Yes, a big reset is in order here! Again, I have to say I feel bad for AV, these last few weeks are going to be miserable for him.
- jd250

The biggest reset available is going to be an off season and then a training camp.

It will be really puzzling if no assistant coaches are replaced. I know Fletcher said on Monday there will be no coaching changes, but I pray he just meant AV. While players changes need to happen, I also think we need a new voice or brain for both special teams. While Yeo and Therien are only in 2nd year with us, it’s crazy Lappy has remained with a role after many years of poor special teams play. It’s like this franchise/team has zero accountability for coaching and players.

Taking on dead money, giving up assets to do it is a disaster.
- MJL

There is no other option, is there? Jake is not magically going to learn how to shoot the puck, take shorter shifts and back check. JVR is not going to magically play better defense, learn how to skate and become less streaky. G is not going to become more vocal and go back to scoring 100 points in a season. We are stuck with Hayes, and that is bad enough. You got $30+M in cap space tied up in these 4 players and with a flat cap you just can't do much unless you clear space. Whether you want to admit it or not, the Flyers are in a very similar spot as they were when Hextall took over, only the Flyers now have a farm system. To get out of this, the Flyers will have to cover salary and trade some assets and picks to get this reset. Its unfortunate but I don't see any other way around this.

It will be really puzzling if no assistant coaches are replaced. I know Fletcher said on Monday there will be no coaching changes, but I pray he just meant AV. While players changes need to happen, I also think we need a new voice or brain for both special teams. While Yeo and Therien are only in 2nd year with us, it’s crazy Lappy has remained with a role after many years of poor special teams play. It’s like this franchise/team has zero accountability for coaching and players.
- arichardson22

I look at it this way. On the PP, I see a stagnant PP with no player movement. Slow puck movement and no creativity. I haven't seen many changes either in alignment or strategy. I see this as partly a coaching issue. On the PK, there isn't really much to it in terms of systems or strategy. Almost every team approaches the PK in the same way. So there it's a player and personnel issue. So I would advocate for firing Therrien but keeping Yeo. Yeo coaches the PK.

The biggest reset available is going to be an off season and then a training camp.
- MJL

Oh come on, really? The answer is just practice? The players are good enough? This is the problem right here, people like yourself that just don't want to face reality that the Flyers "best" players are not top players. Mark it down, they will never significantly improve with the current personnel!

I look at it this way. On the PP, I see a stagnant PP with no player movement. Slow puck movement and no creativity. I haven't seen many changes either in alignment or strategy. I see this as partly a coaching issue. On the PK, there isn't really much to it in terms of systems or strategy. Almost every team approaches the PK in the same way. So there it's a player and personnel issue. So I would advocate for firing Therrien but keeping Yeo. Yeo coaches the PK.
- MJL

Both the PK and PP stink on the Flyers because of the players getting rolled out each and every time. Get better players, see better results!

I look at it this way. On the PP, I see a stagnant PP with no player movement. Slow puck movement and no creativity. I haven't seen many changes either in alignment or strategy. I see this as partly a coaching issue. On the PK, there isn't really much to it in terms of systems or strategy. Almost every team approaches the PK in the same way. So there it's a player and personnel issue. So I would advocate for firing Therrien but keeping Yeo. Yeo coaches the PK.
- MJL

I agree on Yeo vs Therien. Therien’s powerplay has only gotten worse (dating back to last year). Our PK was solid Last year under Yeo, arguably the best in years, but this season we have been more prone to players missing their assignments or just being out of position. It’s frustrating as hell. I understand losing Nisky and the feisty Pitlick has to hurt your PK slightly, but sweet lord not this badly

The biggest reset available is going to be an off season and then a training camp.
- MJL

Agree. Because I actually understand what you meant and didn't purposefully misconstrue it because you are in my head.

There is no other option, is there? Jake is not magically going to learn how to shoot the puck, take shorter shifts and back check. JVR is not going to magically play better defense, learn how to skate and become less streaky. G is not going to become more vocal and go back to scoring 100 points in a season. We are stuck with Hayes, and that is bad enough. You got $30+M in cap space tied up in these 4 players and with a flat cap you just can't do much unless you clear space. Whether you want to admit it or not, the Flyers are in a very similar spot as they were when Hextall took over, only the Flyers now have a farm system. To get out of this, the Flyers will have to cover salary and trade some assets and picks to get this reset. Its unfortunate but I don't see any other way around this.
- jd250

Yes, there are other options. I'll repeat what I have said ad nauseum. The future of this team is the young players and prospects. Until they grow and improve, the team will not drastically improve. There are some moves that they can try to make to add to the team that can help. It still is all about the young players and that will not change. They can try and trade picks and prospects for more established players but they only have so much cap space. Giving up high value prospects and salary retention to move contracts is a disaster. It will likely only result in mild elevation of the team and set them back long term.
This team needs to get to the off season, reset themselves and come back to training camp ready to play and get the systems and team defense straightened out. They need to create a better environment so young players can prosper instead of struggling.

Worst team in the division? How about in the running for the worst team in the league right now? They are a dead, emotionless team right now.
- MJL

I was trying to keep it limited so you wouldn't tell me I was spewing more hyperbole. But hey, worst team in the league? I'm in on that!

Oh come on, really? The answer is just practice? The players are good enough? This is the problem right here, people like yourself that just don't want to face reality that the Flyers "best" players are not top players. Mark it down, they will never significantly improve with the current personnel!
- jd250

There is so much here that you have wrong, it's comical. You look at things emotionally and don't think it through before posting. Routinely.

Both the PK and PP stink on the Flyers because of the players getting rolled out each and every time. Get better players, see better results!
- jd250

It's only partially about personnel.

