Chiarelli gave up two top-sixty picks (one of which turned into Barzal) for D+3 Griffin Reinhart, so you never know.

Most likely, Patrick is a component of a larger trade, in lieu of draft picks or one of our better prospects.
- Tomahawk

This!

You could be right. Fletch has a lot of tough decisions to make this offseason. Making those decisions is why he gets paid the big bucks.
- mickel25

I would say, maybe biasedly, that this off season is the most important off season in Chuck Fletcher's career as an executive. What he does, or doesn't do will define him the rest of his career in hockey; he will either be labeled a genius for turning this team around, or incompetent and the cause of all this in the first place. Fair or unfair, that is how it is shaping up for CF IMO.

He was agreeing with you by pointing out that he got hit in the head by someone much smaller than Myers and was off for months.

This was in response to those who were saying that the puck wasn't shot "that hard" and therefore Patrick shouldn't have been hurt by it.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh, I apologize.

Now, I could be wrong, however, I think the majority of fans who have issues with Patrick actually have issues, for the most part, with the organization more-so than specifically the player himself. He just gets the brunt of the pissing and moaning.

He represents a missed opportunity, he represents what’s been wrong with the organization over the past decade.
- DraftandDestroy

I don’t t think this is a good excuse.

If you truly love this team, then why don't you want them to win games? Its not that people don't have sympathy for any person, whether they be a professional athlete or not. Its about a professional hockey team winning games, its about getting the best players you can and putting them in the best position to win. This entire year Patrick has been healthy and playing 13 minutes a night and about 2+ minutes on the PP. This is his 3rd full season in the league. Its not unsympathetic to state what he is based on his actual play, and the results have not been good for him nor the team. Yes its bummer Patrick got hurt. Yes its a bummer that Patrick was a waste of the 2nd overall pick it the draft. But the bottom line is if you love a team, you want them to win, and the reality is Patrick is one of the reasons this team does not win that much!
- jd250

saying it is his 3rd full season just doesn't give a fair and honest picture and you should know that. 2 full season at 30 and 31 points, the 1 full year off and then a 52 game covid season. I will leave out the medical issues

I would say, maybe biasedly, that this off season is the most important off season in Chuck Fletcher's career as an executive. What he does, or doesn't do will define him the rest of his career in hockey; he will either be labeled a genius for turning this team around, or incompetent and the cause of all this in the first place. Fair or unfair, that is how it is shaping up for CF IMO.
- jd250

Yes because everyone is defined by one moment.....


Fletcher isnt going to do much. He doesnt have the Flexibility to make a major move. I really dont understand how despite most posters reiterating the fact that what the Flyers CAN do is extremely limited due to the flat cap that people are just not getting.

You arent moving JVR or Voracek without taking Cap back. Giroux and Hayes have NMC\NTCs. Seattle is not likely going to take JVR or Voracek.

Trading Couturier or Provorov is idiotic

That Leaves Farabee, NoPa, Lindblom, NAK, Allison, Frost, Laughton Konecny, Twarynski, Laczynski, Cates, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Ghost and Braun, Zamula

What player there being moved is considered a shakeup?

We have 10 mill in potential cap space with Sanheim, NoPa, Hart as RFAs and no backup G

At most he might be able to take a run at a FA Dman to try and fill that #2 slot but aside from that, you are looking at the same team next season

saying it is his 3rd full season just doesn't give a fair and honest picture and you should know that. 2 full season at 30 and 31 points, the 1 full year off and then a 52 game covid season. I will leave out the medical issues
- wcorvette

I would agree if he showed improvement from his 1st to 2nd year. But he didn't. I haven't seen anything from NP in his entire pro career that makes me think he could be a good player. However I still think he is worth keeping, hoping he can do something because you arent getting anything for him. .....and yes you can hope someone hires chiraeli to maybe give up good assets for him. But citing exceptions to the rule dont fly in my book. At least NP will be cheap next year.

I would say, maybe biasedly, that this off season is the most important off season in Chuck Fletcher's career as an executive. What he does, or doesn't do will define him the rest of his career in hockey; he will either be labeled a genius for turning this team around, or incompetent and the cause of all this in the first place. Fair or unfair, that is how it is shaping up for CF IMO.
- jd250

He’s not going to do anything. He did Laughton ahead of time. That’ll be about it

Yes because everyone is defined by one moment.....


