We may not have to go the UFA route this year, there will be moves made with Zadarov and possibly Strome, plus others. I’m thinking there will be some assets coming back besides picks when it’s all said and done, plus maybe Toews, we’ll have to wait and see what the results are from off season transactions.

I, like many others, am critical of Stan Bowman for some of the various moves he's made over the years however, expecting Stan to be able to foresee when a player will have a career ending injury is not one of them.

And what were those offers for Strome and Zad? Please be specific with verified sources.
- Rota's Rooter

shaw had Concussions issues with us and Montreal so and knowing the way he plays it seemed pretty likely over the 3 years of his contract that he was going to have more issues. With Seabs he as already slwoing down. unlike keith or hossa at 30-31 so somebody could look at that and figure that he was not going to be a top paring guy for much of his contract. Its turned out way worse then anybody could have projected but even modest declines which anybody could have projected he was going to be overpaid very very quickly on a 8 year deal.

No idea what the offers were for ZADS and strome but what ever they were they are probably going to be less IMO. trade deadline is when you gernally get the most and they both have been scratched since.

We may not have to go the UFA route this year, there will be moves made with Zadarov and possibly Strome, plus others. I’m thinking there will be some assets coming back besides picks when it’s all said and done, plus maybe Toews, we’ll have to wait and see what the results are from off season transactions.
- Angotti

So he replaces Kampf at 4C?

Hoping he's healthy and ready to go but wondering what that will all look like after a year away from hockey.

If he can come back at the level he left would obviously be huge for the Hawks.

shaw had Concussions issues with us and Montreal so and knowing the way he plays it seemed pretty likely over the 3 years of his contract that he was going to have more issues. With Seabs he as already slwoing down. unlike keith or hossa at 30-31 so somebody could look at that and figure that he was not going to be a top paring guy for much of his contract. Its turned out way worse then anybody could have projected but even modest declines which anybody could have projected he was going to be overpaid very very quickly on a 8 year deal.

No idea what the offers were for ZADS and strome but what ever they were they are probably going to be less IMO. trade deadline is when you gernally get the most and they both have been scratched since.
- kmw4631

1.) Would Mr. Marketing, McD have allowed Stan to trade Seabs or let him walk? In the middle of the good years?

2.) How would the rest of the core guys have reacted if Seabs were let go?

Often, posters will say, "I just wouldn't have paid him that much". Lol.... That means you had to be ready to trade him or let him walk. See 1 and 2 above.

shaw had Concussions issues with us and Montreal so and knowing the way he plays it seemed pretty likely over the 3 years of his contract that he was going to have more issues. With Seabs he as already slwoing down. unlike keith or hossa at 30-31 so somebody could look at that and figure that he was not going to be a top paring guy for much of his contract. Its turned out way worse then anybody could have projected but even modest declines which anybody could have projected he was going to be overpaid very very quickly on a 8 year deal.

No idea what the offers were for ZADS and strome but what ever they were they are probably going to be less IMO. trade deadline is when you gernally get the most and they both have been scratched since.
- kmw4631

First off, Shaw was an asset when he was on the ice. I am sure Bowman knew Shaw's history when he made the trade. At the time, Bowman said he wanted to change the dynamic in the dressing room, which he apparently does (did). The trade basically gave back to Montreal one of the 2 second rounders Montreal gave us to acquire Shaw. If this and Seabrook are the 2 horrible trade/contracts you are referring to, then if you look at any other GM with more than 2 years on the job, all of them should be fired.

That's the caveat with Strome (Toews being ready to go) though I just don't think he's a good fit for what Colliton's trying to do. He still gets separated from the puck way too easily and it just seems rare whatever line he's on is able to establish any kind of forecheck.

I like the two guys you mention depending on what the Cap hit would be.
- HawkintheD

Colliton just laid out in ultra high definition format for all of us what he thinks of Dylan Strome and his woosy ass efforts night after night.

Against a team the Hawks had so much trouble scoring against and gaining puck possession, he healthy scratches Strome twice and goes with 7D and 3 centers - one of whom was Kampf who has no offensive skill at all. But dresses Carpenter too.

