I think it makes our D better. Get it done Chuck.
- bradster

Jones would be huge on the right side.

Left D Right D
Provy Braun
Sanheim Meyers
Ghost
Zamula
York
Morin

Jones would be huge on the right side.

Left D Right D
Provy Braun
Sanheim Meyers
Ghost
Zamula
York
Morin
- bradster

It's all moot if Jones doesn't want to re-sign here.

It's all moot if Jones doesn't want to re-sign here.
- Tomahawk

ya, i guess shouldnt even try then. I know, lets just keep what we have, maybe they can turn it around. Maybe a coupld minor 3rd, 4th line changes would do the trick lol

I love the Jones isn’t perfect argument. He’s damn good and our defense is a (frank)ing clown show. I’d be ecstatic if we got a D man half as talented as him.
- hereticpride

People need to realize what they're asking for is all.

Trade Provy for Jones? The gap between them really isn't as large as some think it is. You're not getting an across the board upgrade. There are some things that Provy does better than Jones. Then you have to consider the eventual difference in cap hit between the two. Jones could get $9-10M with a NMC. Prov's locked in under $7M. Not to mention the trade cost of acquiring Jones in the first place, which will be high. So is the team really that much better off with that kind of trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Then how about sign Dougie Hamilton free and clear in UFA? Well, Ghost haters... hate to break it to you but Dougie is a big, slow elite/consistent version of Ghost. He is sublime in almost every offensive respect, but he gets beat to the outside, he turns the puck over with frequency, and he's not the most stout guy in front of his own net despite his size. Would he upgrade the defense? Of course. But he doesn't solve all our problems either. Plus the (frank)er likes museums.

Jones would be huge on the right side.

Left D Right D
Provy Braun
Sanheim Meyers
Ghost
Zamula
York
Morin
- bradster

Sure but if you trade Provorov for Jones, this doesnt look any better

Sanheim - Jones
Ghost - Myers
Zamula - Braun
York
Morin


You are still short a top pair Dman. By all means if Jones is brought in to play WITH Provorov then its a whole different story but be prepared to lose Frost. I can guarantee he will need to be part of any package for him

ya, i guess shouldnt even try then. I know, lets just keep what we have, maybe they can turn it around. Maybe a coupld minor 3rd, 4th line changes would do the trick lol
- bradster

Who said not to try?

Sure but if you trade Provorov for Jones, this doesnt look any better

Sanheim - Jones
Ghost - Myers
Zamula - Braun
York
Morin


You are still short a top pair Dman. By all means if Jones is brought in to play WITH Provorov then its a whole different story but be prepared to lose Frost. I can guarantee he will need to be part of any package for him
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

that looks better to me, and zamula could pass ghost pretty quick. There is a reason he got called up.
if he plays with provy, what are you giving up to get him. I could be on board with that too. But gotta give to get unless you can get a ufa

Who said not to try?
- Tomahawk

you made the implication when you said he might not sign here. you are trying to put up roadblocks to not even try
or you couldve said, ya lets trade for him and sign an extension

you made the implication when you said he might not sign here. you are trying to put up roadblocks to not even try
or you couldve said, ya lets trade for him and sign an extension
- bradster

He might not. If so, then it's moot, b/c Flyers aren't trading Provorov for a 1-year rental. Sorry if I'm being a wet blanket, but at some point fantasy has to meet reality.

He might not. If so, then it's moot, b/c Flyers aren't trading Provorov for a 1-year rental. Sorry if I'm being a wet blanket, but at some point fantasy has to meet reality.
- Tomahawk

So its not realistic they trade and sign him, ok. Thats your opinion.
Im moving on, i cant understand your logic where every could be a "he might not" situation. Lots of thing are possible. Remember Gretz got traded? The greatest of all time. How many people do you think that woulda been "fantasy over reality"

So its not realistic they trade and sign him, ok. Thats your opinion.
Im moving on, i cant understand your logic where every could be a "he might not" situation. Lots of thing are possible. Remember Gretz got traded? The greatest of all time. How many people do you think that woulda been "fantasy over reality"
- bradster

For this dude

All the 'might nots' go against us when we get someone else.
All the 'mights' go for us when we talk about our young players/prospects.

Best to keep that in mind.

For this dude

All the 'might nots' go against us when we get someone else.
All the 'mights' go for us when we talk about our young players/prospects.

Best to keep that in mind.
- PT21

Its just so easy to say, that wont happen, thats fantasy, cant do this, we cant trade that guy. Instead of thinking what we can do to improve. Theres a lot to work with, should be no untouchables. Our record doesnt warrant any untouchables. And i like all the players individually. but its not working. Said it before but would love to see a koneckny for reihnhart trade too. Mix it up. Similar skill, different mix

People need to realize what they're asking for is all.