Fletcher isnt going to do much. He doesnt have the Flexibility to make a major move. I really dont understand how despite most posters reiterating the fact that what the Flyers CAN do is extremely limited due to the flat cap that people are just not getting.

You arent moving JVR or Voracek without taking Cap back. Giroux and Hayes have NMC\NTCs. Seattle is not likely going to take JVR or Voracek.

Trading Couturier or Provorov is idiotic

That Leaves Farabee, NoPa, Lindblom, NAK, Allison, Frost, Laughton Konecny, Twarynski, Laczynski, Cates, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Ghost and Braun, Zamula

What player there being moved is considered a shakeup?

We have 10 mill in potential cap space with Sanheim, NoPa, Hart as RFAs and no backup G

At most he might be able to take a run at a FA Dman to try and fill that #2 slot but aside from that, you are looking at the same team next season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Agree with your post but I wouldn’t say moving coots is idiotic. He is the type of commodity that can change the course of the team if you deal him. And he could be dealt to practically anyone.

I do not think this regime wants to do anything like that Bc they are just status quo. But he is the only piece on the roster that you can move that would be a seismic change

Yes because everyone is defined by one moment.....


Fletcher isnt going to do much. He doesnt have the Flexibility to make a major move. I really dont understand how despite most posters reiterating the fact that what the Flyers CAN do is extremely limited due to the flat cap that people are just not getting.

You arent moving JVR or Voracek without taking Cap back. Giroux and Hayes have NMC\NTCs. Seattle is not likely going to take JVR or Voracek.

Trading Couturier or Provorov is idiotic

That Leaves Farabee, NoPa, Lindblom, NAK, Allison, Frost, Laughton Konecny, Twarynski, Laczynski, Cates, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Ghost and Braun, Zamula

What player there being moved is considered a shakeup?

We have 10 mill in potential cap space with Sanheim, NoPa, Hart as RFAs and no backup G

At most he might be able to take a run at a FA Dman to try and fill that #2 slot but aside from that, you are looking at the same team next season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He's not? So a few tweaks then click heels together and hope this underachieving group of lolly gagers turns it around. Sounds like an awesome plan..

Yes because everyone is defined by one moment.....


Fletcher isnt going to do much. He doesnt have the Flexibility to make a major move. I really dont understand how despite most posters reiterating the fact that what the Flyers CAN do is extremely limited due to the flat cap that people are just not getting.

You arent moving JVR or Voracek without taking Cap back. Giroux and Hayes have NMC\NTCs. Seattle is not likely going to take JVR or Voracek.

Trading Couturier or Provorov is idiotic

That Leaves Farabee, NoPa, Lindblom, NAK, Allison, Frost, Laughton Konecny, Twarynski, Laczynski, Cates, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Ghost and Braun, Zamula

What player there being moved is considered a shakeup?

We have 10 mill in potential cap space with Sanheim, NoPa, Hart as RFAs and no backup G

At most he might be able to take a run at a FA Dman to try and fill that #2 slot but aside from that, you are looking at the same team next season
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I dont understand this thinking at all. Why cant things be done, why would moving provy idiotic? What if a provy + for seth jones. is that idiotic?

Especially Giroux
- jd250

especially giroux

Not idiotic, but I would not do it.

I would trade anyone from defense beside Provy to get that stud on first pair.
You have Sanheim, Myers and Ghos to combine with anyone from forwards to pull such deal. York and Zamula can try next season as third pair.
If you have a great 1st pair, the rest will fall into place itself.

Now Voracek needs to go, even with retaining salary. Eithe him or Giroux and that would be - idiotic. So Voracek is as good as gone in summer. If CF can't get it done, he should resign now, to allow new GM to do the job!!!
More trades - fine tuning are needed, as you need 1-2 young players from LHV. Kids need to get promoted, there is enough bad players on current roster to replace/get rid of.

