Correct, players with 2 years or less of NHL play do not need to be protected.
- jd250

Ok. Wow. It would be nice if we could trade protected slots

How little does the rest of the league think of Raffl and Gust that the Flyers had to cover salary just to get a 5th and 7th round pick for them? Yet AV was expected to roll these players out shift after shift, game after game, and somehow be a playoff team?

I say Fletcher did a good job standing pat, and getting rid of what he could. He has set this team up for the Expansion Draft and the NHL draft, where I sincerely hope he is able to significantly change the culture of this team. This is the most important offseason of Fletcher's GM career as far as I am concerned, its make or break time.

Also out of all that went down yesterday, I really like what Washington did yesterday in acquiring Manta. Washington just got magnitudes tougher to play against by getting a forward with size, skill and a lot of term left. I would say Washington is the team to beat in the East now.

I would have really loved for the Flyers to get a player like Manta, but I understand why they didn't. Though it disgusts me that after all this time the Flyers were not in position to make this trade.

How little does the rest of the league think of Raffl and Gust that the Flyers had to cover salary just to get a 5th and 7th round pick for them? Yet AV was expected to roll these players out shift after shift, game after game, and somehow be a playoff team?

I say Fletcher did a good job standing pat, and getting rid of what he could. He has set this team up for the Expansion Draft and the NHL draft, where I sincerely hope he is able to significantly change the culture of this team. This is the most important offseason of Fletcher's GM career as far as I am concerned, its make or break time.

Also out of all that went down yesterday, I really like what Washington did yesterday in acquiring Manta. Washington just got magnitudes tougher to play against by getting a forward with size, skill and a lot of term left. I would say Washington is the team to beat in the East now.

I would have really loved for the Flyers to get a player like Manta, but I understand why they didn't. Though it disgusts me that after all this time the Flyers were not in position to make this trade.
- jd250

I don't think anyone expected Gus to be rolled out game after game, shift after shift. But I wanted Raffl in the lineup every game.

Best article I have read about the Flyers this or any season hands down. Great job Mike! I couldn't have said this better no matter how hard I tried!

https://www.inquirer.com/...n-vigneault-20210412.html

Best article I have read about the Flyers this or any season hands down. Great job Mike! I couldn't have said this better no matter how hard I tried!

https://www.inquirer.com/...n-vigneault-20210412.html
- jd250

and we all know how hard you try to say a lot

1) Sneaking into the PO's and anything can happen includes 'anything'. So yeah, runner ups are relevant. Because once you get to the Finals, it's shown to be a near coin flip. between great regular season teams vs. everybody else. Again, anything can happen and does happen.

2) And we're only talking about teams that qualified for the POs, so why are you talking about average position out of 30? Nobody is arguing that the entire season is random (nobody is even arguing the PO's are). Average 6 out of ~16. Not such a strong correlation anymore.
- Tomahawk

Ok I understand this is a sports group but you please need to concentrate a little and shut out the idiots/distractions.

1. If by anything you literally mean anything/something, then yes, that statement cannot be refuted as it is a tautology. But we were talking about the cup. 16 teams come into playoffs for that one objective. To define the anything as something other than winning the cup is pointless. Further, the original point of discussion concerned winning the cup. So, first I will address the SC winning issue before looking at anything as "finals appearances".

2. I looked at entire league rankings because your data has teams ranked 17th and 18th, so I thought you wanted to have league-wide rankings as playoffs have only 16 teams of course. There will be no difference to our conclusions if we look at playoff seedings.

3. Now look closely at the data. The reason the average is 5.5 is because once an average is low, it can get pulled up way more by a high value than moved by a low value. It is not bell shaped around 5.5.




The median rather than the arithmetic mean is more appropriate. The median is 4. The data favors a team in the top half (8 or better rank) 75% of the time.That's a pretty strong correlation.

1) Sneaking into the PO's and anything can happen includes 'anything'. So yeah, runner ups are relevant. Because once you get to the Finals, it's shown to be a near coin flip between great regular season teams vs. everybody else. Again, anything can happen and does happen.

2) And we're only talking about teams that qualified for the POs, so why are you talking about average position out of 30? Nobody is arguing that the entire season is random (nobody is even arguing the PO's are). Average 6 out of ~16. Not such a strong correlation anymore.
- Tomahawk

No it is not a (frank)ing coin flip. If by great regular season teams you mean top 5 teams as you mentioned earlier, it is not a coin flip. For the same reason that it is not a coin flip if you got killed in Philly versus the rest of PA in 2019, even if total # of murders were roughly the same.

Because the rest of PA has 10 times the population of Philly. Just like there are more than 3 times as many non-top 5 times as there are top 5 times in the playoffs.

I will compute the exact probabilities for you:

Probability a top 5 team wins the cup: 8 times with total # of chances being 75 (15 years, 5 top teams each year). Probability: 12%

Probability a non top 5 teams wins: 8 times with total # of chances being 165 (15 years, 11 non top 5 teams each year). Probability of success of a non top-5 team winning is 4.8%.

