If you really wants to shake up the core, why not just release Maurice and have Seattle sign him and while we are at it, ask Wheeler to waive his NMC so that he can be taken by the Kraken.

Win-win situation. Ron Francis apparently really like Maurice and so does Wheeler. Judging by Scheifele, Hellebyuck and Copp’s comments of late, they do not really seem to think too highly of uncle Paul.
- TheUltimateJet

Ultimate. I have had similar thoughts but they came in a slightly different way. My assumption is that a good coach should be able to come up with a game plan to adapt to McDavid and the Oilers' recent dominance of the Jets. Maurice says the Leafs and Jets have found a new gear while the Jets rested at home. Well ,if the Jets get beaten by the Oilers in the 1st round then he will be fired, because he was unable to adapt his system to the Oiler's run and gun offence. At that point, a deal may be cut with the Kraken beforehand.

It took injuries to Ehlers and Lowry for Maurice to finally roll Scheifele-PLD-Stastny down the middle. Nice to also see Appleton and Copp finally getting rewarded for their stellar play. Too bad it took injuries for all that to happen.
- TheUltimateJet

those lines were a huge mistake. none are good enough to put the puck in the net or defend. Lines need to be built with a purpose unless you are team Canada.

edit: line 4 was good & wheeler looked better.

If you really wants to shake up the core, why not just release Maurice and have Seattle sign him and while we are at it, ask Wheeler to waive his NMC so that he can be taken by the Kraken.

Win-win situation. Ron Francis apparently really like Maurice and so does Wheeler. Judging by Scheifele, Hellebyuck and Copp’s comments of late, they do not really seem to think too highly of uncle Paul.
- TheUltimateJet

this is almost my word for word ask anything for Murat question i submitted yesterday for the athletic, where i added, how do we make this happen. we are on the same page ultimate

I think Scheifele is a very good player, one of the best in the league. Top 20 for sure.
Eichel though is 4 years younger and could be top 5 in the league, he is that good in my opinion
- Rang

I like Eichel and agree he "could " be as well. but i think the age benefit isn't enough of a gap nor is top 5 to say top 20 to add all the pieces you and others assume need to be added to sheifele here, in my opinion anyway.

either way, i dont see Buffalo trading him, nor should they.

I think Scheifele is a very good player, one of the best in the league. Top 20 for sure.
Eichel though is 4 years younger and could be top 5 in the league, he is that good in my opinion
- Rang

I like Eichel and agree he "could " be as well. but i think the age benefit isn't enough of a gap nor is top 5 to say top 20 to add all the pieces you and others assume need to be added to sheifele here, in my opinion anyway.

either way, i dont see Buffalo trading him, nor should they, but if forced to, I also Just can not see any team coming with an offer with a piece like sheifele included.

those lines were a huge mistake. none are good enough to put the puck in the net or defend. Lines need to be built with a purpose unless you are team Canada.

edit: line 4 was good & wheeler looked better.
- 2.0

There was nothing wrong with those lines, the Jets forwards just aren't as good as we thought they were.

Wheeler looks beyond done, there's nothing left in the tank, I'm not kidding in saying this but he and Harkins should swap spots in the lineup.

I like Eichel and agree he "could " be as well. but i think the age benefit isn't enough of a gap nor is top 5 to say top 20 to add all the pieces you and others assume need to be added to sheifele here, in my opinion anyway.

either way, i dont see Buffalo trading him, nor should they, but if forced to, I also Just can not see any team coming with an offer with a piece like sheifele included.
- Ross77

Sheif gets benched for less than one period and suddenly everyone wants to trade him. The kid gets better every single year and is all about improving himself and every aspect of his game. A hockey nerd is a self-described term for him. He has a very favorable contract cap wise and has also gotten noticeably faster this year.

I'll also add to the fact that he likely wants to stay with one team his whole career and preaches to other NHL players how wonderful it is to play in Winnipeg. So he is also a great ambassador for the team and the city .

All this and yet guys on here want to trade him for an underperforming American-born player. This is one of the worst clueless threads I have ever read on the Jets here on Hockey Buzz. It's pure blasphemy in so many ways.

I hope Sheif remains here his whole career. This is nonsense talk.

Sheif gets benched for less than one period and suddenly everyone wants to trade him. The kid gets better every single year and is all about improving himself and every aspect of his game. A hockey nerd is a self-described term for him. He has a very favorable contract cap wise and has also gotten noticeably faster this year.