Is it just me or last season everyone was on the same page? Both players and coaching. We saw guys like JVR and Jake adjust their games to be better 200 ft players (even hurt JVRS production). Guys often responded to AV’s criticism, Players worked for one another on the PK, forwards supported the D better with outlet passing. We were a real team. What the (frank) happened

Is it just me or last season everyone was on the same page? Both players and coaching. We saw guys like JVR and Jake adjust their games to be better 200 ft players (even hurt JVRS production). Guys often responded to AV’s criticism, Players worked for one another on the PK, forwards supported the D better with outlet passing. We were a real team. What the (frank) happened
- arichardson22

Nope, we just have bad players now. They were better players last year, (the same players) but this year they are all bad players.


Oh I forgot, Matt Niskanen was the key. Niskanen and Pitlick. They left, it all went in the crapper.

Sanheim often seems lost or stuck between deciding how to play a situation. Is there a danger in continuing to let the defensive coaching staff influence him the rest of the year?

The biggest reset available is going to be an off season and then a training camp.
- MJL

This is not correct, there are hockey trades to be made, with salary going both ways. Like a Reinhart for Konecny, if you cant sign Dougie, go for provy + for Seth Jones, new faces. Manson would be good too. Some people don't want to get rid of "our potential" but lots of times potential doesn't turn out. You keep mentioning Meyers is "basically a rookie" But forget to mention is already in his mid 20's and been a professional since 17-18.

I want 2 of these 3 players removed from the roster in the off season. Those 3 would be Voracek, JVR and or Giroux(in that order). It's time to cut bait. These guys are not winners and never will be. Since Giroux and Voracek have been the faces of the franchise they have missed the playoffs every other year and won one playoff series against a team that really didn't even belong in the playoffs last year(although without Hart they probably lose to the Habs). I don't know how they go about it, but until you change this core nothing's going to change. I'm not a Giroux hater by any stretch and management has to take lots of the blame, but I've seen enough of this regime. I actually think the #1 culprit of the mess is Holmgren. Puts the team in salary cap hell as GM and brings in Hextall to clean up his mess. Then he fires Hextall and brings in this bozo from Minnesota that has a terrible track record as GM there(they were the most boring team in the league during his time there). Thanks Homer!!

I want 2 of these 3 players removed from the roster in the off season. Those 3 would be Voracek, JVR and or Giroux(in that order). It's time to cut bait. These guys are not winners and never will be. Since Giroux and Voracek have been the faces of the franchise they have missed the playoffs every other year and won one playoff series against a team that really didn't even belong in the playoffs last year(although without Hart they probably lose to the Habs). I don't know how they go about it, but until you change this core nothing's going to change. I'm not a Giroux hater by any stretch and management has to take lots of the blame, but I've seen enough of this regime. I actually think the #1 culprit of the mess is Holmgren. Puts the team in salary cap hell as GM and brings in Hextall to clean up his mess. Then he fires Hextall and brings in this bozo from Minnesota that has a terrible track record as GM there(they were the most boring team in the league during his time there). Thanks Homer!!
- Phillywhiteout

Has the team assembled really ever been more than a playoff bubble caliber squad ? I’m in favor of a shakeup but it’s not all on them .

Worst team in the division? How about in the running for the worst team in the league right now? They are a dead, emotionless team right now.
- MJL

No worries though, AV Yeo, and Thieren are gonna coach them boys up next Season!

This is not correct, there are hockey trades to be made, with salary going both ways. Like a Reinhart for Konecny, if you cant sign Dougie, go for provy + for Seth Jones, new faces. Manson would be good too. Some people don't want to get rid of "our potential" but lots of times potential doesn't turn out. You keep mentioning Meyers is "basically a rookie" But forget to mention is already in his mid 20's and been a professional since 17-18.
- bradster

Myers isn't off track at all. Completely normal for dmen to take a few years to get fully acclimated. Especially bigger dudes.

For reference see Jeff Petry's career arc.

Flyers signed the wrong Cates

The problem here is systemic. Its not an individual player or coach. After a decade or two of irrelevance you have to tear down to parade rest and truly restart. They tried to rebuild with Hextall and after a short 1 year up tic it just falls apart. Its not money, since the start of the cap era they spend as much or more than any other team. The failures of the Clarke/Homer years were just kicked on down the road. So now we are in the pit of desperation again. Where do we go from here? We're going to continue to write our little posts, beat each other up, and pretend that what we say means something. Flyers management couldn't care less. Next year starts a new cycle...if they were lucky in the draft perhaps York, Brink, or someone from the Phantoms will breathe some life back into this team...I for one don't think we can expect any real success for a very long time. Again not trying to go all hyperbolic... This is a natural response from a hugely disappointed fan who has been here before.

Flyers signed the wrong Cates
- bsw31usa

Have you ever even watched him play? I have heard Laughton comparisons, but i feel he plays more like a poor man's Brayden Schenn. He's intense...hard on pucks despite average size...100mph at all times.

Have you ever even watched him play? I have heard Laughton comparisons, but i feel he plays more like a poor man's Brayden Schenn. He's intense...hard on pucks despite average size...100mph at all times.
- juiced

Just saw the signing, is Jackson related to Noah? I feel like that would be the most Flyer thing to do.

Myers isn't off track at all. Completely normal for dmen to take a few years to get fully acclimated. Especially bigger dudes.

For reference see Jeff Petry's career arc.
- Tomahawk

You can use stats to make anything look good. Shea Weber put up 17 goals as a 21 year old. I like Meyers, and you wont get much in a trade for him, so i'm all for keeping him, but he is far from Guaranteed to turn out to be a top 4 after seeing the mistakes he is currently making as a mid 20s, 4 year pro.