management.

do you trust them to maximize the value of a trade like that?
- Michael Pachla

I think it's easier for a team to recognize NHL talent than amateur talent

I think it's easier for a team to recognize NHL talent than amateur talent
- jcragcrumple

not sure about that, as an organization the sabres have bungled that aspect for well over 10 years

No, as it is all about asset management to me.
Especially with him being a LhD...if he were RhD, then yes.
The value to the Sabres in drafting another 1st pairing LhD isn't there since they have their 1st pairing LhD on the roster, and will BBC e there for another decade-ish.

Their need is at F, high-end F.
Having another cost controlled F in the Top 6 is a critical need.

Drafting another 1st LhD is wasting an asset.
Like you say, trade it for a top 3 or 4 pick + something else.
Good Asset Management.
- IonSabres

this is an extremely difficult draft because there's really no definitive no. 1 and the top-5/6 may be very close

I think it's easier for a team to recognize NHL talent than amateur talent
- jcragcrumple

Hmmmmm.
-Girgensons 3 yr contract at 140% of FMV
-Eakins... period
-Bjork...skates fast, all flash no dance

The may have reached with the Quinn take, but they got Peterka right it looks like.

not sure about that, as an organization the sabres have bungled that aspect for well over 10 years
- Michael Pachla

I no joke read that word as "Berglund"

If Columbus calls and offers Korpi/Elvis + 5 for 1oa, I'm saying yes

I don't see how we say bad scouting department, seems the last 3 or 4 drafts have been pretty decent with the players we are seeing coming up through the system right know. The only thing right now is we have less of them. Everything should be on the table right know, from taking the pick, to trading down.

do you trust them to maximize the value of a trade like that?
- Michael Pachla

How hard would it be? They'd probably only be willing to drop down 3 or 4 spots at most. If that is true it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what the best offer is.

I don't see how we say bad scouting department, seems the last 3 or 4 drafts have been pretty decent with the players we are seeing coming up through the system right know. The only thing right now is we have less of them. Everything should be on the table right know, from taking the pick, to trading down.
- Buff36

It's hard to judge a scouting department with D0, +1's and +2's. Jason's 2017 draft seems to have been very fruitful. His 2018 draft is shaping up as well. Too early for 19 and 20.

Why isn't Jack Quinn as good as Cozens is right now? I hate him, I hope he dies.

The bold is one of the main reasons why teams consistently miss on drafting good players, in all rounds. It's a common mistake.
- kingcong39

Bold claim, but maybe.

Barring trades in this example to make the point only about BPA or need (I suspect we both would say trade to pick up additional draft capital)...
If the BPA is a QB and you have a top echelon QB would you draft him...or get the next 1 or 2 players at WR as a position of need.

Sure, they get the BPA only to have him sit on the bench for 3 or 4 years.
Which pick makes the team better? Which pick represents the best value to the team?

Again, IMO BPA only is a convenient line ised... but not executed upon hardly at all.

I no joke read that word as "Berglund"

If Columbus calls and offers Korpi/Elvis + 5 for 1oa, I'm saying yes
- jcragcrumple

me too...maybe want a little more even...they can afford it, the have three firsts this year

How hard would it be? They'd probably only be willing to drop down 3 or 4 spots at most. If that is true it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what the best offer is.
- Slump Buster

agreed, was asking crumps

Hmmmmm.
-Girgensons 3 yr contract at 140% of FMV
-Eakins... period
-Bjork...skates fast, all flash no dance

The may have reached with the Quinn take, but they got Peterka right it looks like.
- IonSabres

Quinn pick was a reach, but I'm hopeful the kid can still end up being a good top6 winger. He played fairly well in the AHL after he got going, considering he was playing with a hernia.

I no joke read that word as "Berglund"

If Columbus calls and offers Korpi/Elvis + 5 for 1oa, I'm saying yes
- jcragcrumple

Me too most likely..but would need to know their player 1st...if it is a Dman, then yes for sure.

Me too most likely..but would need to know their player 1st...if it is a Dman, then yes for sure.
- IonSabres

let's say they don't select a d-man and instead go with one of beniers, eklund, guenther, it's not hard to fathom that at least one, and probably two of the next three picks will be d-men leaving at least one of those three, plus lysell available for buffalo at 5

Hmmmmm.
-Girgensons 3 yr contract at 140% of FMV
-Eakins... period
-Bjork...skates fast, all flash no dance

The may have reached with the Quinn take, but they got Peterka right it looks like.
- IonSabres

the bjork honeymoon is over

the bjork honeymoon is over
- homiedclown

Definitely seems that way

let's say they don't select a d-man and instead go with one of beniers, eklund, guenther, it's not hard to fathom that at least one, and probably two of the next three picks will be d-men leaving at least one of those three, plus lysell available for buffalo at 5
- Michael Pachla

I agree...would just like 1 Dman selected for sure...then hope for 1 more.
Just more favorable.
That's it.