I'm not sure what to make of this. Is he good or not? His biggest knock is faceoffs, which I cannot defend and agree he needs to get better at, but that's hardly a reason to trade a 21 year old.
- SkjeiStadium

I done (frank)ed up my words. Amazing how one word can change the WHOLE thing.

Read: It's not that he is NOT good. Which is a dumb sentence to begin with.

I done (frank)ed up my words. Amazing how one word can change the WHOLE thing.

Read: It's not that he is NOT good. Which is a dumb sentence to begin with.
- NYRCeph

Ive said this plenty, hes a talented kid, hes just not a center.

Why isnt Chytil the center on the PP and a rental RWing is taking all the PP time?
- aecliptic

That's a question for Quinn, not me. But it's hard to argue with the results. Blackwell has 12 goals this year and has been a great player for us. I'm not sure how that's a knock against other players.

It could also be that the second PP unit barely gets any time and given the stats I just posted Chytil has been their best even strength scorer/60 on the team next to Panarin (by the numbers, not saying he's better than Zib) and Quinn wants to use him 5v5 after the PP ends.

Why isn't Laf on the PP instead of Blackwell? Should we trade him too? People complain about Quinn's usage of players all the time and then you flip it and say "well if he's not on this line than clearly he isn't good." Which is it? Is Quinn responsible for creating the lines, and fallible at that, or is he perfect and the fact that Chytil/Laf aren't on the PP2 that sees about 10-20% of PP time are a knock against the players themselves?

That's a question for Quinn, not me. But it's hard to argue with the results. Blackwell has 12 goals this year and has been a great player for us. I'm not sure how that's a knock against other players.

It could also be that the second PP unit barely gets any time and given the stats I just posted Chytil has been their best even strength scorer/60 on the team (by the numbers, not saying he's better than Zib) and Quinn wants to use him 5v5 after the PP ends.

Why isn't Laf on the PP instead of Blackwell? Should we trade him too? People complain about Quinn's usage of players all the time and then you flip it and say "well if he's not on this line than clearly he isn't good." Which is it? Is Quinn responsible for creating the lines, and fallible at that, or is he perfect and the fact that Chytil/Laf aren't on the PP2 that sees about 10-20% of PP time are a knock against the players themselves?
- SkjeiStadium

- mdw7413

I know you want to fire Quinn. Stop clapping.

That's a question for Quinn, not me. But it's hard to argue with the results. Blackwell has 12 goals this year and has been a great player for us. I'm not sure how that's a knock against other players.

It could also be that the second PP unit barely gets any time and given the stats I just posted Chytil has been their best even strength scorer/60 on the team next to Panarin (by the numbers, not saying he's better than Zib) and Quinn wants to use him 5v5 after the PP ends.

Why isn't Laf on the PP instead of Blackwell? Should we trade him too? People complain about Quinn's usage of players all the time and then you flip it and say "well if he's not on this line than clearly he isn't good." Which is it? Is Quinn responsible for creating the lines, and fallible at that, or is he perfect and the fact that Chytil/Laf aren't on the PP2 that sees about 10-20% of PP time are a knock against the players themselves?
- SkjeiStadium

Ive been beating to death the fact that I want LAF and/Krav on that PP2.

However, these are both wingers, Chytil is the center on this team, hes got the upswing, hes got the all around stats right? Hes the future center here right? 3 years of training and development, not even a whiff of PP time. This isnt a “if hes not used hes gotta get traded” thing. This is a “if hes clearly playing that well then why do we continue to keep him down”?

That's a question for Quinn, not me. But it's hard to argue with the results. Blackwell has 12 goals this year and has been a great player for us. I'm not sure how that's a knock against other players.

It could also be that the second PP unit barely gets any time and given the stats I just posted Chytil has been their best even strength scorer/60 on the team next to Panarin (by the numbers, not saying he's better than Zib) and Quinn wants to use him 5v5 after the PP ends.

Why isn't Laf on the PP instead of Blackwell? Should we trade him too? People complain about Quinn's usage of players all the time and then you flip it and say "well if he's not on this line than clearly he isn't good." Which is it? Is Quinn responsible for creating the lines, and fallible at that, or is he perfect and the fact that Chytil/Laf aren't on the PP2 that sees about 10-20% of PP time are a knock against the players themselves?
- SkjeiStadium

I don't see how you ever get all three of Panarin, Lafreniere and Kreider on the same powerplay at the same time

I know you want to fire Quinn. Stop clapping.
- NYRCeph

Its funny how those of using actual data for Chytil are fanboys , but the people who dislike him use opinions other than f/o %........

I don't see how you ever get all three of Panarin, Lafreniere and Kreider on the same powerplay at the same time
- jimbro83

I agree with that. And in the long-run these kids do need to get some PP time, but the PP1 has been really good recently, and stays on the ice for 1:30 at least. I'd rather Laf and Chytil go out with Kravtsov 5v5 for a full shift than get the PP1s sloppy seconds. If there was an equitable split in icetime between the units I'd see why it's a bigger deal but the second unit averages 1 minute of PP time per game compared to the first unit's 4 minutes. Is that 1 minute of icetime really enough to get bent our of shape over, especially considering that comes in like 30 second chunks?

Its funny how those of using actual data for Chytil are fanboys , but the people who dislike him use opinions other than f/o %........


- mdw7413

Because the numbers a skewed. Hes averaging 13mins a game. Im sure Quinn keeps them out of situations where theyre in their own zone and against the other teams top lines. And hey… sure its the coaches job to access that, but to throw numbers at me when I watch every game and see the kid make bad decisions or no decision at all means nothing. Hes also playing between 2 very smart players which makes me wonder how many of those take aways were actually created by Kakko and LAF but he gets credit for.

