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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 12 @ 10:32 PM ET
Maybe you're right. We should trust an adjunct professor from Philly before we trust thousands of physicians who are actually successfully treating #ChineseVirus for over a year now. And that Nobel Laureate from France that discovered the treatment. Let's face it. Political science is much more important that medical science. Too bad the rest of the world doesn't know how smart you are. You should tell them.
- Letterkenney



Ha ha ha.

Look at this moron.

Guys, we get to watch this for free.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 12 @ 10:35 PM ET
The great thing about PT21's insults is that they're not really insults to his intended target, but are actually insults to himself. He's just too smart to recognize it.


- Letterkenney


Exactly. If PT21 is insulting you or challenging your intelligence. You know you've got it just right.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Apr 12 @ 10:38 PM ET
Ha ha ha.

Look at this moron.

Guys, we get to watch this for free.

- PT21




Good night adjunct prof. Your arrogance is almost as amusing to everyone else as it is to you.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Apr 12 @ 10:39 PM ET
Exactly. If PT21 is insulting you or challenging your intelligence. You know you've got it just right.

- MJL


BINGO! Good night, MJ!

PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 12 @ 10:48 PM ET


Good night adjunct prof. Your arrogance is almost as amusing to everyone else as it is to you.

- Letterkenney


Good night my man.

Netflix calls, but this is almost as entertaining.

French Nobel Laureate and HDC.

HA HA HA HA HA HA.

My deepest sympathies to your family.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 12 @ 10:53 PM ET
The number of elementary mistakes you have made in this post is quite frankly, deeply dispiriting.

1. The issue under discussion is Stanley CUP WINNER. Not finals appearances. Nobody said anything about Finals appearance.

2. look at your own data. Average out the ranks you have provided in the column on the left. You get the average league rank of Stanley cup winner to be 6.5 out of 30 odd!!! If it was luck, you would have had 15.

I mean, DUDE!!!!!

EDIT: Even more convicingly, the average rank is 5.5, not 6.5. If that is not correlation for you, I don't know what is.

- PT21


1) Sneaking into the PO's and anything can happen includes 'anything'. So yeah, runner ups are relevant. Because once you get to the Finals, it's shown to be a near coin flip between great regular season teams vs. everybody else. Again, anything can happen and does happen.

2) And we're only talking about teams that qualified for the POs, so why are you talking about average position out of 30? Nobody is arguing that the entire season is random (nobody is even arguing the PO's are). Average 6 out of ~16. Not such a strong correlation anymore.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 12 @ 11:54 PM ET
covid = chinese originated viral infectious disease
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Apr 12 @ 11:56 PM ET
Maybe you're right. We should trust an adjunct professor from Philly before we trust thousands of physicians who are actually successfully treating #ChineseVirus for over a year now. And that Nobel Laureate from France that discovered the treatment. Let's face it. Political science is much more important that medical science. Too bad the rest of the world doesn't know how smart you are. You should tell them.
- Letterkenney


More worried about #UKVariant in SE PA these days.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Apr 13 @ 12:26 AM ET
But this is where I lose you. This is not high school hockey! These are professional hockey players. They are supposed to know how to play defense, use their size and reach, know angles to the puck, skate well, hit, cover, and play multiple defensive systems. These are correctable mistakes yes, but its not the coaches that need to correct them, its the professional players that need to put the time in and correct their own mistakes. But regarding Myers I go back to the point that is backed up by AV, its not the number of mistakes, its the types of mistakes that is the most concerning.

So forget Makar for a moment, and compare Morin to Myers. Morin has been hurt and has missed multiple seasons. Myers has played many more NHL games than Morin. Morin is only 1 year older than Myers. You tell me, which player this year has looked better? Which player has made a more significant impact to the team? Now if your honest you know the answer is Morin, so now tell me, why is that?

- jd250
hahaha
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Apr 13 @ 1:30 AM ET
God look at Laine goal tonight or tuch or Anderson. Must be nice. We have absolutely none of that.
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Apr 13 @ 3:51 AM ET
Ding dong, Gus is finally (frank)in gone! This gives Morin absolute certainty to see time the rest of the way.

I think Raffl being traded is long overdue. The loyalty was ridiculous. I’m glad Patrick is still here. I think next season will be more telling than this season after all he’s been through.

Blown away there is zero market for Ghost.

- SuperSchennBros

This loyalty was deserved.Role player dont do 500 games if they offer nothing
Raffl gave the team options and he is simple sound on defense most of the time
You can't say that for a lot of young players.
Even last year he replace Konecny on a lot of shift when he struggled with defense
And Konecny managed All-Star game
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 13 @ 7:25 AM ET
1) Sneaking into the PO's and anything can happen includes 'anything'. So yeah, runner ups are relevant. Because once you get to the Finals, it's shown to be a near coin flip between great regular season teams vs. everybody else. Again, anything can happen and does happen.

2) And we're only talking about teams that qualified for the POs, so why are you talking about average position out of 30? Nobody is arguing that the entire season is random (nobody is even arguing the PO's are). Average 6 out of ~16. Not such a strong correlation anymore.

