Brayden Coburn!! Jeff Carter!!!

Flyers lose to Sabres and Pens get Carter. This year should have been Pens going down and the Flyers coming into the beginning of a window. Big difference between championship mentality and not.

That Hextall doesn't like to trade picks for players.

Are they just waiting until latter in the day to announce who we traded? Let’s go.
- Peter Richards

In a move that recalled Jeremy Roenick's waiver of his NTC to clear room for Peter Forsberg to come to Philadelphia, Flyers Captain Claude Giroux agreed today to be traded to a rebuilding Columbus Blue Jackets for Seth Jones. Also traded to CBJ were Scott Laughton and Travis Sanheim.

"At the end of the day, I realize this move had to be made for the sake of the franchise I love," said Giroux. "While I will always be a Flyers at heart, I recognize we have not been good enough. As a Captain, the buck stops with me and I believe that this trade will put the franchise that has given me so much back on the right track."

Expansion Draft + Flat Cap = Another Boring Trade Deadline

In a move that recalled Jeremy Roenick's waiver of his NTC to clear room for Peter Forsberg to come to Philadelphia, Flyers Captain Claude Giroux agreed today to be traded to a rebuilding Columbus Blue Jackets for Seth Jones. Also traded to CBJ were Scott Laughton and Travis Sanheim.

"At the end of the day, I realize this move had to be made for the sake of the franchise I love," said Giroux. "While I will always be a Flyers at heart, I recognize we have not been good enough. As a Captain, the buck stops with me and I believe that this trade will put the franchise that has given me so much back on the right track."
- PT21

Um, no. Maybe in NHL 2K21.

Well, how exactly would you have had them react? They have benched multiple players for games. They have waived Ghost. They have played Morin in the front and back. They have given Hart a week off.

Their leeway for reaction is quite limited you know. What exactly can they do?
- PT21

Trades are hard....but if ever a team needed a move it was the Flyers in March. True there are some unmovable’s but I can’t think he couldn’t do anything.

Eklund cracks me up, he lists himself as his own Source!

He must have threw a potent bong on the barb this morning if he thinks the Flyers are in play for Gaudreau and Goligoski!

Um, no. Maybe in NHL 2K21.
- BroadSTmayhem

Based on the way things are going in CBJ, I think Jones will be up for grabs soon. No one is giving up a king's ransom to sign a player they might not have for more than a season.

CBJ could do worse than that.

Trades are hard....but if ever a team needed a move it was the Flyers in March. True there are some unmovable’s but I can’t think he couldn’t do anything.
- landros 2

The team was playing poorly from just about the start of this season. Fletcher I am sure talks with his coaches every day, and thus I think they all knew what we saw also, that this team was not worth investing in. However to make the changes necessary would mean trading your top prospects and picks in order to move veterans that no other teams want, and that would mean starting over from the ground up, not something Fletcher was brought in here to do. However with no track record of actually accelerating teams to the next level either, I wonder why he was brought in here at all? Maybe he was just less confrontational than Hextall and that is all Holmgren wanted.

Based on the way things are going in CBJ, I think Jones will be up for grabs soon. No one is giving up a king's ransom to sign a player they might not have for more than a season.

CBJ could do worse than that.
- PT21

If any team has the capability to do this its the Flyers, but its going to cost York and a 1st round pick for starters.

If any team has the capability to do this its the Flyers, but its going to cost York and a 1st round pick for starters.
- jd250

I thought it started with Myers and Patrick

I want to preface this post with stating that this is not a knock on Chuck Fletcher and it is not directed at everyone. Those who it is, know who they are. When Fletcher traded for Niskanen ( a very good trade), signed Hayes and traded for Braun and the Flyers were playing well, many fans were very happy. They wanted Hextall gone because he was too slow to act and patience was lost. Now that Dave Scott's master plan has unraveled, the fanbase is up in arms. What has happened here is that the Flyers rushed the process. They put young players in spots they weren't ready for too soon. It is not a coincidence that many young players all regressed at he same time. There are other factors such as injury and illness that couldn't be controlled. However the Flyers haven't built a solid environment or handled player development like they should of. The perfect examples are Carter Hart and Phil Myers. Two very talented young players who look like they can't play! Both of those players decline is as much on the Flyers if not more than on the players themselves. I'm a big fan of AV but the coaching staff as a whole has done a horrendous job. Constant lineup changes, line juggling and inconsistency. They have not done anything to correct the issues with the team. If you list any reason of what a hockey team can do wrong, the Flyers checked that box this season. They don't play like a team. No continuity, no teamwork. Poor team defense, puck management, overstaying shifts, poor line changes, overpassing. Poor forecheck structure. No 2nd level in the neutral zone. Lost coverages and mix ups. No significant adjustments on the PP or PK. You name it, it's there.

