Don't even respond to that incredibly inappropriate comment that he made. Let the moderators handle it.
- MJL

Not really sure why this complete (frank)ing clown is allowed to make posts like that over several usernames.

Not really sure why this complete (frank)ing clown is allowed to make posts like that over several usernames.
- Ftown19125

What’s for dinner?

Just watched the Red Wings / Cane game from last night. Got to say a little bit jealous of their young players. Yeah they suck now, but looks very promising, especially if they can grab one of the big defensemen or maybe Wallstedt.


Pretty nice 25 and Under list:

Jakub Vrána (LW)
Dylan Larkin (C)
Adam Erne (W)
Filip Zadina (W)
Michael Rasmussen (C/W)
Evgeny Svechnikov (LW)
Joe Veleno (C)
Dominic Turgeon (C)
Jonatan Berggren (C/W)
Lucas Raymond (RW)

Filip Hronek (RD)
Dennis Cholowski (LD)
Gustav Lindström (RD)
Moritz Seider (RD)
William Wallinder (LD)

Victor Brattström (G)
- Glak18

They are executing their plan with meticulous diligence. No lapses at all.

Not really sure why this complete (frank)ing clown is allowed to make posts like that over several usernames.
- Ftown19125

Not sure but I've been banned for telling someone they're wrong.

Not sure but I've been banned for telling someone they're wrong.

- MJL

Impossible as you are never wrong.

This cracks me up. What exactly have the Red Wings built?
- MJL

I started to list off all the Flyers players and highly thought of prospects and vast supply of role-player potentials playing on the really good Phantoms team this year. All 25 and under. It became longer than I expected, but then I stopped and didn’t post.

Exactly

How come other franchise’s prospects are all expected to develop in a timely fashion, reach their ceiling potentials, and be immune from injury or illness? Flyers fans just don’t look upon our players/prospects with the same glasses as the pair they use to see the green grass over yonder. Take just our top group for example: Hart, Provorov, Farabee, Konecny, Sanheim and Myers. They have been inconsistent as young players usually are, but no one can fairly say that they haven’t already flashed enormous potential.

Why is the hope in potential of other teams so much more valuable than ours?

Maybe some fans do overrate our prospects, however others seem to do the reverse.

I would generally agree but the difference between "I'm not anticipating any changes but we'll evaluate everything after the season", which leaves wiggle room, and an emphatic "no" is that the latter locks you into a position.

Chuck Fletcher is someone who always measures what he says. Note that he fell short of guaranteeing any major changes, for example. On the coaching staff change(s) question, he gave an immediate and firm "No" with no qualifiers.
- bmeltzer

This is great news to me. Enough of the coaching carousel.

I started to list off all the Flyers players and highly thought of prospects and vast supply of role-player potentials playing on the really good Phantoms team this year. All 25 and under. It became longer than I expected, but then I stopped and didn’t post.

Exactly

How come other franchise’s prospects are all expected to develop in a timely fashion, reach their ceiling potentials, and be immune from injury or illness? Flyers fans just don’t look upon our players/prospects with the same glasses as the pair they use to see the green grass over yonder. Take just our top group for example: Hart, Provorov, Farabee, Konecny, Sanheim and Myers. They have been inconsistent as young players usually are, but no one can fairly say that they haven’t already flashed enormous potential.

Why is the hope in potential of other teams so much more valuable than ours?

Maybe some fans do overrate our prospects, however others seem to do the reverse.
- NC Flyers Fan

When you have anything in the pipeline, something that pans out in the future, you look at external opinions: as many, as valued, as you can. Because you are too close, and too attached to the asset to offer an unbiased appraisal.

It is true for your stock market positions. It is true for your real estate acquisitions. It is true for your children. It is true for your health.

But since many of you have an obsessional antipathy to external opinions and experts, it is difficult to reason with obstinacy, by definition.

So, you figure it out.

Farabee is still exempt. Second year pro.

Forwards: Giroux, Hayes, Couturier, TK, Laughton, Lindblom, Patrick.

Defensemen: Provorov, Sanheim (QO), Myers.

Goalie: Hart.