Because the numbers a skewed. Hes averaging 13mins a game. Im sure Quinn keeps them out of situations where theyre in their own zone and against the other teams top lines. And hey… sure its the coaches job to access that, but to throw numbers at me when I watch every game and see the kid make bad decisions or no decision at all means nothing. Hes also playing between 2 very smart players which makes me wonder how many of those take aways were actually created by Kakko and LAF but he gets credit for.
- aecliptic

Kakko leads the team in takeaways you dolt he's getting the credit he's due. You are skewing the numbers in your own head to confirm your bias.

I agree with that. And in the long-run these kids do need to get some PP time, but the PP1 has been really good recently, and stays on the ice for 1:30 at least. I'd rather Laf and Chytil go out with Kravtsov 5v5 for a full shift than get the PP1s sloppy seconds. If there was an equitable split in icetime between the units I'd see why it's a bigger deal but the second unit averages 1 minute of PP time per game compared to the first unit's 4 minutes. Is that 1 minute of icetime really enough to get bent our of shape over, especially considering that comes in like 30 second chunks?
- SkjeiStadium

the rest of this season, they aren't changing anything with the powerplay

next year though Nils Lundkvist is going to add a different dynamic

he could very well play the left point on PP1, with Fox staying on the right

or Panarin could stay at the left point and they put Zac Jones and Nils Lundkvist as the blueline on PP2

I'd like to see Kravtsov get onto PP1 more than anyone else

Those arent actual game numbers, but thats essentially a summary of what it looks like. It will be 3 games or so of people critiquing Chytils play, then he drops a dime in the machine after a string of soft games and people forget about them.
- aecliptic

You mean you?
We get it. You post about not liking Chytil because he's not a center every day.
We (largely) disagree. He has stats that argue in each direction.
Let's agree that this is a really good issue to have as the biggest problem on our roster and move on.

Because the numbers a skewed. Hes averaging 13mins a game. Im sure Quinn keeps them out of situations where theyre in their own zone and against the other teams top lines. And hey… sure its the coaches job to access that, but to throw numbers at me when I watch every game and see the kid make bad decisions or no decision at all means nothing. Hes also playing between 2 very smart players which makes me wonder how many of those take aways were actually created by Kakko and LAF but he gets credit for.
- aecliptic

Again, all based on your opinion of what you think you see. You don't like him and that's fine. The numbers don't back up your opinion though.

I didn't care for Zib about 3-4 years ago. I thought he would only be an average 1st line center. Why, because I ignored the numbers and thought I saw what I wanted to while he was on the ice.

the rest of this season, they aren't changing anything with the powerplay

next year though Nils Lundkvist is going to add a different dynamic

he could very well play the left point on PP1, with Fox staying on the right

or Panarin could stay at the left point and they put Zac Jones and Nils Lundkvist as the blueline on PP2

I'd like to see Kravtsov get onto PP1 more than anyone else
- jimbro83

The fact is this team has a lot of high end talent that "deserves" PP time but there is only so much to go around and there are going to be good players that aren't on the PP. To hold that against them and use that as proof that they aren't good is ridiculous.

I agree it will be very interesting to see how the lines shake out next season.

The fact is this team has a lot of high end talent that "deserves" PP time but there is only so much to go around and there are going to be good players that aren't on the PP. To hold that against them and use that as proof that they aren't good is ridiculous.

I agree it will be very interesting to see how the lines shake out next season.
- SkjeiStadium

the reality is that it's just not that important in the grand scheme of things that Lafreniere puts up a lot of points to justify being taken 1st overall

it matters what kind of player he developed into once he hits his prime

And for the record, I don't have any issue trading Chytil, but it would have to be for a young good center.

And for the record, I don't have any issue trading Chytil, but it would have to be for a young good center.
- mdw7413

I'd trade pretty much anybody in the right deal

I'd trade pretty much anybody in the right deal
- jimbro83

Laf, Kakko, Fox, Miller are my untouchables. Lindgren, Krav are real close to that

the reality is that it's just not that important in the grand scheme of things that Lafreniere puts up a lot of points to justify being taken 1st overall

it matters what kind of player he developed into once he hits his prime
- jimbro83

I think he's coming along really nicely, and keeping him off the PP allows him to focus on his 5v5 game which is ultimately more important for development. He will be on the PP soon enough and I have no doubt he'll be very good there.

Laf, Kakko, Fox, Miller are my untouchables. Lindgren, Krav are real close to that
- mdw7413

Howden

Howden


- jimbro83

Had that one in your back pocket for a while??

Had that one in your back pocket for a while??
- Tonybere

haha, I actually didn't it only just came in my head this minute when MDW said Untouchable

Again, all based on your opinion of what you think you see. You don't like him and that's fine. The numbers don't back up your opinion though.

I didn't care for Zib about 3-4 years ago. I thought he would only be an average 1st line center. Why, because I ignored the numbers and thought I saw what I wanted to while he was on the ice.
- mdw7413

Again, I dont think hes a bad player, had we not got lucky with LAF I think hed be a solid player on LW. However, the way he plays is not center-like and Id rather us go after someone who is a more traditional center.

Its funny how those of using actual data for Chytil are fanboys , but the people who dislike him use opinions other than f/o %........


- mdw7413

I honestly don't know why good debates turn touch and go. We can just enjoy a good debate over differing opinions and interpretations of data. I like fun debate more than people getting too serious. I know some aren't getting too serious, but some take it too far. Oh well.