Now understandably, the fanbase is frustrated and has lost patience. They now want the team, in a flat cap environment, to make major changes. Good luck with that. This has disaster written all over it. I made numerous posts in the past saying I wanted the Flyers to remain patient with the young players and not rush them. I had a conversation with Tomahawk about Myers stepping up and replacing Niskanen. I said I had doubts. I'm not knocking Tomahawk because I believe he was trying to be optimistic. I'll never knock that. However he isn't ready for that and it has set him back. I wanted the Flyers to stay out of long term free agency. Again, many loved the moves that Fletcher made. Wanted to be relevant. What makes anyone think that Chuck Fletcher is going to be able to wheel and deal this team to the top? Pressure from upper management and the fanbase is high. I see this as a disaster waiting to happen. My biggest hope is that this happens, the Flyers are successful and you can all tell me I was wrong but I haven't been so far.

Mete claimed off waivers...

Vatanen claimed....

For some reason it's like teams want defensemen....well not all.

Mete claimed off waivers...

Vatanen claimed....

For some reason it's like teams want defensemen....well not all.
- Glak18

just not ours

The team was playing poorly from just about the start of this season. Fletcher I am sure talks with his coaches every day, and thus I think they all knew what we saw also, that this team was not worth investing in. However to make the changes necessary would mean trading your top prospects and picks in order to move veterans that no other teams want, and that would mean starting over from the ground up, not something Fletcher was brought in here to do. However with no track record of actually accelerating teams to the next level either, I wonder why he was brought in here at all? Maybe he was just less confrontational than Hextall and that is all Holmgren wanted.
- jd250

This is a very good post although it's not all accurate. I knew it wasn't worth investing in. You however wanted the Flyers to make a big move to make a playoff run. I knew that it wasn't going to happen.

Great line from the Calgary GM: "Its not our job today to do an autopsy on a corpse"

I want to preface this post with stating that this is not a knock on Chuck Fletcher and it is not directed at everyone. Those who it is, know who they are. When Fletcher traded for Niskanen ( a very good trade), signed Hayes and traded for Braun and the Flyers were playing well, many fans were very happy. They wanted Hextall gone because he was too slow to act and patience was lost. Now that Dave Scott's master plan has unraveled, the fanbase is up in arms. What has happened here is that the Flyers rushed the process. They put young players in spots they weren't ready for too soon. It is not a coincidence that many young players all regressed at he same time. There are other factors such as injury and illness that couldn't be controlled. However the Flyers haven't built a solid environment or handled player development like they should of. The perfect examples are Carter Hart and Phil Myers. Two very talented young players who look like they can't play! Both of those players decline is as much on the Flyers if not more than on the players themselves. I'm a big fan of AV but the coaching staff as a whole has done a horrendous job. Constant lineup changes, line juggling and inconsistency. They have not done anything to correct the issues with the team. If you list any reason of what a hockey team can do wrong, the Flyers checked that box this season. They don't play like a team. No continuity, no teamwork. Poor team defense, puck management, overstaying shifts, poor line changes, overpassing. Poor forecheck structure. No 2nd level in the neutral zone. Lost coverages and mix ups. No significant adjustments on the PP or PK. You name it, it's there.

Now understandably, the fanbase is frustrated and has lost patience. They now want the team, in a flat cap environment, to make major changes. Good luck with that. This has disaster written all over it. I made numerous posts in the past saying I wanted the Flyers to remain patient with the young players and not rush them. I had a conversation with Tomahawk about Myers stepping up and replacing Niskanen. I said I had doubts. I'm not knocking Tomahawk because I believe he was trying to be optimistic. I'll never knock that. However he isn't ready for that and it has set him back. I wanted the Flyers to stay out of long term free agency. Again, many loved the moves that Fletcher made. Wanted to be relevant. What makes anyone think that Chuck Fletcher is going to be able to wheel and deal this team to the top? Pressure from upper management and the fanbase is high. I see this as a disaster waiting to happen. My biggest hope is that this happens, the Flyers are successful and you can all tell me I was wrong but I haven't been so far.
- MJL

