Agreed. I’m less interested in hunting down people in work settings than in making the comparison to people who might abuse a Covid sick day. You get this all the time in any social policy programming. A few freeloaders become the cost of addressing people in need.

I’m trying to remember the specifics but there was a big issue with Ontario Welfare programming where a number of docs simply decided that the general level was too low so they provided some kind of medical exemptions that brought higher benefit levels. Of course the government brought them to court and the publicity was as bad as you’d expect
- Canada Cup

Special Diet Allowance.

It's not a matter of justification, it's a matter of who holds governmental power.

The Federal government's program takes federal tax dollars and gives it directly to workers who had to take a day off due to COVID.

A provincial program (like the one that was instituted by the Wynne government) would have employers pay the workers for days they took off sick.

The federal government can't mandate private companies to do so.

The provincial government can.
- Atomic Wedgie

This explains the separation of powers pretty succinctly

https://www.canada.ca/en/...n-legislative-powers.html

Ford's own Science team has gone on the record and said he is not following their advice.

David Williams on the other hand - hard to say if he's completely incompetent, or Ford is ignoring him too. 50/50.

And if you read any posts in the last thread - mandating sick days is under Provincial control, not Federal.
- Nasty_Duck

I did read the last thread thanks for the snarky remark though.

Just because it's under provincial control as far as a long term / permanent solution does not mean the federal government could not introduce a temporary sick day benefit to help with dealing with COVID.

I wrote this previously as a suggested path forward in this thread.

Watch my step? I'll flag a mother (frank)er for poop like that in a second dawg! Your apology for your poor behviour and lack of clarity disguised in a threat is accepted.

How is it not justified nationally but it is provincially, but even if that's the case who cares? Are we worried suddenly people in other provinces who don't need it are going to take sick time on the Fed's dime?

Even if so how does that differ from the CERB gong show and the huge #'s of people who got it despite not qualifying and will never have to pay it back.

Whichever government puts something in place can make it as stringent or as loose as it needs to be.
- Cush29

The Duck is correct, except for people working in federally regulated industries like banking or airlines, provinces are responsible for employment standards and sick days are set under those auspices. The federal $ is there as a kind of backstop.

Special Diet Allowance.
- Atomic Wedgie

Thanks

Also, everybody should get paid time off whether they are sick or not, just because they don't feel like working that day. We expect people to be soulless automatons in this society.
- Zezel

It's an interesting divide between millenials and those above them.

Old people: "Millenials have no loyalty to the company. They don't have the dedication to their work that previous generations did."

Millenials: "Why should we? Our employers have absolutely no loyalty to us. We have no pensions (or at best defined contribution), no job security, a much lower percentage of us have permanent positions, and we could be downsized or our jobs moved offshore tomorrow. You are looking out for what's best for the company, so I'll look out for what's best for me, thankyouverymuch."

They aren't wrong.

It's not a matter of justification, it's a matter of who holds governmental power.

The Federal government's program takes federal tax dollars and gives it directly to workers who had to take a day off due to COVID.

A provincial program (like the one that was instituted by the Wynne government) would have employers pay the workers for days they took off sick.

The federal government can't mandate private companies to do so.

The provincial government can.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm talking about a temporary program where the government would pay for the sick time, not the companies - to deal with COVID.

The Duck is correct, except for people working in federally regulated industries like banking or airlines, provinces are responsible for employment standards and sick days are set under those auspices. The federal $ is there as a kind of backstop.
- Canada Cup

This is true. Alberta employment standards existing purely to tell people if they don't like it go to court is a prime example.

I did read the last thread thanks for the snarky remark though.

Just because it's under provincial control as far as a long term / permanent solution does not mean the federal government could not introduce a temporary sick day benefit to help with dealing with COVID.

I wrote this previously as a suggested path forward in this thread.
- Cush29

Why? Why not provincial governments where it’s needed. The dirty socialist leader in BC is under pressure there as well

I'm talking about a temporary program where the government would pay for the sick time, not the companies - to deal with COVID.
- Cush29

https://www.canada.ca/en/...ery-sickness-benefit.html

I did read the last thread thanks for the snarky remark though.