- Tomahawk


Don't get sidetracked. It's not about correlation. It's about Pt21's statement.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Apr 13 @ 7:34 AM ET
If the Flyers leave Voracek and JVR unprotected, they can protect both Patrick and Lindblom
- MJL

Thanks MJL! I hope to God they expose jake but I'm not sure what they'll do with JVR...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 13 @ 7:36 AM ET
When I back read all this nonsense this morning I didn't realize it was going to be a script read for a Big Bang Theory reboot.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 13 @ 7:37 AM ET
Thanks MJL! I hope to God they expose jake but I'm not sure what they'll do with JVR...
- Bob Habib



I would actually be SHOCKED if they protect either JVR or Voracek.
goenzoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.11.2014

Apr 13 @ 7:44 AM ET
I would actually be SHOCKED if they protect either JVR or Voracek.
- MBFlyerfan


Voracek is a great player just on the wrong team
His maybe overpaid but the only wingers(RW) doing much better you can count on one hand ( Kane,Rantanen,Marner,Stone)

All others are in his ballpark ( 30-35 points )

JVR the same at least this year
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 13 @ 7:49 AM ET
Voracek is a great player just on the wrong team
His maybe overpaid but the only wingers(RW) doing much better you can count on one hand ( Kane,Rantanen,Marner,Stone)

All others are in his ballpark ( 30-35 points )

JVR the same at least this year

- goenzoy


He's not a great player. Voracek is a good offensive player. The issue is other than when he has the puck, Voracek is not a very good player. So when he's not playing well offensively, then he's not much of an asset. The problem is you need to replace that offense.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 13 @ 8:26 AM ET
Ha ha ha.

Look at this moron.

Guys, we get to watch this for free.

- PT21

The level of stupid is unreal

The fact that this place is full of GQP patting each other on the back is bonkers.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Apr 13 @ 8:29 AM ET
Morning Flyers fans, how we doing today? How is the confidence level for this organization to turn this around in the next 5 years.

Can never go wrong once again with a Perkins breakfast.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Apr 13 @ 8:31 AM ET
He's not a great player. Voracek is a good offensive player. The issue is other than when he has the puck, Voracek is not a very good player. So when he's not playing well offensively, then he's not much of an asset. The problem is you need to replace that offense.
- MJL

Can yo you replace him with a lesser player and still be a better team? Of course you can. Wouldn't worry one iota about replacing Bobbys points.

Besides as all the "young" players grow that production can come internally as they get better no?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 13 @ 8:31 AM ET
I would actually be SHOCKED if they protect either JVR or Voracek.
- MBFlyerfan


Seems pretty clear cut to me unless I’m missing something

Giroux
Hayes
Coots
Konecny
Laughton
Farabee
Lindblom

Provorov
Myers
Sanheim

Hart
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Apr 13 @ 8:40 AM ET
Seems pretty clear cut to me unless I’m missing something

Giroux
Hayes
Coots
Konecny
Laughton
Farabee
Lindblom

Provorov
Myers
Sanheim

Hart

- Just5


I dont think Farabee has to be protected
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 13 @ 8:51 AM ET
So by this logic, NHL players don't need coaching in terms of playing defense or any other part of the game. They really shouldn't even need practice. I don't know why NHL coaches have practice and run drills such as forecheck drills, defensive coverage drills etc. Why they have video sessions. These are professional hockey players for heavens sake. Coaches should just show up for games to put the lineup together and tell the players which line is up next. Coaches should also never be fired. These are professional players. Why is everyone calling for the assistant coaches to be fired? These are professional players.
- MJL

Talk about Hyperbole! NHL coaches do not teach the basics to their players. They are focused on establishing a system in pre-season, then tweaking the system game by game based on advanced scouting. They are for sure also there to point out bad habits that are either team wide or individually and work to correct them.


This is another poorly thought out comment. Morin has barely played, is in a 3rd line role and is playing what, 10 minutes a game? A little early to be toting big Sam in a small sample size. Are you telling me Morin has made a bigger impact this year than Myers did last year?

I'm also still waiting for you to provide those reports from the past that stated that Myers is un-coachable and unwilling to use his size and reach before this season.

- MJL

You can just see 'it' in players, and I see it in Morin, and I don't see it in Myers. Morin skates well, but he uses his size and reach very well, is physical and covers the slot area. So far I have rarely seen Morin out of position, whereas with Myers its routine. AV has pointed out in his pressers that his staff has been working with Myers on the same things, but so far he is not getting it.

Look at the end of the day, Myers may be a late bloomer and turn out to be a great defenseman, and I hope he does. All I am saying is right not I don't see it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 13 @ 8:52 AM ET
I dont think Farabee has to be protected
- 3flyerkids

Correct, players with 2 years or less of NHL play do not need to be protected.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Apr 13 @ 8:53 AM ET
Voracek is a great player just on the wrong team
His maybe overpaid but the only wingers(RW) doing much better you can count on one hand ( Kane,Rantanen,Marner,Stone)

All others are in his ballpark ( 30-35 points )

JVR the same at least this year

- goenzoy
Voracek is NOT a great player! He is a very skillful player, but that doesn't make him a great player. He has a low hockey IQ and he only really cares about one end of the rink. That makes him a good player that is overpaid for what he gives you.
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