Therefore, the chances of a top 5 team winning is 2.5 times the chances of a non top 5 team winning.

The great thing about PT21's insults is that they're not really insults to his intended target, but are actually insults to himself. He's just too smart to recognize it.


- Letterkenney

The great thing about PT21s insults are that they are not insults. He can simply be truthfully blunt about your mental capacity and that will be bad enough.

The level of stupid is unreal

The fact that this place is full of GQP patting each other on the back is bonkers.
- hereticpride

I find the attitude rather than the stupidity more unreal. Its as though you can change reality by shutting your eyes and arguing incessant nonsense.

The level of stupid is unreal

The fact that this place is full of GQP patting each other on the back is bonkers.
- hereticpride

Really disturbing. Makes me wonder what's wrong with me that I still read the comments here.

Really disturbing. Makes me wonder what's wrong with me that I still read the comments here.
- Dkos

We all gotta pitch in and do our bit to the best you can. Wade in the same way you would if your neighborhood gets threatened. It's aggravating and exhausting and you need a thick skin, but it should be done.

We all gotta pitch in and do our bit to the best you can. Wade in the same way you would if your neighborhood gets threatened. It's aggravating and exhausting and you need a thick skin, but it should be done.
- PT21

I'm not interested in telling anyone how they should think. That's your battle.

I'm not interested in telling anyone how they should think. That's your battle.
- Dkos

Would you take the same attitude if it was your family member who was espousing the same views? Your teenaged son, for instance?

Would you take the same attitude if it was your family member who was espousing the same views? Your teenaged son, for instance?
- PT21

Don't know. Can't even imagine that happening. My son's much smarter and better informed than me. I might listen to him.

Talk about Hyperbole! NHL coaches do not teach the basics to their players. They are focused on establishing a system in pre-season, then tweaking the system game by game based on advanced scouting. They are for sure also there to point out bad habits that are either team wide or individually and work to correct them.


- jd250

You are absolutely wrong. The Flyers just sent Carter Hart away from the team for a week to work on his goalie fundamentals. They absolutely coach individual playes on basics of the game. In all sports. Football ahs individual coaches for positions. For example, NHL coaches teach their players footwork and technique on pass blocking. In baseball, hitting coaches coach players and identify issues with the swing and work with players on that. Basketball has shooting coaches. The Sixers brought in Herb Magee to work on his shooting. You really don't think about things before posting.

You can just see 'it' in players, and I see it in Morin, and I don't see it in Myers. Morin skates well, but he uses his size and reach very well, is physical and covers the slot area. So far I have rarely seen Morin out of position, whereas with Myers its routine. AV has pointed out in his pressers that his staff has been working with Myers on the same things, but so far he is not getting it.

Look at the end of the day, Myers may be a late bloomer and turn out to be a great defenseman, and I hope he does. All I am saying is right not I don't see it.
- jd250

We already have established previously how what you don't see in players works out.

No it is not a (frank)ing coin flip. If by great regular season teams you mean top 5 teams as you mentioned earlier, it is not a coin flip. For the same reason that it is not a coin flip if you got killed in Philly versus the rest of PA in 2019, even if total # of murders were roughly the same.

Because the rest of PA has 10 times the population of Philly. Just like there are more than 3 times as many non-top 5 times as there are top 5 times in the playoffs.

I will compute the exact probabilities for you:

Probability a top 5 team wins the cup: 8 times with total # of chances being 75 (15 years, 5 top teams each year). Probability: 12%

Probability a non top 5 teams wins: 8 times with total # of chances being 165 (15 years, 11 non top 5 teams each year). Probability of success of a non top-5 team winning is 4.8%.

Therefore, the chances of a top 5 team winning is 2.5 times the chances of a non top 5 team winning.
- PT21

4.8%. Is that equal to never?

Don't know. Can't even imagine that happening. My son's much smarter and better informed than me. I might listen to him.
- Dkos

Condition on that impossibility and stop waffling.

"Never tell anyone what to think" is right-wing speak for claiming an equivalence between logic and delusion.

Further, the emphasis in that statement should be on think, not on tell, or anyone or what. Often there is little evidence of thought, which should surely be a less passive cerebral exercise.

You are absolutely wrong. The Flyers just sent Carter Hart away from the team for a week to work on his goalie fundamentals. They absolutely coach individual playes on basics of the game. In all sports. Football ahs individual coaches for positions. For example, NHL coaches teach their players footwork and technique on pass blocking. In baseball, hitting coaches coach players and identify issues with the swing and work with players on that. Basketball has shooting coaches. The Sixers brought in Herb Magee to work on his shooting. You really don't think about things before posting.




We already have established previously how what you don't see in players works out.
- MJL

why did the nikki sixxers try to help a hockey player with shooting?

why did the nikki sixxers try to help a hockey player with shooting?
- penguininnevada

Cause Nikki Sixx hits his goal when he shoots