I don't think the ducks think they are that far away. If they did they would have sold more on their players at the deadline.
- Aaron_85

Yeah you could be right, but theyd be wrong.

One week earlier than the Leafs tee times.
- Marwood

The proper retort is to say "two weeks earlier, as the Leafs will collapse in game 7."

Jesus, don't they teach you anything in troll school anymore?

- Lehner has been available. (as a UFA - people laughed when I said Leafs should sign him as a backup before he joined the Islanders)
- Grubauer was available
- Holtby was available (on the cheap)
- Khudobin (similar level to Freddy, but seems the alcohol takes his playoff nerves away)
- Varlamov
- even Cam Talbot
- MaximusAurelius

You're probably going back alot because Lehner, Khudobin and Grubauer were not available last summer.

And for Lehner, before his run with Vegas last year, he was considered a huge gamble.

No indication Lou wanted to get rid of Varlamov either.

Holtby and Talbot are not better than Andersen.
- Scabeh

no, I am going back to Lehner and Grubauer since I have been saying for 4 years now that Freddy isnt the right goalie for this team. He's not bad, but he's not special either -- and definitely there are others that are as good that have lower caphits. (and can actually win a playoff series)

$2M more.

But think about how much better a team we would be.

Oh well.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh for sure. It would have been a nice grab.

Hell, maybe Vegas would have considered a 1 for 1 trade last summer, they needed the space and as a pending UFA, Andersen would have fit well in their overall strategy.

- gergeswillems

I don't know if you've ever had Narragansett beer, but I think I'd rather be eaten by the shark.

The proper retort is to say "two weeks earlier, as the Leafs will collapse in game 7."

Jesus, don't they teach you anything in troll school anymore?
- Atomic Wedgie

Its always funny when fans from second rate franchises try to troll. They have way too much Leaf envy.

no, I am going back to Lehner and Grubauer since I have been saying for 4 years now that Freddy isnt the right goalie for this team. He's not bad, but he's not special either -- and definitely there are others that are as good that have lower caphits. (and can actually win a playoff series)
- MaximusAurelius

So you're going back 4 years.

That's alot.

I don't think the ducks think they are that far away. If they did they would have sold more on their players at the deadline.
- Aaron_85

Ducks will build around Zegras and Drysdale. They'll get another lottery pick this year. Gibson is signed long term and he's in his prime. He'll be 28 in July. I can't see him being traded.

That was great.
- Scabeh

It really was

- Lehner has been available. (as a UFA - people laughed when I said Leafs should sign him as a backup before he joined the Islanders)
- Grubauer was available
- Holtby was available (on the cheap)
- Khudobin (similar level to Freddy, but seems the alcohol takes his playoff nerves away)
- Varlamov
- even Cam Talbot
- MaximusAurelius

When it comes to chewing Dubas, you have zero respect for the lengths you'll go to with your player on the shelf at Safeway mentality. As if all Dubas had to do was walk in and purchase one and he's an idiot for deciding not to.

You do realize there are more variables at play then that... Right...

Oh, also. Holtby has been a (frank)ing nightmare, he's signed at a ridiculous number through next year. He had two good games against the leafs and you're back smashing that drum? I could clog up this board pretty easily listing the garbage can goalies that have played well against the leafs this year, Ottawa has like 3-4 alone ffs. 🤦🏻‍♂️

The proper retort is to say "two weeks earlier, as the Leafs will collapse in game 7."

Jesus, don't they teach you anything in troll school anymore?
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm anticipating a sweep this year.

Yeah you could be right, but theyd be wrong.
- Archaic

Oh sure, I agree that they are wrong. It just sucks for the Leafs if they wanted to make that trade.

no, I am going back to Lehner and Grubauer since I have been saying for 4 years now that Freddy isnt the right goalie for this team. He's not bad, but he's not special either -- and definitely there are others that are as good that have lower caphits. (and can actually win a playoff series)
- MaximusAurelius

thats why so many of your posts are so dumb and lack any context what so ever.

Grubauer was traded in summer 2018

these things come into play

-Lou was the GM
-Leafs were 1 season into Andersen
-Andersen just came off a very good season
-Leafs were a playoff surprise

Arnt you blaming Dubas for not getting a starter in 2018?
when they had a very good starter at the time....

When it comes to chewing Dubas, you have zero respect for the lengths you'll go to with your player on the shelf at Safeway mentality. As if all Dubas had to do was walk in and purchase one and he's an idiot for deciding not to.

You do realize there are more variables at play then that... Right...

Oh, also. Holtby has been a (frank)ing nightmare, he's signed at a ridiculous number through next year. He had two good games against the leafs and you're back smashing that drum? I could clog up this board pretty easily listing the garbage can goalies that have played well against the leafs this year, Ottawa has like 3-4 alone ffs. 🤦🏻‍♂️
- joel878

After seeing fans turn on a guy like Campbell after a few bad games what goalie would seriously want to play for the Leafs? I wouldn't. One of the only markets in the league where goalies get ripped apart. (frank) that.

