https://www.eliteprospect...player/413126/colton-dach

So Kirby Dach's little brother Colton, is draft eligible this year. A C/LW listed as 6'4/205.

I can't seem to find much scouting on him but it looks like he could go as high as 3rd round. Which means he'll probably be available with the Hawks' late 2nd (from LVK) but may be gone by round 4. Hawks don't have a 3rd round pick this year as yet.

Does Stan take a chance on him if he's available or does it reek too much of a marketing pick?

https://www.eliteprospect...player/413126/colton-dach

So Kirby Dach's little brother Colton, is draft eligible this year. A C/LW listed as 6'4/205.

I can't seem to find much scouting on him but it looks like he could go as high as 3rd round. Which means he'll probably be available with the Hawks' late 2nd (from LVK) but may be gone by round 4. Hawks don't have a 3rd round pick this year as yet.

Does Stan take a chance on him if he's available or does it reek too much of a marketing pick?
- Rota's Rooter

From Wiz' mock draft site. He has him going in the 2nd round.



Kirby’s l’il brother is a big left winger who puts hit head down and drives to the net. At this juncture isn’t finished developing his acceleration and top gear, but he gets there, and when he does, he hits and finishes his checks. He is a dominant board player who is literally able to knock defenseman down in puck battles. His puck control is also very good, and is very difficult to move off the puck. Effective offensively, but still in the developmental stage. He will cut sharply en route to the front and find a small space where pucks opportunistically find him. Will shoot towards the goalie’s far side pad to create rebounds to the low slot. He is hard on the back check. Hit opponents with frequency. He will drop the gloves. Still a work in progress.



—Bill Placzek—

I'm not a Nylander fan but that's mainly because he seems to be on such a long development curve.

However, there could be something there, but he needs to show it very soon to be in Chicago's future. Take note of what Casey Mittlestadt in Buffalo has started to do lately. He is another guy who was being written off as a bust 8th overall pick. Donnie Granato takes over as coach, the team starts playing better and this kid starts to show some talent and potential.
- RickJ

I would love to be wrong on Nylander. And the fact that everyone is beaming with excitement about the return of Vinnie Hinostroza (not a dig on the kid, more an indictment of the Hawks talent pool at forward as highlighted by others on the board) tells you pretty much all you need to know about the state of the depth chart at forward

I just see the AN that we are likely to see going forward as playing Patrick Kane's game with nowhere near the skill or talent, 1/5 of the hockey acumen and 1/5 of the intestinal fortitude, while being 110% of the "big liability" on the defensive end and in the battles that win hockey games.

What is with all the teeth gnashing about Nylander? He's getting $7/hr and is not going to command much more. He also is not (nor would be if playing) blocking a better player.

If he comes back and plays better, great. The Hawks have a fresh, young, contributing asset. If not, he can be buried. What is the negative right now? If they had a glut of top end prospects that he was blocking then sure it's an issue, but him playing over Entwistle, or Johnson isn't going to make me lose an sleep at this point.

Good morning Theo! Good stuff. While I don't really get to see any of the prospects play, I would err on the side of your suggestion as well as Elbows in taking any publications' rankings with a barge of salt.

I know some of the Athletic rankings had Kurashev as an NHL/AHL tweener. Same with Hagel and Suter and Kalynuk weren't even listed IIRC.
- HawkintheD

Thanks, D.

Any rankings, including any that I post of my own opinion, need to be taken with a barge of salt. They're interesting to read and are good tools to at least get a sense of potential and relative impact when factoring in all other teams' prospects.

What is with all the teeth gnashing about Nylander? He's getting $7/hr and is not going to command much more. He also is not (nor would be if playing) blocking a better player.

If he comes back and plays better, great. The Hawks have a fresh, young, contributing asset. If not, he can be buried. What is the negative right now? If they had a glut of top end prospects that he was blocking then sure it's an issue, but him playing over Entwistle, or Johnson isn't going to make me lose an sleep at this point.
- Chunk

You are 100% correct, the Hawks have nothing to lose by giving him a shot next year, as he will not command a high salary. Like it’s been mentioned here, whom would he block at this time? They need more forward depth, if he doesn’t pan out they move on.

