They didn't rush any "young" player. That is a BS false narrative. PHil Myers is 24 and did his time in the AHL. Myers wasn't asked to replace Niskannen. He has been subpar going back to last years playoffs. Maybe he just isnt that good. Funny how Hart wasn't "rushed" when he was playing well. Now that he isn't he was "rushed". Take that BS excuse elsewhere.
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I don't think Sanheim or Myers were rushed actually. They were put in a position where they needed to play 18+ minutes a game, and they just can't handle it. Was Farabee rushed last season when he played 52 games at 19 years old? Was Laughton rushed in 2014 when at 21 years old he played his first full NHL season? We see players all over this league making huge contributions to their respective teams at 19, 20, 21 years of age, but what, with the Flyers you can't be expected to play good until you hit 25 years old? Nonsense!

Been exciting so far...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

So this is another example in out personal interactions where I was right and you were wrong?

Here is something else you're wrong about. You're mistakenly looking at age, instead of experience. No young defenseman can be declared to be done developing at 102 NHL games played. It's playing experience that matters, not age. You also fail to consider history. Many, many very good NHL defenseman, didn't bloom until their mid 20's with more games played than Myers has. Experience wise, Myers is still raw.
- MJL

No, I don't think I was wrong, we just don't know what would have happened to be honest if Fletcher was able to make some deals in March. The fact is he didn't and we are where we are now.

I don't think Sanheim or Myers were rushed actually. They were put in a position where they needed to play 18+ minutes a game, and they just can't handle it. Was Farabee rushed last season when he played 52 games at 19 years old? Was Laughton rushed in 2014 when at 21 years old he played his first full NHL season? We see players all over this league making huge contributions to their respective teams at 19, 20, 21 years of age, but what, with the Flyers you can't be expected to play good until you hit 25 years old? Nonsense!
- jd250

In Sanheim's rookie year, how many games did he sit out as a scratch?

How can you say that asking Myers, who was basically still a rookie in the league to play on the top pair with Provorov, isn't rushing him?

How do most top young defenseman who aren't elite talents, normally break in in the NHL?

We have the dumbest beat writers, I swear. I get Patrick has underwhelmed us, but now some beats are suggesting there was a reason Patrick didn’t join us in the bubble, such as he just didn’t want to be with the team. Get a grip lmao.

Expansion Draft + Flat Cap = Another Boring Trade Deadline
- jd250

Ive been told over and over that neither of them are factors.

I still don't understand how the Flyers have rushed or put too much on their younger players?

Do all teams let their players develop until they are 27-28?
- Glak18

Its a point worth debating.

Provorov's 6th season.
TK's 5th
Sanheim's 4th.
Myers' 3rd (more like 2nd in # of games played).
Hart's 3rd.
Bee's 2nd (and he has been fine)


The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. They might still need maturing. But also, very possible none of them is a stud down the line.

I think the biggest disappointment for me this season is Provorov.

Place your bets, place them now!

1) Trade deadline comes and not one single move is done for the Flyers

2) Minor swap of nothing

3) Major move for the future
- Glak18

nfw #3 happens

#1 most likely imho

No, I don't think I was wrong, we just don't know what would have happened to be honest if Fletcher was able to make some deals in March. The fact is he didn't and we are where we are now.
- jd250

No, you were wrong. You were adamant that Ekholm would fix the defense and he was a top pairing defenseman who push the Flyers in a playoff run. I told you repeatedly that they had no business making that move and that Ekholm would not do what you think he would.

In a move that recalled Jeremy Roenick's waiver of his NTC to clear room for Peter Forsberg to come to Philadelphia, Flyers Captain Claude Giroux agreed today to be traded to a rebuilding Columbus Blue Jackets for Seth Jones. Also traded to CBJ were Scott Laughton and Travis Sanheim.

"At the end of the day, I realize this move had to be made for the sake of the franchise I love," said Giroux. "While I will always be a Flyers at heart, I recognize we have not been good enough. As a Captain, the buck stops with me and I believe that this trade will put the franchise that has given me so much back on the right track."
- PT21

lol

Even crazier is some here think that Giroux should/would do something like tha.