- Lehner has been available. (as a UFA - people laughed when I said Leafs should sign him as a backup before he joined the Islanders)
- Grubauer was available
- Holtby was available (on the cheap)
- Khudobin (similar level to Freddy, but seems the alcohol takes his playoff nerves away)
- Varlamov
- even Cam Talbot
- MaximusAurelius

I think Grubauer is okay, not great. Andersen is probably better, but you know he'll likely be $2m cheaper than Andersen's contract. That makes him appealing.

Varlamov . . .I mean, here's a guy benefitting from playing in Trotz's heavily defensive system. Last year if you put Greiss or Varlamov in net, or this year if they put Varlamov or Sorokin in net, you get basically the same results. He has been known to make 10-bell saves, and let in soft goals. Frankly, Varlamov is not very far off from Andersen and makes the same. It's almost, in my opinion, a lateral move.

Khudobin and Cam Talbot. You're what 5 hours ahead of us there? 8? Maybe it's not too late to start drinking.


But Holtby. Look, the guy just made 74 saves in 2 games against Toronto and made some great saves and played well. This wonderful display dragged his sorry save percentage to .901. He's just not the guy he was and he's being paid $4.3m based on history, not present capability.

Fleury.

But then you'd have to figure out what to do with Andersen.
- Atomic Wedgie

And by figure out what to do you have to factor in the Modified NTC Andersen has in his contract + the fact Fleury makes 2M more per season than Andersen.

The armchair GM's constantly squawking that the Leafs should trade Andersen and just go out and get goalie "X" need to take a big swig off the old reality moonshine jar.

It's not that easy and if Andersen is that bad what makes anyone think someone would trade for him at full value of his contract?

Freddy is what he is, I just hope he can find his game and give the Leafs league average goal tending and with this team that might just be enough.

It's unrealistic to expect teams to have an offensive juggernaut, the league's best D core, PP and PK and goalie at all times or even all at the same time ever. You need luck, people playing above the level they have in the past or in alot of cases will in the future and a guy who just comes out of nowhere and plays at a level even he didn't think he was capable of if he is honest with himself. Rookie's stepping up and playing out of their minds is another big part of it a la Binnington.

Nobody has figured this out as far as how to build it or replicate it year over year but some teams are alot closer than others.

I think if the Leafs can just get past the first round and start to believe they can win in the playoffs the mental boost they could get from that would just be such a huge change for them not only for this year but the next few.

My 2 cents.

Bogosian hurt? OMG! That never happens.

My math may be wrong but it looks like:

Leafs S% = .906
Opponent S% = .912

That's... a problem.
- mjones242

Remember how I told you Mister Brown was a racist P.O.S., and you said you didn't think he was, but were open to being proven wrong?

Moral of the story: always listen to what Wedgie has to say on Hockeybuzz, unless it involves stuff about goalies, the powerplay, prospects, the draft, general evaluations of management, food storage, defence, strategy, forwards, uniforms, lawn maintenance, music, women, electrical wiring, the PK, PK Subban, and show tunes.

After seeing fans turn on a guy like Campbell after a few bad games what goalie would seriously want to play for the Leafs? I wouldn't. One of the only markets in the league where goalies get ripped apart. (frank) that.
- Santo_44

Well maybe if they didn't start thinking Campbell was more than a backup goaltender being a on hot streak, they'd be less hard on him.

But no, they had to blow everything out of proportion and then be mad when things go back to normal.

Remember how I told you Mister Brown was a racist P.O.S., and you said you didn't think he was, but were open to being proven wrong?

Moral of the story: always listen to what Wedgie has to say on Hockeybuzz, unless it involves stuff about goalies, the powerplay, prospects, the draft, general evaluations of management, food storage, defence, strategy, forwards, uniforms, lawn maintenance, music, women, electrical wiring, the PK, PK Subban, and show tunes.
- Atomic Wedgie

All this need Freddie back stuff. Yeah, I mean sure. But if he's the same poop sandwich when he comes back that he has been the last two years... What does it matter?

Both Rittich and Campbell, even when struggling... Have still posted better numbers than Andersen. Imagine that. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

I know you hate Andersen but you can't possibly be suggesting a Campbell / Rittich combo > a Campbell / Andersen combo?

Can blame most of the last few losses on goaltending,but team has to also play better in front of them,period.its a team sport,1 player can help win/steal a game as well as help lose a game.5 straight losses equals bad team play not just goalies.gotta win as a team and lose as a team.
Not defending the goaltending cause it's been bad,but focusing on the entire picture/games being played.stretch drive separates the contenders and the pretenders.
- Dewey8

Well when almost 1.3 goals go in on every ten shots you are pretty much effed.

The proper retort is to say "two weeks earlier, as the Leafs will collapse in game 7."

Jesus, don't they teach you anything in troll school anymore?
- Atomic Wedgie

Maybe we should cut the west coast troll some slack - yesterday was "420 dude" day afterall.

After seeing fans turn on a guy like Campbell after a few bad games what goalie would seriously want to play for the Leafs? I wouldn't. One of the only markets in the league where goalies get ripped apart. (frank) that.
- Santo_44

Campbell has had a rough few games, but he is still the only goaltender that has been able to put together a consistent stretch of solid goaltending for this team in 2 years.

Do I think that makes him the answer? No. But I think it makes him part of it.

My feelings would be an Andersen/Campbell competition with the net truly up for grabs to whoever earns it going forward is the best option. 🤷🏻‍♂️