Just because it's under provincial control as far as a long term / permanent solution does not mean the federal government could not introduce a temporary sick day benefit to help with dealing with COVID.

I wrote this previously as a suggested path forward in this thread.
- Cush29

They did, actually.

new blog everyone

The Duck is correct, except for people working in federally regulated industries like banking or airlines, provinces are responsible for employment standards and sick days are set under those auspices. The federal $ is there as a kind of backstop.
- Canada Cup

I'm saying this one more time and then I'm dropping this because I'm tired of saying it over and over.

I'm not suggesting the federal government can (on a whim or perhaps even as a permanent solution) put something forward that requires companies to pay employees for sick time.

Yes I understand the province can do this, but I'm saying for the province to do so on a permanent basis now is a mistake and it needs to be looked at more before a decision is made. Sure the province could do a temporary one but I think it should be the Feds who do so.

I'm saying the Feds can and should introduce a program which is temporary, to pay people who are sick to stay home until the end of and to help deal with COVID.

They did, actually.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's clearly insufficient based on the outrage that the provincial government isn't paying people for their sick time.

It's clearly insufficient based on the outrage that the provincial government isn't paying people for their sick time.
- Cush29

The ask isn't for the province to pay people for sick time, it's for employers to pay for sick days.

Why? Why not provincial governments where it’s needed. The dirty socialist leader in BC is under pressure there as well
- Canada Cup

Because COVID is a world wide pandemic, making it a country wide issue.

I'm saying this one more time and then I'm dropping this because I'm tired of saying it over and over.

I'm not suggesting the federal government can (on a whim or perhaps even as a permanent solution) put something forward that requires companies to pay employees for sick time.

Yes I understand the province can do this, but I'm saying for the province to do so on a permanent basis now is a mistake and it needs to be looked at more before a decision is made. Sure the province could do a temporary one but I think it should be the Feds who do so.

I'm saying the Feds can and should introduce a program which is temporary, to pay people who are sick to stay home until the end of and to help deal with COVID.


- Cush29

And when did I suggest that Doug Ford should introduce a permanent program?

Because COVID is a world wide pandemic, making it a country wide issue.
- Cush29

I’m sorry Cush but it doesn’t work that way. Illiteracy (tempted to misspell it) is a worldwide problem. Should the federal government take responsibility?

I’m sorry Cush but it doesn’t work that way. Illiteracy (tempted to misspell it) is a worldwide problem. Should the federal government take responsibility?
- Canada Cup

Now your just being facetious and silly. You are comparing a world wide pandemic with illiteracy? Sorry I'm not interested in continuing this debate - going down the silly path just to argue for the sake of arguing isn't something I have too much time for.

The ask isn't for the province to pay people for sick time, it's for the provincial government to force employers to pay for sick days.
- TheMussel

Fixed for you for accuracy.

I'm out.

Now your just being facetious and silly. You are comparing a world wide pandemic with illiteracy? Sorry I'm not interested in continuing this debate - going down the silly path just to argue for the sake of arguing isn't something I have too much time for.
- Cush29

Silly to make a point. The fact that it’s a global problem doesn’t make the federal government the right government to respond. We have a division of responsibilities.

Tell me about the new bike

I have the one I built last fall that I just need to modify with a new brake hanger and shorter stem but otherwise it's good to go for this season
- TheMussel

Steel touring frame from a now-defunct Quebec company called M'Ikado. Mishmash of parts, but Mavic rims and 105 groupset. Probably 12 years old. Guy toured it all over Canada. Real sweet find.

I need a shorter stem or something though, I can barely get my hands in the drops. It may be a tad big for me. Really love the ride tho.

It's not a matter of justification, it's a matter of who holds governmental power.

The Federal government's program takes federal tax dollars and gives it directly to workers who had to take a day off due to COVID.

A provincial program (like the one that was instituted by the Wynne government) would have employers pay the workers for days they took off sick.

The federal government can't mandate private companies to do so.

The provincial government can.
- Atomic Wedgie

Really? I did not know that.