Exposed: Voracek, JVR, Aube-Kubel, Gostisbehere, Braun, Sandström (QO).

UFA: Elliott.
- bmeltzer

It’s rather simple really. NHL should allow for teams to trade protection slots

I started to list off all the Flyers players and highly thought of prospects and vast supply of role-player potentials playing on the really good Phantoms team this year. All 25 and under. It became longer than I expected, but then I stopped and didn’t post.

Exactly

How come other franchise’s prospects are all expected to develop in a timely fashion, reach their ceiling potentials, and be immune from injury or illness? Flyers fans just don’t look upon our players/prospects with the same glasses as the pair they use to see the green grass over yonder. Take just our top group for example: Hart, Provorov, Farabee, Konecny, Sanheim and Myers. They have been inconsistent as young players usually are, but no one can fairly say that they haven’t already flashed enormous potential.

Why is the hope in potential of other teams so much more valuable than ours?

Maybe some fans do overrate our prospects, however others seem to do the reverse.
- NC Flyers Fan

I completely understand the frustration that some fans have with the season that the team has had. In my opinion, it's an anomaly. While I don't think the team is on the cusp of reaching contender status. I also think they have a lot of good young players who have a chance to improve. Some of them have a chance to be really good in this league. I just hope the team doesn't overreact and make panic moves and drastically deplete the young player ranks just to become better now.

Flyers just signed Noah Cates brother Jackson to entry level contract

It’s rather simple really. NHL should allow for teams to trade protection slots
- Just5

Head explodes.

Trading 1 for 1 would be meaningless, as it would have no effect on status quo.

So, wut?

When you have anything in the pipeline, something that pans out in the future, you look at external opinions: as many, as valued, as you can. Because you are too close, and too attached to the asset to offer an unbiased appraisal.

It is true for your stock market positions. It is true for your real estate acquisitions. It is true for your children. It is true for your health.

But since many of you have an obsessional antipathy to external opinions and experts, it is difficult to reason with obstinacy, by definition.

So, you figure it out.
- PT21

However, when you look at the Red Wings and their team, there is no bias there? You can call it what you want but I'll guarantee you don't have the first clue about their team, nor have you spent any significant time watching them play to give an accurate opinion. Your opinion comes from the repeated narrative that you want to float.

Not many people here have an obsessional antipathy to external opinions and experts. Where you're misguided is who you label an expert and which external opinions you reference. You only choose those who support your narrative and find ways to dismiss external opinions by actual experts when it doesn't fit your narrative. Such as you did with the ESPN poll.

Head explodes.

Trading 1 for 1 would be meaningless, as it would have no effect on status quo.

So, wut?
- PT21

Too difficult of a concept for you to grasp? What he is referring to is trading a pick or a prospect for a protection slot.

When you have anything in the pipeline, something that pans out in the future, you look at external opinions: as many, as valued, as you can. Because you are too close, and too attached to the asset to offer an unbiased appraisal.

It is true for your stock market positions. It is true for your real estate acquisitions. It is true for your children. It is true for your health.

But since many of you have an obsessional antipathy to external opinions and experts, it is difficult to reason with obstinacy, by definition.

So, you figure it out.
- PT21

A pair of firsts and a second (think phil kessel deal from boston to toronto. You did not think at the time toronto would bottom out like they did, youre reasonably forecasting say somewhere in the 12 to 15 for each pick in the round) for Coots. What do you say?

It’s rather simple really. NHL should allow for teams to trade protection slots
- Just5

thats a cool concept. i feel as though the expansion team may take umbrage with it because they are the intended beneficiary of the limited number of slots and the two independent teams are bartering to come to an agreement which theoretically benefits both of them at the expense of the expansion squad. still though, in a league where you can launder cap hits etc in trades, this isnt that much farther of a logical leap

A pair of firsts and a second (think phil kessel deal from boston to toronto. You did not think at the time toronto would bottom out like they did, youre reasonably forecasting say somewhere in the 12 to 15 for each pick in the round) for Coots. What do you say?
- stayinthefnnet

Whom am I trading it to? The people who will do the trade are likely a top 10 club. That means I am getting 3 players outside top 20 odd for Couts?

