Fletcher will have very little cap space to work with this summer. Players with NMC, players they will have to eat money to move etc.

Outside of trading Couturier or Provorov what can he do to bring back an impact player?
- PLindbergh31

Fletcher will have cap space to work with. If I were him, I would start by signing Dougie Hamilton, and then making a hockey trade with Nashville to get Ellis or Ekholm. Fletcher can free up more cap space but working with Seattle to pick either Jake or JVR in the expansion draft, and whichever player is not selected work them into another hockey trade. I would also sign a younger, better backup goalie, there are plenty of FA goalies to chose from this year. Finally I go get a veteran shoot first forward for the PP, and give the 'C' to Couts moving forward. This is my wish list anyway.

Someone posted this on reddit this morning, so take it with a grain of salt (superstar being subjective). Hope this works, I never posted image link before


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I just wanted to point out how stark these figures are.

It might seem at first that the 'star probability' for picks 11-20, at 7.1% is a little less than half of the star probability for picks 6-10. But that is false. Picks 11-20 get 10 chances to be a star. Picks 6-10 get 5 chances.

So, the % chances of being a star in picks 6-10 is actually 5 times that of picks 11-20.

This is easily the saddest most pathetic flyers team I’ve watched in my lifetime and I don’t think it’s close
- ClaudeFather

06/07 Never Forget

They have one player with an NMC past next season. They need Seattle to take Jake. You can move JVR and Ghost with salary retention. That is an additional $8-13mil in cap space. Easier said than done I know.

Realistically two of those players will be moved this offseason.
- mickel25

I can live with Ghost as long as he is 3rd pairing and 2nd PP unit. The really want the Flyers to go into next year with a top 4 D of Hamilton, Provorov, Ellis/Ekholm, York, and then let whoever is left to battle for the final spots.

Thanks. I repost for benefit of others.


- PT21

So what this validates is in the NHL, any player drafted outside of the top 10 is a crap shoot, shouldn't be a surprise really.

06/07 Never Forget
- Tomahawk

This team had expectations though

I can live with Ghost as long as he is 3rd pairing and 2nd PP unit. The really want the Flyers to go into next year with a top 4 D of Hamilton, Provorov, Ellis/Ekholm, York, and then let whoever is left to battle for the final spots.
- jd250

Can we just add in McDavid too?

Maybe. I d guess “ back from the dead” or vacation is over.

In seriousness.

No excuses.

Compete

Blood and sweat.

Pride

Reckoning.

But will it matter? Just a slogan.
- Peter Richards

We are really GONNA try this year!

At least 2006-7 ended with a glimmer of hope.

Who didn't love Scottie Upshall?!

Management doesn't have the gumption for a culture change. That was clear when they fired Hextall after the bean counter grew impatient.

In a way, I am happy this is blowing up in Dave Scott's face. Just hope he doesn't somehow make it worse.
- StepfordSam

How do you know what management has the gumption for? We will all see it for real this off season, and then we can judge.

I wonder if we'll see the return of "Back With a Vengeance"!

I still have my t-shirt from the last time the organization collapsed!
- MrBuzzcut

They came back fast than, after this season I am not sure. JVR was the reward for that black season. Kane would have moved the needle BIG time. But flyers isn't supposed to get the nicest shiny objects
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Management doesn't have the gumption for a culture change. That was clear when they fired Hextall after the bean counter grew impatient.

In a way, I am happy this is blowing up in Dave Scott's face. Just hope he doesn't somehow make it worse.
- StepfordSam

How is the “now” any different than when Hextall was in charge?

I answer your points in bolded order.

1. Sorry, 9 year for what? They started making the playoffs from 2010. They scooped a lot of sand in areas where there is more likelihood of gold, and found it. Then they started the process.

2. It is much easier to do "major roster shakeups" when you have players like Doughty and Kopitar and Quick entering their prime almost concurrently. Then, the roster shake up consists of supplementary pieces, but the core is solid. Our core is not comparable. Its not even in the same planet.