I want to preface this post with stating that this is not a knock on Chuck Fletcher and it is not directed at everyone. Those who it is, know who they are. When Fletcher traded for Niskanen ( a very good trade), signed Hayes and traded for Braun and the Flyers were playing well, many fans were very happy. They wanted Hextall gone because he was too slow to act and patience was lost. Now that Dave Scott's master plan has unraveled, the fanbase is up in arms. What has happened here is that the Flyers rushed the process. They put young players in spots they weren't ready for too soon. It is not a coincidence that many young players all regressed at he same time. There are other factors such as injury and illness that couldn't be controlled. However the Flyers haven't built a solid environment or handled player development like they should of. The perfect examples are Carter Hart and Phil Myers. Two very talented young players who look like they can't play! Both of those players decline is as much on the Flyers if not more than on the players themselves. I'm a big fan of AV but the coaching staff as a whole has done a horrendous job. Constant lineup changes, line juggling and inconsistency. They have not done anything to correct the issues with the team. If you list any reason of what a hockey team can do wrong, the Flyers checked that box this season. They don't play like a team. No continuity, no teamwork. Poor team defense, puck management, overstaying shifts, poor line changes, overpassing. Poor forecheck structure. No 2nd level in the neutral zone. Lost coverages and mix ups. No significant adjustments on the PP or PK. You name it, it's there.

Now understandably, the fanbase is frustrated and has lost patience. They now want the team, in a flat cap environment, to make major changes. Good luck with that. This has disaster written all over it. I made numerous posts in the past saying I wanted the Flyers to remain patient with the young players and not rush them. I had a conversation with Tomahawk about Myers stepping up and replacing Niskanen. I said I had doubts. I'm not knocking Tomahawk because I believe he was trying to be optimistic. I'll never knock that. However he isn't ready for that and it has set him back. I wanted the Flyers to stay out of long term free agency. Again, many loved the moves that Fletcher made. Wanted to be relevant. What makes anyone think that Chuck Fletcher is going to be able to wheel and deal this team to the top? Pressure from upper management and the fanbase is high. I see this as a disaster waiting to happen. My biggest hope is that this happens, the Flyers are successful and you can all tell me I was wrong but I haven't been so far.
- MJL

I wouldn't say the "master plan is unraveling". Covid changed a lot of what you can do now with the flat cap. Also a lot of the "long term" deals hurting the Flyers were inherited. I think Fletcher has actually stayed the process. He hasn't moved any top prospects or top end picks in bad deals. Did he maybe put too much hope in his younger players, probably. Did he not make a move to replace Niskanen, yeah but he also didn't go out and make a bad deal either just to fill his spot. I think some changes are needed moving forward but I can't sit here and kill Fletcher.

In Sanheim's rookie year, how many games did he sit out as a scratch?

How can you say that asking Myers, who was basically still a rookie in the league to play on the top pair with Provorov, isn't rushing him?

How do most top young defenseman who aren't elite talents, normally break in in the NHL?
- MJL

Myers may have started with Provorov, but he was moved to other pairs and he didn't work out with any partner he was with. Why is this? Its because the types of mistakes Myers make are lot more than positioning, its about heart and coachability and this is what is extremely concerning about him. Myers has size but doesn't use it. He shies away from contact and is not willing to take a hit to make a play. This is not something you can teach, you either have this or you don't. According to AV, Myers has also been difficult to coach, not grasping the system they want him to play. Maybe he can play better in a another system but he does not look like a fit here, unless many things change.

lol

Even crazier is some here think that Giroux should/would do something like tha.
- Scoob

No the crazier thing is the same people will want Seth Jones traded within 2 years tops..."WTF we traded our captain for a bust".

In their mind Jones is guaranteed to be a stud for the Flyers, but would he be?

I wouldn't say the "master plan is unraveling". Covid changed a lot of what you can do now with the flat cap. Also a lot of the "long term" deals hurting the Flyers were inherited. I think Fletcher has actually stayed the process. He hasn't moved any top prospects or top end picks in bad deals. Did he maybe put too much hope in his younger players, probably. Did he not make a move to replace Niskanen, yeah but he also didn't go out and make a bad deal either just to fill his spot. I think some changes are needed moving forward but I can't sit here and kill Fletcher.
- J35Bacher

You don't make a move like the Hayes move if you stick with the master plan. Giroux could easily have played 2C.