The good thing is there are options, and possibility to turn things around quickly. Like we did when Homer took over :-)

I would agree if he showed improvement from his 1st to 2nd year. But he didn't. I haven't seen anything from NP in his entire pro career that makes me think he could be a good player. However I still think he is worth keeping, hoping he can do something because you arent getting anything for him. .....and yes you can hope someone hires chiraeli to maybe give up good assets for him. But citing exceptions to the rule dont fly in my book. At least NP will be cheap next year.
- bradster

He hasn’t shown much improvement at all. It’s tough as an 18-19 year old, but he is in his 3rd season. (4th if you consider his year off)....when your lacking any ....like any....offensive game you need to be able to help out on the other side of the puck. He simply offers nothing at this point. He’s been a liability when he does play. Defensive hockey is all about work ethic, paying a price ....he simply isn’t willing to pay the price on that side of the puck. Agreed they can’t or shouldn’t make him available in the upcoming expansion draft but it has absolutely nothing to do with his play up until this point and only that the organization drafted him so high. This organization has way too many excuses for this team....simple fact is they aren’t a very good hockey team.

He's not? So a few tweaks then click heels together and hope this underachieving group of lolly gagers turns it around. Sounds like an awesome plan..
- PLindbergh31

If Fletcher is quiet this off season then he’d better hope they turn it around, because he won’t get another chance if they suck again.....he ‘ll be out.

I would agree if he showed improvement from his 1st to 2nd year. But he didn't. I haven't seen anything from NP in his entire pro career that makes me think he could be a good player. However I still think he is worth keeping, hoping he can do something because you arent getting anything for him. .....and yes you can hope someone hires chiraeli to maybe give up good assets for him. But citing exceptions to the rule dont fly in my book. At least NP will be cheap next year.
- bradster

don't disagree and there is little to no risk with him just butt hurt feelings.

Any guess on Coots first 4 years from a points perspective

12 27
13 15 only 46 games
14 39
15 37

didnt break 39 till 17-18, now he was a shut down guy and way ahead of Patrick there..

I dont understand this thinking at all. Why cant things be done, why would moving provy idiotic? What if a provy + for seth jones. is that idiotic?
- bradster

Yes it would.

What does that address? Nothing! You are in the exact same position as before. A top pair D with no one to play with

Yes it would.

What does that address? Nothing! You are in the exact same position as before. A top pair D with no one to play with
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

It addresses having a better defense. Seems pretty easy to me. Unless you think Provy is better than Jones, which I don't think its even that close. Provy makes a lot of mistakes.

Agree with your post but I wouldn’t say moving coots is idiotic. He is the type of commodity that can change the course of the team if you deal him. And he could be dealt to practically anyone.

I do not think this regime wants to do anything like that Bc they are just status quo. But he is the only piece on the roster that you can move that would be a seismic change
- Just5

Moving Coots is basically starting the rebuild from scratch.

Moving Coots is basically starting the rebuild from scratch.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes, you and I think completely different. What if you moved couts + for Eichel. Why do you only see us as losing a decent player, and not gaining anything in trades?

Moving Coots is basically starting the rebuild from scratch.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

and he has no term on his deal, so what are they getting back? dumb.

It addresses having a better defense. Seems pretty easy to me. Unless you think Provy is better than Jones, which I don't think its even that close. Provy makes a lot of mistakes.
- bradster

He's also 24 years old and like I mentioned doesnt have a solid D partner. No one was crying about Provorov last year with Niskanen as his D partner. Niskanen was no Norris trophy Dman. He was just competent

You can replace Provorov with any Dman out there, its not going to make a difference when his D partner is Ghost or Braun

He's also 24 years old and like I mentioned doesnt have a solid D partner. No one was crying about Provorov last year with Niskanen as his D partner. Niskanen was no Norris trophy Dman. He was just competent

You can replace Provorov with any Dman out there, its not going to make a difference when his D partner is Ghost or Braun
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Disagree. There are plenty of D that would be an upgrade over Provy. And thats why he shouldnt be untouchable. The goal is trying to make the team better, and nothing should be off the table.

and he has no term on his deal, so what are they getting back? dumb.
- Ftown19125

Could always pull another Jeff Carter lol. Sign Coots until eternity, then trade him to Columbus before it kicks in.

Yes, you and I think completely different. What if you moved couts + for Eichel. Why do you only see us as losing a decent player, and not gaining anything in trades?
- bradster

Because I live in reality.

1) Next season is Couturiers last year on his current contract. You arent getting Eichel for a rental.

2) Why on earth would Couturier sign with Buffalo

3) We does this cap room for Eichel come from.

4) You call Couturier a "decent player" so why on earth would Buffalo trade Eichel for a "decent player+" Buffalo is not going to move Eichel unless it makes them a better team.