I'll also add to the fact that he likely wants to stay with one team his whole career and preaches to other NHL players how wonderful it is to play in Winnipeg. So he is also a great ambassador for the team and the city .

All this and yet guys on here want to trade him for an underperforming American-born player. This is one of the worst clueless threads I have ever read on the Jets here on Hockey Buzz. It's pure blasphemy in so many ways.

I hope Sheif remains here his whole career. This is nonsense talk.
- jetsnation

sorry Jetsnation, i have to disagree.

I never said I wanted to trade him. I want to change up our core and how we are doing things, but am always open to trading ANYONE IF IT IMPROVES OUR TEAM. there are options in doing so, Maurice and coaching staff changed is the easiest. Wheeler needs to accept a new lesser role, he will never be the same gain, age has caught him! 44 is not as good as we thought/hoped.

most importantly and by all means feel free to disagree but i have it on a very high level inside the organization authority, Sheifele is the hardest player this organization has to deal with !!!! For what its worth, Morrisey and Lowry are the best according to the same source. Sheifele hates his contract, hates he cant do anything about it, and most importantly he wants more recognition around the league that he feels he misses out on in Winnipeg. he is not happy and will leave as soon as he can.

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I have to agree that it's just TSN looking for easy readership numbers. I think both teams would rather stay healthy and realize an bad injury could occur to either side. Breaking a hand on a helmet in a fight is just not worth the risk at this time of year. Who wins this particular game has very little meaning.
- justsaying

I disagree. You are not wrong, but from the Jets standpoint, you want the leafs gripping their sticks a little tighter when they are playing the Jets. The leafs high end talent is getting way too many free passes in the corners and behind the net. I know they can be elusive, but these games that don't mean a ton down the stretch can absolutely be used to set a tone. Not saying the should jump marner and matthews, but finish every hit hard, let them go into the corners first, and get in their faces in the hopes of generating some emotion from their big boys.

Sheif gets benched for less than one period and suddenly everyone wants to trade him. The kid gets better every single year and is all about improving himself and every aspect of his game. A hockey nerd is a self-described term for him. He has a very favorable contract cap wise and has also gotten noticeably faster this year.

I'll also add to the fact that he likely wants to stay with one team his whole career and preaches to other NHL players how wonderful it is to play in Winnipeg. So he is also a great ambassador for the team and the city .

All this and yet guys on here want to trade him for an underperforming American-born player. This is one of the worst clueless threads I have ever read on the Jets here on Hockey Buzz. It's pure blasphemy in so many ways.

I hope Sheif remains here his whole career. This is nonsense talk.
- jetsnation

Sheifs is the model of consistency. He with McD for most games to record at least one point. He strips guys of the puck and bats down every puck that should go by him. Add that he is half the AAV of any Centre that may be considered better than him (excluding MacKinnon), and he is one of the most valuable players in the league. If you don't want him, my devs will give you any 2 players you want for him guarenteed!

There was nothing wrong with those lines, the Jets forwards just aren't as good as we thought they were.

Wheeler looks beyond done, there's nothing left in the tank, I'm not kidding in saying this but he and Harkins should swap spots in the lineup.
- JetFuel

Probably a fair statement. Harkins through people like a truck lastnight. I like his game. Maybe a stint with lesser TOI would benefit Wheels. He has looked like Billy-Bob after his 7th concussion at moments, bobbling easy passes and making the odd bizarre move. I am not concerned about him going forward, as he still racks up the points, and his buyout option after the end of next season is very reasonable. (4 years at 2.5M AAV)

sorry Jetsnation, i have to disagree.