No. We can do better I think.

thats a cool concept. i feel as though the expansion team may take umbrage with it because they are the intended beneficiary of the limited number of slots and the two independent teams are bartering to come to an agreement which theoretically benefits both of them at the expense of the expansion squad. still though, in a league where you can launder cap hits etc in trades, this isnt that much farther of a logical leap
- stayinthefnnet

Good points.

When you have anything in the pipeline, something that pans out in the future, you look at external opinions: as many, as valued, as you can. Because you are too close, and too attached to the asset to offer an unbiased appraisal.

It is true for your stock market positions. It is true for your real estate acquisitions. It is true for your children. It is true for your health.

But since many of you have an obsessional antipathy to external opinions and experts, it is difficult to reason with obstinacy, by definition.

So, you figure it out.
- PT21

Over the last, maybe, 6 years the Flyers players I mentioned have been highly ranked. Just the other day when I looked up that old article on Hart’s ranking, I noticed how highly Myers as an undrafted prospect was ranked by Pronman. I have actually followed most rankings over that timeframe.

Right now, those guys are at the NHL level. So yeah, there isn’t great unbiased rankings to draw on. I do think NHL.com for example has a less than stellar record. I have even heard you discount some of their picks that are based on reputation, and they also have tons of recency bias based on how a team in total has performed (team reputation).

thats a cool concept. i feel as though the expansion team may take umbrage with it because they are the intended beneficiary of the limited number of slots and the two independent teams are bartering to come to an agreement which theoretically benefits both of them at the expense of the expansion squad. still though, in a league where you can launder cap hits etc in trades, this isnt that much farther of a logical leap
- stayinthefnnet

Yea it would definitely probably not benefit the expansion team. But look at how well Vegas did right out of the chute. I think Seattle would be just fine and this should theoretically help the worse off teams in the league with draft/prospect capital.

thats a cool concept. i feel as though the expansion team may take umbrage with it because they are the intended beneficiary of the limited number of slots and the two independent teams are bartering to come to an agreement which theoretically benefits both of them at the expense of the expansion squad. still though, in a league where you can launder cap hits etc in trades, this isnt that much farther of a logical leap
- stayinthefnnet

Its an interesting concept, and I did not get it at first, but it would completely destroy the incentives: A stacked team could end up protecting almost everyone by trading with a team which has nothing to protect. Both gain from such trades.

It would force the ED team to pick players typically worse in quality than if there were no trades.

Over the last, maybe, 6 years the Flyers players I mentioned have been highly ranked. Just the other day when I looked up that old article on Hart’s ranking, I noticed how highly Myers as an undrafted prospect was ranked by Pronman. I have actually followed most rankings over that timeframe.

Right now, those guys are at the NHL level. So yeah, there isn’t great unbiased rankings to draw on. I do think NHL.com for example has a less than stellar record. I have even heard you discount some of their picks that are based on reputation, and they also have tons of recency bias based on how a team in total has performed (team reputation).
- NC Flyers Fan

It is one voice. Get as many as you can. Then look at draft position. That is a free market voice too. Then look at relative positions in league (juniors, minors) since draft.

Then make a clear-eyed assessment. Which means simply boiling it down to odds.

Bill if giroux wasn’t protected do you think the kraken would swoop him up? I see no risk due too contract

Huge giroux fan btw

It is one voice. Get as many as you can. Then look at draft position. That is a free market voice too. Then look at relative positions in league (juniors, minors) since draft.

Then make a clear-eyed assessment. Which means simply boiling it down to odds.
- PT21

Why don't you practice what you preach. You latch onto one opinion article and use it s the gold standard. A clear eyed assessment needs more than just using sources that fit your narrative. It also includes your own personal evaluation. A half way decent fan with knowledge of the game can see the impact Couturier makes on the ice and what makes him a top center in this league. He's actually even getting better offensively.

Bill if giroux wasn’t protected do you think the kraken would swoop him up? I see no risk due too contract

Huge giroux fan btw
- PhillaBully

Are your eyes open?