Theo. Could you specify a criteria for your rankings. For example a combination of age and games played in NHL. Under 24 years old and less than 35 games in NHL. (Or a criteria of your choice) then maybe rerank them based on that criteria.
- Ztra

My criteria is generally looking at potential to be an impact player at the NHL level, even if as an effective role player. I don't pay too much attention to exact age or a limit on games played in the NHL.

A lot of gut reactions and eye test. Not a lot of advanced metrics. Kind of like my game day analyses.

I would love to be wrong on Nylander. And the fact that everyone is beaming with excitement about the return of Vinnie Hinostroza (not a dig on the kid, more an indictment of the Hawks talent pool at forward as highlighted by others on the board) tells you pretty much all you need to know about the state of the depth chart at forward

I just see the AN that we are likely to see going forward as playing Patrick Kane's game with nowhere near the skill or talent, 1/5 of the hockey acumen and 1/5 of the intestinal fortitude, while being 110% of the "big liability" on the defensive end and in the battles that win hockey games.
- jrsamu

Bigger picture - Nylander, Strome, Gaudette, Vinny, Suter, Kurashev and Borgstrom make up more than 50% of the Hawks forwards who have any talent at all offensively. Not many NHL teams would be pining the services of any of these guys except maybe Kurashev. Pretty much tells you how much work Bowman has to do to get this team competitive.

I’m wondering where our recently matriculated to the big club youth movement might slot on an overall rankings board? Where would Boqvist slot against his peers, top 10, 20, 50? Similarly for Kurashev, Lankinen, Kalnyuk, Beaudin and Mitchell? Given what we know about them now, would they crack the top 50?
- Aurora Hawk

I would venture to think Boqvist makes the top 20. Mitchell, Kalynuk, and Beaudin are in the 50-75 range. Kurashev and Lankinen in the 80-100 range. Yet, I also wouldn't be surprised if some of them weren't ranked at all.

Recency bias is something that is tough to combat, though. Carter Hart was easily top 20 and his first 2 seasons confirmed that. This season, however, would have people wondering why he was ranked so high.

From Wiz' mock draft site. He has him going in the 2nd round.



Kirby’s l’il brother is a big left winger who puts hit head down and drives to the net. At this juncture isn’t finished developing his acceleration and top gear, but he gets there, and when he does, he hits and finishes his checks. He is a dominant board player who is literally able to knock defenseman down in puck battles. His puck control is also very good, and is very difficult to move off the puck. Effective offensively, but still in the developmental stage. He will cut sharply en route to the front and find a small space where pucks opportunistically find him. Will shoot towards the goalie’s far side pad to create rebounds to the low slot. He is hard on the back check. Hit opponents with frequency. He will drop the gloves. Still a work in progress.



—Bill Placzek—
- boilermaker100

Wiz has said that he wouldn't mind Blackhawks draft him

https://www.eliteprospect...player/413126/colton-dach

So Kirby Dach's little brother Colton, is draft eligible this year. A C/LW listed as 6'4/205.

I can't seem to find much scouting on him but it looks like he could go as high as 3rd round. Which means he'll probably be available with the Hawks' late 2nd (from LVK) but may be gone by round 4. Hawks don't have a 3rd round pick this year as yet.

Does Stan take a chance on him if he's available or does it reek too much of a marketing pick?
- Rota's Rooter

I’m not sure it’s a great idea to pick the brother of an existing player. If anything happens to one does the other brother get his nose out of joint, like the Hayes brothers?

is there a reason why Kayumov is not higher? I think he is the same prospect level as barret and entwhistle. he just turned 23 put up 12g 17a in the KHL. I think Chad Krys is not in the top 10 at this point. he has not produced at any level.
- kmw4631

Kayumov and Shalunov are in a similar boat in that I have a hard time ranking them so high given that they could easily stay in Russia or come over to North America for a brief spell but defect home again for greener pastures.

Altybarmakian is at least in Rockford now and doing pretty well. He also didn't continue to renew his KHL contract over and over again like the others. Once he was eligible to cross the pond, he did. I just love this kid's energy and spirit.