I never said I wanted to trade him. I want to change up our core and how we are doing things, but am always open to trading ANYONE IF IT IMPROVES OUR TEAM. there are options in doing so, Maurice and coaching staff changed is the easiest. Wheeler needs to accept a new lesser role, he will never be the same gain, age has caught him! 44 is not as good as we thought/hoped.

most importantly and by all means feel free to disagree but i have it on a very high level inside the organization authority, Sheifele is the hardest player this organization has to deal with !!!! For what its worth, Morrisey and Lowry are the best according to the same source. Sheifele hates his contract, hates he cant do anything about it, and most importantly he wants more recognition around the league that he feels he misses out on in Winnipeg. he is not happy and will leave as soon as he can.
- Ross77

I have connections to check this out although it will take time. My belief is that this team totally blows up without Scheif. Wheeler might be a different story though. His play has definitely been very sub-par this year and being one of the league elite passers does not give him a free pass for his beyond terrible defence.

those lines were a huge mistake. none are good enough to put the puck in the net or defend. Lines need to be built with a purpose unless you are team Canada.

edit: line 4 was good & wheeler looked better.
- 2.0

They were a huge mistake when they were done from a place of desperation. They should have been implemented when both Ehlers and Lowry were healthy. Uncle Paul does not have the foresight to figure these things out beforehand, unfortunately.

this is almost my word for word ask anything for Murat question i submitted yesterday for the athletic, where i added, how do we make this happen. we are on the same page ultimate
- Ross77

Right on Ross77.

I have connections to check this out although it will take time. My belief is that this team totally blows up without Scheif. Wheeler might be a different story though. His play has definitely been very sub-par this year and being one of the league elite passers does not give him a free pass for his beyond terrible defence.
- jetsnation

Wheeler is a power play specialist and a third line winger at this point in his career.

It’s unfortunate that no matter how well players like Appleton, Copp, Ehlers, Harkins, Vesalainen all play they cannot supersede Wheeler from his spot. Maurice has created an atmosphere of entitlement in that locker room.

Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin have gone through 5 different coaches since entering the NHL. No coach has coached Crosby for more than 6 years. Crosby and Malkin have also won cups under different coaches. Ovechkin is on his 7th coach. And, all the coaches that coached these players won multiple division titles and Presidents Trophies. What has Maurice won with this team?

But here in Winnipeg, its unfortunate that guys like Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey, Hellebyuck, Copp, etc... have nothing else to compare their coaching experiences to than Uncle Paul. I can just sense the frustration that’s building under the surface. Realistically do Maurice lovers really want to see this man coach Heinola and Perfetti? Holy smokes!!!!

Just reading through this thread I think some of you are over reacting.

Yes, you are in a slump. It happens
Yes, when you're in it, the world seems dark.
Yes, you still have probably the deepest forwards in the Canadian division ( maybe my Leafs are deeper, maybe not)
Yes, you probably have the best goalie
Yes, your defense is below average.

Anything can and will happen over the last few games and the playoffs. Wouldn't surprise me if you got swept in the first round if McDavid is on fire.
Also wouldn't surprise me if you won the Canadian Division.
It would surprise me if you beat Tampa, or Carolina

Just reading through this thread I think some of you are over reacting.

Yes, you are in a slump. It happens
Yes, when you're in it, the world seems dark.
Yes, you still have probably the deepest forwards in the Canadian division ( maybe my Leafs are deeper, maybe not)
Yes, you probably have the best goalie
Yes, your defense is below average.

Anything can and will happen over the last few games and the playoffs. Wouldn't surprise me if you got swept in the first round if McDavid is on fire.
Also wouldn't surprise me if you won the Canadian Division.
It would surprise me if you beat Tampa, or Carolina
- Rang

Wel said. This accurately sums up my philosophy on the Jets since mid-season with the one exception is I substituted Carolina for Colorado.

Just reading through this thread I think some of you are over reacting.

Yes, you are in a slump. It happens
Yes, when you're in it, the world seems dark.
Yes, you still have probably the deepest forwards in the Canadian division ( maybe my Leafs are deeper, maybe not)
Yes, you probably have the best goalie
Yes, your defense is below average.

Anything can and will happen over the last few games and the playoffs. Wouldn't surprise me if you got swept in the first round if McDavid is on fire.
Also wouldn't surprise me if you won the Canadian Division.
It would surprise me if you beat Tampa, or Carolina
- Rang

I don't think it's a slump, I think it's what the Jets really are.
They're without Lowry who shelters Schiefele and Ehlers who's one of the few Jets forwards who can actually generate any offense so without those two things are a bit different but really this was going to happen at some point even if those two were in the lineup.
-The Jets forwards are overrated, there's more 3rd liners then true top 6 talent, good 3rd liners though, the Leafs have a better and more balanced group of forwards.
-He may have one the Vezina but he sure gives the opposition a head start quite often, any time he leaves his crease to stop the puck on a dump in it could be disastrous, he lets in a fair amount of softies as well.
-One of the worst defense's in the league, bottom 5 for sure.
-I'll be surprised if they get out of the first round but it's true, anything can happen.