With Hayes, they gambled, and lost big time.

Dave Scott's master plan
- MJL

Honestly I don't think he ever had one. I think he intervened when things got loud. He should've left the hockey decisions to the hockey folks.

No, you were wrong. You were adamant that Ekholm would fix the defense and he was a top pairing defenseman who push the Flyers in a playoff run. I told you repeatedly that they had no business making that move and that Ekholm would not do what you think he would.
- MJL

But you don't know this. Adding Ekholm might have slotted the other Dmen in better spots and stabilized what was clearly an unstable defense. Morin has come up and been a good player, Ghost has improved at least offensively. It surely might have been enough!

And how could I foresee Hart melting down as he did in March? Also at the time I thought the forward group was good enough, so if anything I made the mistake of overrating our forward group.

You don't make a move like the Hayes move if you stick with the master plan. Giroux could easily have played 2C.

With Hayes, they gambled, and lost big time.
- PT21

Giroux’s days of playing 2c on a regular basis are done.

Honestly I don't think he ever had one. I think he intervened when things got loud. He should've left the hockey decisions to the hockey folks.
- Scoob

What hockey decisions has Dave Scott made so far? I don't know of any to be honest ...

Anyone know what the Flyers trade deadline deals were the past 5 years?

Zzzzzz status quo from poopty Philly. Time to mow the grass. So much more exciting

Giroux’s days of playing 2c on a regular basis are done.
- Sinisalo4vr

One has to be clear what the long term goal is. You accept you are not going to be contending right now.

Under such circumstances, Giroux could be 1C if he had to be.

I still don't understand how the Flyers have rushed or put too much on their younger players?

Do all teams let their players develop until they are 27-28?
- Glak18

That’s just more excuses....there are plenty of guys a lot younger then Myers that are playing just fine...he has played well in the past? So again it’s just a laughable argument that he was rushed. .Hart played great last year and was the best player in the bubble? Was he rushed ?
The one guy that may have been rushed was Nolan Patrick. That’s on Hextall, not Fletcher. Perhaps the team isn’t as talented as most think. Maybe Hextall should have listened to his scouts and drafted a d man instead of Patrick...The Long term free agents they have signed recently again belong to both Fletcher and Hextall and were meant to be guys that could fit in with the core. The Flyers needed scoring so they signed JVR....Patrick who was actually rushed and not ready , forced the Flyers to adapt , so they hoped Hayes could fill a hole as the 2nd line C.
So now the Flyers are in a place where it’s obvious major changes are needed if they want to compete....to me it’s the mismanagement of both the current and former regimes.
Is not going to be easy but it’s not like the Flyers are the only team with big contracts or under performing guys....it’s a big off season. In closing rebuilds eventually have to end....some just don’t get that this is a pro sports team....winning matters. When it’s apparent that your no closer to turning the corner after 5 years of a rebuild it’s time for a new vision. Perhaps the Flyers should have focused more on player development after these kids were drafted, because it seems to be happening to often to this team. What are other teams doing right that the Flyers aren’t? When they get that fixed then we might actually see if Hextall was a genius that so many think he was.

Anyone know what the Flyers trade deadline deals were the past 5 years?
- Glak18

Simmer for a fourth

You don't make a move like the Hayes move if you stick with the master plan. Giroux could easily have played 2C.

With Hayes, they gambled, and lost big time.
- PT21

You do when you have no clue what is happening with the health of Patrick and they wanted Giroux on the wing. I don't see the Hayes deal being bad. I think what hurts is the money your paying Voracek and van reimsdyk(even though he has been better this year).

Also the play of Provorov and Hart haven't helped this team.

Mete claimed off waivers...

Vatanen claimed....

For some reason it's like teams want defensemen....well not all.
- Glak18

Mete is interesting but Vatanen isn't that good. We'd be running him out Philly in no time if he were here.