Krys could very well never make it in the Blackhawks system but I feel he can make it in the NHL. You are right that he hasn't produced at any level but I think his calling card to the pros will be as a smooth skating puck mover who can eat minutes and play defense.

When you watch him play, his head definitely knows what to do defensively and he gives an honest effort but he needs to get much stronger because he is just getting flat beat out. Improved strength could be the world of difference.

Rather Kayumov than Shulanov too.
Putting Altybarmakian behind Kyrs is disappointing.
- jhawk59

The reason why I have Krys ahead of Altybarmakian is because he has a stronger defensive conscience. Altybarmakian will get there. He at least is not devoid of one and he gives a darn when he makes mistakes.

I’m not sure it’s a great idea to pick the brother of an existing player. If anything happens to one does the other brother get his nose out of joint, like the Hayes brothers?
- paulr

The Hayes brothers aren't Canadian........

Vinnie has always been a balls to the wall player. He has understood for a long time that he needs to work hard and stay aggressive in order to compete with bigger, stronger, faster players. I think you are spot on in your assessment that there is more maturity to his game as opposed to just playing at a frenetic pace. If you listened to any of his interviews aftger the game the other day he was very honest about being knocked down a peg or two after being non-tendered by Ariz and not seeing much playing time in FL. He knows he has to work hard and play smart to maintain a spot in the lineup.
- TheTrob

The way you described Hinostroza's growth since breaking into the league is exactly what Altybarmakian and Soderlund need to do. Their frenetic pace and spirited play are fun to watch but they need to parlay those into productive results or else it's just wasted energy.

Altybarmakian is further along than Soderlund as he at least invests in the team game. Soderlund needs to realize he has teammates and not do everything himself putting on a clinic to dance around everyone on the other team.

I’m not sure it’s a great idea to pick the brother of an existing player. If anything happens to one does the other brother get his nose out of joint, like the Hayes brothers?
- paulr

On the other hand, if they don't take him Kirby will never stay after he becomes a UFA. Stan is effed either way.

The Hayes brothers aren't Canadian........
- powerenforcer

Contrary to D’s opinion about Canadians we can be wieners too.

On the other hand, if they don't take him Kirby will never stay after he becomes a UFA. Stan is effed either way.
- mohel

Doesn’t he always?

I’m not sure it’s a great idea to pick the brother of an existing player. If anything happens to one does the other brother get his nose out of joint, like the Hayes brothers?
- paulr

Well it sounds like the younger Dach plays a power forward type game. Which the Hawks need.

Maybe we can unite them and the Dachs can be a cross between the Sedin boys and Bash brothers.

As far as I know, neither Dach has taken a #2 in a stairwell and gotten caught so probably not complete tools like the Hayes brothers. Is Jimmy even in the league anymore?

Well it sounds like the younger Dach plays a power forward type game. Which the Hawks need.

Maybe we can unite them and the Dachs can be a cross between the Sedin boys and Bash brothers.

As far as I know, neither Dach has taken a #2 in a stairwell and gotten caught so probably not complete tools like the Hayes brothers. Is Jimmy even in the league anymore?
- bhawks2241

Does Men's Room Attendant for the NYR's count?

I’m not sure it’s a great idea to pick the brother of an existing player. If anything happens to one does the other brother get his nose out of joint, like the Hayes brothers?
- paulr

Like J.P. and Chris Bordeleau?

Anybody here anything about tonight's lineup?Wouldn't mind Subban get another start after his shutout. Also hope Stillman gets to play.

Anybody here anything about tonight's lineup?Wouldn't mind Subban get another start after his shutout. Also hope Stillman gets to play.
- boilermaker100

Colliton not giving any lineup info until closer to the game.

Contrary to D’s opinion about Canadians we can be wieners too.
- paulr

He's probably never had an encounter with a semi log driver.

Well it sounds like the younger Dach plays a power forward type game. Which the Hawks need.

Maybe we can unite them and the Dachs can be a cross between the Sedin boys and Bash brothers.

As far as I know, neither Dach has taken a #2 in a stairwell and gotten caught so probably not complete tools like the Hayes brothers. Is Jimmy even in the league anymore?
- bhawks2241

Jimmy hasn't been in the NHL since the 17-18 season, and isn't listed on any roster in any league right now.