Dylan is going to be pushing the baby buggy elsewhere as soon as (or if) they can dump him on some desperate team. Timing is everything, he extracted $6M out of Stan because Toews and Dach weren't available in January.

TV deal is done.

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shaw had Concussions issues with us and Montreal so and knowing the way he plays it seemed pretty likely over the 3 years of his contract that he was going to have more issues. With Seabs he as already slwoing down. unlike keith or hossa at 30-31 so somebody could look at that and figure that he was not going to be a top paring guy for much of his contract. Its turned out way worse then anybody could have projected but even modest declines which anybody could have projected he was going to be overpaid very very quickly on a 8 year deal.

No idea what the offers were for ZADS and strome but what ever they were they are probably going to be less IMO. trade deadline is when you gernally get the most and they both have been scratched since.
- kmw4631

So there may have been no offers then for either player. Or it could have been Strome for a 7th and then you'd complain that Stan sold too low. Just stop Tuesday morning GMing if you have no facts.

Every GM in any sport is going to make a bad deal. Every single one. You just hope your GM makes less mistakes.

You think Tampa is having 2nd thoughts paying Stamkos $8mil when he can't seem to stay healthy?

Take a look at cap friendly and see which players are on LTIR on the teams. The only GMs who haven't FUBARed a deal just haven't been doing it long enough.

So there may have been no offers then for either player. Or it could have been Strome for a 7th and then you'd complain that Stan sold too low. Just stop Tuesday morning GMing if you have no facts.

Every GM in any sport is going to make a bad deal. Every single one. You just hope your GM makes less mistakes.

You think Tampa is having 2nd thoughts paying Stamkos $8mil when he can't seem to stay healthy?

Take a look at cap friendly and see which players are on LTIR on the teams. The only GMs who haven't FUBARed a deal just haven't been doing it long enough.
- Rota's Rooter

Or bought out. How about the Kings signing at 30 Drew Doughty to a $11 million 8 year contract. He is starting to show the wear and tear also, not exactly at Keith/Seabrook decline, but he is only 31, wait 3 more years.

First off, Shaw was an asset when he was on the ice. I am sure Bowman knew Shaw's history when he made the trade. At the time, Bowman said he wanted to change the dynamic in the dressing room, which he apparently does (did). The trade basically gave back to Montreal one of the 2 second rounders Montreal gave us to acquire Shaw. If this and Seabrook are the 2 horrible trade/contracts you are referring to, then if you look at any other GM with more than 2 years on the job, all of them should be fired.
- LAHawk

Not only that, but the fanbase loved Shaw and I'll speak for myself, was very happy when Bowman brought him back. Smith (partly to unload Anisimov), Carpenter and Shaw were brought in to change the locker room dynamic. Unfortunately, our D still played like they do now no matter what the leadership or how many times Crow and Lehner stood on their heads.

In any event, wish Shaw the best in retirement. That line of Shaw, Kruegar and Dejardins was my favorite 4th line of all time. Loved what he brought to the team.

Or bought out. How about the Kings signing at 30 Drew Doughty to a $11 million 8 year contract. He is starting to show the wear and tear also, not exactly at Keith/Seabrook decline, but he is only 31, wait 3 more years.
- LAHawk

The Islanders are still paying Rick DiPietro $1.5mil every year until 28-29.

Or bought out. How about the Kings signing at 30 Drew Doughty to a $11 million 8 year contract. He is starting to show the wear and tear also, not exactly at Keith/Seabrook decline, but he is only 31, wait 3 more years.
- LAHawk

Doughty has had kind of a career resurrection this season.

The Islanders are still paying Rick DiPietro $1.5mil every year until 28-29.
- Rota's Rooter

I just like that Kyle Turris is being paid $2M not to play for the Preds for another 7 years.

Doughty has had kind of a career resurrection this season.
- GPHawksfan

Yeah kind of, but he is not a top 3 defenseman in the league anymore.