3. No, because of the last statement above.

4. Not if the odds were exponential as I mentioned earlier. Absolutely not. Indeed, if you look at the value chart of the NHL draft picks, you do see an exponential relationship especially at the top end.
- PT21

The Flyers core right now is very similar. Kopitar and Coots are almost identical players. Quick and Hart were both picked outside of the first round. Hart is having a tough season but his pedigree points to him being on Quicks level or better. 2012-2014 Doughty is better than Provorov is now.

The Flyers have young player assets and all of there picks to make seismic moves similar to the Richards and Carter moves the Kings made. I feel like the parallels are very close.

Will the Flyers win two cups in the next three years? Who knows. Don’t think anyone thought the Kings would win 2 in three years going into 2011-2012 either.

So what this validates is in the NHL, any player drafted outside of the top 10 is a crap shoot, shouldn't be a surprise really.
- jd250

But you see, if you pick in 11-20 range, you can still improve your chances to that resembling a top 10 pick. You just have to pick much more often. Your rebuild will take much longer.

That is why I was saying that if you are going to pick where Flyers have been picking, you cannot sign guys like Hayes and JVR and so on prematurely.

Can we just add in McDavid too?
- ClaudeFather

So what did I suggest that is not doable to you? Signing a FA required cap space, we have that. Prying Ellis/Ekholm from Nashville requires picks and prospects, we have those too. York is signed and should be ready to play for the Flyers next season barring major adjustment problems or injury. So where is the hole in this proposal?

Ouch that's right Nemi. Detroit was able to win with Osgood and Vernon too.
- Glak18

Those Detroit teams would have won with a plate of spaghetti in net!

This team had expectations though
- ClaudeFather

06/07 were supposed to be a Cup contender.

But you see, if you pick in 11-20 range, you can still improve your chances to that resembling a top 10 pick. You just have to pick much more often. Your rebuild will take much longer.

That is why I was saying that if you are going to pick where Flyers have been picking, you cannot sign guys like Hayes and JVR and so on prematurely.
- PT21

Yes completely agree, rebuilds on the fly rarely if ever really work.

How do you know what management has the gumption for? We will all see it for real this off season, and then we can judge.
- jd250

Why was Hextall fired and replaced for action bias?

How is the “now” any different than when Hextall was in charge?
- Sinisalo4vr

it is factually 8 times more better cause chuck never played for the Flyers AND he made good on a bias for action

EVERYONE is like a shiny happy person

Good post. People seem to think Fletcher is going to wave a magic wand and fix this mess over the summer. It's not happening.
- PLindbergh31

Of course, everyone here knows you need two pounds of pixie dust and one wombat ear also!

But you see, if you pick in 11-20 range, you can still improve your chances to that resembling a top 10 pick. You just have to pick much more often. Your rebuild will take much longer.

That is why I was saying that if you are going to pick where Flyers have been picking, you cannot sign guys like Hayes and JVR and so on prematurely.
- PT21

So having 10 first round picks in seven years improves your chances of getting “star” players?

So what did I suggest that is not doable to you? Signing a FA required cap space, we have that. Prying Ellis/Ekholm from Nashville requires picks and prospects, we have those too. York is signed and should be ready to play for the Flyers next season barring major adjustment problems or injury. So where is the hole in this proposal?
- jd250

So a guy has to choose to sign here and then we are making Nashville trade with us, pretty sure Nashville just came out and said they are looking to resign ekholm . They aren’t going anywhere

Why was Hextall fired and replaced for action bias?
- StepfordSam

IMO Hextall was fired because he was stubborn and difficult to work with. But I am not in the back offices, this is completely speculation on my part.

So a guy has to choose to sign here and then we are making Nashville trade with us, pretty sure Nashville just came out and said they are looking to resign ekholm . They aren’t going anywhere
- ClaudeFather

I don't know if this is GM speak from Poile or not, but until Ekholm is resigned there is always room to make a trade. And maybe Poile does really want Ekholm but then might want to trade Ellis to use the cap space for other areas? Either way there is still room.