I will now get lambasted by the positivity police for my comment... Lol

Wel said. This accurately sums up my philosophy on the Jets since mid-season with the one exception is I substituted Carolina for Colorado.
- jetsnation

I was only thinking Eastern conference but yes Colorado, Vegas are a whole different story. Not to mention in the east Boston , Washington, Florida will be tough to beat.
In any case , as far as my team goes, just try and win a single round for the first time in forever.

Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin have gone through 5 different coaches since entering the NHL. No coach has coached Crosby for more than 6 years. Crosby and Malkin have also won cups under different coaches. Ovechkin is on his 7th coach. And, all the coaches that coached these players won multiple division titles and Presidents Trophies. What has Maurice won with this team?

But here in Winnipeg, its unfortunate that guys like Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Morrissey, Hellebyuck, Copp, etc... have nothing else to compare their coaching experiences to than Uncle Paul. I can just sense the frustration that’s building under the surface. Realistically do Maurice lovers really want to see this man coach Heinola and Perfetti? Holy smokes!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

I am and have been a Maurice supporter - though I was not a fan of the hiring at the time he won me over.

I have also stated my achievement expectations of the Jets at least twice in the past and he passed the bar on both occassions. My expectation this year is that we finish 1st or 2nd in the North, win a round and compete like hell in the 2nd round, possibly winning. Anything less and it is time to move on and take our chances with the next coach.

I am and have been a Maurice supporter - though I was not a fan of the hiring at the time he won me over.

I have also stated my achievement expectations of the Jets at least twice in the past and he passed the bar on both occassions. My expectation this year is that we finish 1st or 2nd in the North, win a round and compete like hell in the 2nd round, possibly winning. Anything less and it is time to move on and take our chances with the next coach.
- 2.0

With the way Uncle Paul has this team playing, looks like this is closer to reality than anything else.

I really felt this team could win a cup this year, especially since we were not playing our central division rivals. It’s disappointing that will not happen. It’s also disappointing that none of the Maurice lovers are able to explain why his penalty kill consistently finishes in the bottom ten every year except one. That has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with coaching. Also how come regardless of personnel do we finish in the bottom 10 of high danger shots against?

Makes no sense!

With the way Uncle Paul has this team playing, looks like this is closer to reality than anything else.

I really felt this team could win a cup this year, especially since we were not playing our central division rivals. It’s disappointing that will not happen. It’s also disappointing that none of the Maurice lovers are able to explain why his penalty kill consistently finishes in the bottom ten every year except one. That has nothing to do with personnel and everything to do with coaching. Also how come regardless of personnel do we finish in the bottom 10 of high danger shots against?

Makes no sense!
- TheUltimateJet

Jets PK has been top 20 every year for at least the past 5 years. It's 11th right now but has been top 10 all season.

Jets PK has been top 20 every year for at least the past 5 years. It's 11th right now but has been top 10 all season.
- jetsnation

Thank you for fact checking!

You say top 20 like there are a 100 teams in the NHL.

I have connections to check this out although it will take time. My belief is that this team totally blows up without Scheif. Wheeler might be a different story though. His play has definitely been very sub-par this year and being one of the league elite passers does not give him a free pass for his beyond terrible defence.
- jetsnation

Like you say, the Jets would be totally lost without Mark Scheifele. Can't believe that people want to trade Scheif ($6 mill) for Jack Eichel ((10 Mill) AND throw in Dylan Samberg (or Cole Perfetti) AND a 1st rd pick! AND, oh, maybe another 1st rd pick. That is beyond comprehension!

I'd rather keep Scheif and use the $4 mill left over in change to upgrade the D! That is were our problem lies. Address the problem! And, add some sandpaper!

Thought the effort was there last night, but certainly not the execution. Obviously! The only positive I saw all night was that K. Vesalainen proved he can be an NHL player. Other than that - nothing!

Who knows, maybe the Jets are just playing possum? Maybe Lowry and Ehlers are just getting their second wind? Maybe a guy like Wheeler is saving it for when it really counts? Maybe Helle is wanting extra rest? Maybe the sky is falling?

If the Jets are playing possum, they are doing a damn good job of it!