I just like that Kyle Turris is being paid $2M not to play for the Preds for another 7 years.
- HawkintheD

And that deal is courtesy of the "walks-on-water" GM David Poile.

And that deal is courtesy of the "walks-on-water" GM David Poile.
- Rota's Rooter

He did pull that coach, can't remember his name, out of NJ's garbage who has them playing quite well. Agree though, the talent they have upfront doesn't doesn't seem to match their success at least on paper. But having Soros, bolstered by Josi, Ellis and Elkholm is enviable backend.

He did pull that coach, can't remember his name, out of NJ's garbage who has them playing quite well. Agree though, the talent they have upfront doesn't doesn't seem to match their success at least on paper. But having Soros, bolstered by Josi, Ellis and Elkholm is enviable backend.
- Popsghostly

Nashville has always been a defense 1st team. They were always a PIA to play against when Trots was there and they still are.

To me they are/were always running on an internal budget. They always seemed to prioritize defense and goaltending.

And that deal is courtesy of the "walks-on-water" GM David Poile.
- Rota's Rooter

Well, we all know that even though he's never won a Cup he's better than our silver spoon, asleep at the wheel GM.

Per Powers, Strome back in and Lankinen in net tonight.

I didn't even mention Entwhistle and R. Johnson as centers. I think next year is different than this year. Janmark, Walmark, Soderberg weren't blocking anyone from playing in the bigs, they were filler. Well now we have a lot of young prospects that we have to see if they are NHL ready or not. As pointed out, without Toews, the hawks have approximately 7 centers that spent time in the league last year, plus Borgstrom, plus possibly Reichel in a year.

Lets not do what Detroit did, and what we did when we were filling with Kunitz, Manning, etc. etc. At some point you have to see whether your young players can play. We found out a lot about our young players this year (mostly positive). I would hate to see Borgstrom sent down, or get limited ice time because he would be blocked by a UFA. If he needs seasoning, fine, we still have Dach, Suter, Kurashev, Kampf, and possibly Strome. Maybe kurashev can become a #2 center, lets find out what we have rather than spend for a UFA because we have some cap space.
- LAHawk

Entwhistle, meh, what's he done in the AHL to think he can help move the needle in the NHL?Seems nothing but a replacement for somebody else we don't like. Bring him up and in three years we'll want him out of the way to give somebody else a chance. I don't see him being a difference maker not excited.

Entwhistle, meh, what's he done in the AHL to think he can help move the needle in the NHL?Seems nothing but a replacement for somebody else we don't like. Bring him up and in three years we'll want him out of the way to give somebody else a chance. I don't see him being a difference maker not excited.
- rpeters01

Well if he scores 2 goals a year, he is 100% better than Kampf.

TV deal is done.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...es-on-tnt-tbs/c-324075352

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- mohel

Lots of games on TV, if you can get the various cable / streaming services.

The 1,000 out of market streamed games on ESPN+ - is that a replacement for Center Ice, or for the NHL TV streaming service?

Yeah kind of, but he is not a top 3 defenseman in the league anymore.
- LAHawk

Nope definitely not. But playing well again.

He did pull that coach, can't remember his name, out of NJ's garbage who has them playing quite well. Agree though, the talent they have upfront doesn't doesn't seem to match their success at least on paper. But having Soros, bolstered by Josi, Ellis and Elkholm is enviable backend.
- Popsghostly

I'm glad this was said. On the subject of coaches, John Hynes didn't do a thing in NJ, but has NSH playing very well.

Q couldn't get the depleted Hawks into the PO's, and barely got FLA in last year (this year, they are lights out).

Can we all please agree that you need both good coaching, AND a good roster to be competitive? Can we also agree that the current state of the Hawks roster is not competitive?

Also... please stop calling him Soros, it is Saros. I keep picturing a really old rich guy between the pipes.

Lots of games on TV, if you can get the various cable / streaming services.

The 1,000 out of market streamed games on ESPN+ - is that a replacement for Center Ice, or for the NHL TV streaming service?
- StLBravesFan

Looks like ESPN+ replaces NHL.TV. Not sure about Centre Ice.