Trade Provy for Jones? The gap between them really isn't as large as some think it is. You're not getting an across the board upgrade. There are some things that Provy does better than Jones. Then you have to consider the eventual difference in cap hit between the two. Jones could get $9-10M with a NMC. Prov's locked in under $7M. Not to mention the trade cost of acquiring Jones in the first place, which will be high. So is the team really that much better off with that kind of trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Then how about sign Dougie Hamilton free and clear in UFA? Well, Ghost haters... hate to break it to you but Dougie is a big, slow elite/consistent version of Ghost. He is sublime in almost every offensive respect, but he gets beat to the outside, he turns the puck over with frequency, and he's not the most stout guy in front of his own net despite his size. Would he upgrade the defense? Of course. But he doesn't solve all our problems either. Plus the (frank)er likes museums.
- Tomahawk

not gonna lie, Hamilton would probably solve a lot for you guys. Maybe not all, but a lot.

not gonna lie, Hamilton would probably solve a lot for you guys. Maybe not all, but a lot.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree, he is super skilled. and a righty. Could be a a bidding war for him, but im up for trying

So its not realistic they trade and sign him, ok. Thats your opinion.
Im moving on, i cant understand your logic where every could be a "he might not" situation. Lots of thing are possible. Remember Gretz got traded? The greatest of all time. How many people do you think that woulda been "fantasy over reality"
- bradster

Wayne was willing to re-up in LA.

Hell, he negotiated parts of the trade himself lol.

Wayne was willing to re-up in LA.

Hell, he negotiated parts of the trade himself lol.
- Tomahawk

After it was a given he was going to be traded one way or the other, nice try with the roadblock though lol

not gonna lie, Hamilton would probably solve a lot for you guys. Maybe not all, but a lot.
- stayinthefnnet

I 100% agree actually.

After it was a given he was going to be traded one way or the other, nice try with the roadblock though lol
- bradster

Oilers owner gave him a chance to nix the trade before they announced it. He said no. He wanted to go to LA.

Oilers owner gave him a chance to nix the trade before they announced it. He said no. He wanted to go to LA.
- Tomahawk

After he realized they wanted to trade him
lol, keep trying with the roadblocks MR negative

I 100% agree actually.
- Tomahawk

Large percentage of the Flyers fan base would hate him though.

Players like that with so much puck time are going to have turnovers that stick out. And one turnover that results in a goal will overshadow 15 successful breakouts / Zone entries in the recency bias evaluation.

Kris letang syndrome

People need to realize what they're asking for is all.

Trade Provy for Jones? The gap between them really isn't as large as some think it is. You're not getting an across the board upgrade. There are some things that Provy does better than Jones. Then you have to consider the eventual difference in cap hit between the two. Jones could get $9-10M with a NMC. Prov's locked in under $7M. Not to mention the trade cost of acquiring Jones in the first place, which will be high. So is the team really that much better off with that kind of trade? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Then how about sign Dougie Hamilton free and clear in UFA? Well, Ghost haters... hate to break it to you but Dougie is a big, slow elite/consistent version of Ghost. He is sublime in almost every offensive respect, but he gets beat to the outside, he turns the puck over with frequency, and he's not the most stout guy in front of his own net despite his size. Would he upgrade the defense? Of course. But he doesn't solve all our problems either. Plus the (frank)er likes museums.
- Tomahawk

When did I say trade Provy for Jones. That doesn’t do anything for us. I’d be moving Coots for him with an extension in place.

Large percentage of the Flyers fan base would hate him though.

Players like that with so much puck time are going to have turnovers that stick out. And one turnover that results in a goal will overshadow 15 successful breakouts / Zone entries in the recency bias evaluation.

Kris letang syndrome
- stayinthefnnet

For sure. He's not gonna fill that Chris Pronger-sized hole in our hearts. But he's what this team needs.

Honestly, we already have a pretty good solution in Ghost, but there's no appetite for his risk-taking by AV and the fanbase. I wonder if Hamilton would get more leeway. I have my doubts.

When did I say trade Provy for Jones. That doesn’t do anything for us. I’d be moving Coots for him with an extension in place.
- hereticpride

Think you landed in the middle of the convo. Somebody had suggested that. We were responding to that.

Eichel is a very good player, but he isn't that much better than Coots offensively no matter how much you slice it. Some context....

Since Eichel Entered the league in 2015-2016:
Eichel 375 gp, 139 g, 216 a, 355 p -69
Coots 398 gp, 125 g, 194 a, 319 p +68

And Coots demonstrably makes those who play with him better.

This is by no means a slight towards Eichel, but I think we underestimate how good Coots is. IMO he is a better all around player than Eichel.
- MBFlyerfan

Skinner on eichels wing.. 40 goals. Not on his wing 5 goals

Bumbalo with eichel in lineup... #1 pp
Without eichel in lineup... 23rd

Does coots move any needle like this? Didn’t think so

For sure. He's not gonna fill that Chris Pronger-sized hole in our hearts. But he's what this team needs.

Honestly, we already have a pretty good solution in Ghost, but there's no appetite for his risk-taking by AV and the fanbase. I wonder if Hamilton would get more leeway. I have my doubts.
- Tomahawk

I agree with the sentiment overall, but I do think ghost has taken a step back. But yeah, at 8 per long term to sign Hamilton Hed get skewered