I want crinkle cut fires

I want to preface this post with stating that this is not a knock on Chuck Fletcher and it is not directed at everyone. Those who it is, know who they are. When Fletcher traded for Niskanen ( a very good trade), signed Hayes and traded for Braun and the Flyers were playing well, many fans were very happy. They wanted Hextall gone because he was too slow to act and patience was lost. Now that Dave Scott's master plan has unraveled, the fanbase is up in arms. What has happened here is that the Flyers rushed the process. They put young players in spots they weren't ready for too soon. It is not a coincidence that many young players all regressed at he same time. There are other factors such as injury and illness that couldn't be controlled. However the Flyers haven't built a solid environment or handled player development like they should of. The perfect examples are Carter Hart and Phil Myers. Two very talented young players who look like they can't play! Both of those players decline is as much on the Flyers if not more than on the players themselves. I'm a big fan of AV but the coaching staff as a whole has done a horrendous job. Constant lineup changes, line juggling and inconsistency. They have not done anything to correct the issues with the team. If you list any reason of what a hockey team can do wrong, the Flyers checked that box this season. They don't play like a team. No continuity, no teamwork. Poor team defense, puck management, overstaying shifts, poor line changes, overpassing. Poor forecheck structure. No 2nd level in the neutral zone. Lost coverages and mix ups. No significant adjustments on the PP or PK. You name it, it's there.

Now understandably, the fanbase is frustrated and has lost patience. They now want the team, in a flat cap environment, to make major changes. Good luck with that. This has disaster written all over it. I made numerous posts in the past saying I wanted the Flyers to remain patient with the young players and not rush them. I had a conversation with Tomahawk about Myers stepping up and replacing Niskanen. I said I had doubts. I'm not knocking Tomahawk because I believe he was trying to be optimistic. I'll never knock that. However he isn't ready for that and it has set him back. I wanted the Flyers to stay out of long term free agency. Again, many loved the moves that Fletcher made. Wanted to be relevant. What makes anyone think that Chuck Fletcher is going to be able to wheel and deal this team to the top? Pressure from upper management and the fanbase is high. I see this as a disaster waiting to happen. My biggest hope is that this happens, the Flyers are successful and you can all tell me I was wrong but I haven't been so far.
- MJL

They didn't rush any "young" player. That is a BS false narrative. PHil Myers is 24 and did his time in the AHL. Myers wasn't asked to replace Niskannen. He has been subpar going back to last years playoffs. Maybe he just isnt that good. Funny how Hart wasn't "rushed" when he was playing well. Now that he isn't he was "rushed". Take that BS excuse elsewhere.

This is a very good post although it's not all accurate. I knew it wasn't worth investing in. You however wanted the Flyers to make a big move to make a playoff run. I knew that it wasn't going to happen.
- MJL

Yes I did and I still do, albeit now for next season and beyond. As bad as the team was playing, I was hopeful that a few moves would right the ship, since I knew the crew we had was not going to right the ship themselves. I was not ready to lose the hockey season; I wanted more. It never happened and the team spiraled down bigtime in March. Yesterday's game was a melt-down of Red Sox proportion, it really came out of nowhere given the way this team was playing and had been playing in April. A lot of what you posted in your most recent long post I agreed with, except here is where you and I are most misaligned. You think a player that is 25 years old still has a lot of upside and can develop significantly more, I don't. I think once you get 24+ years old, you are what you are in terms of major development and impact to the team. I was in on Myers at the start of the season, I'm not now.

I want to preface this post with stating that this is not a knock on Chuck Fletcher and it is not directed at everyone. Those who it is, know who they are. When Fletcher traded for Niskanen ( a very good trade), signed Hayes and traded for Braun and the Flyers were playing well, many fans were very happy. They wanted Hextall gone because he was too slow to act and patience was lost. Now that Dave Scott's master plan has unraveled, the fanbase is up in arms. What has happened here is that the Flyers rushed the process. They put young players in spots they weren't ready for too soon. It is not a coincidence that many young players all regressed at he same time. There are other factors such as injury and illness that couldn't be controlled. However the Flyers haven't built a solid environment or handled player development like they should of. The perfect examples are Carter Hart and Phil Myers. Two very talented young players who look like they can't play! Both of those players decline is as much on the Flyers if not more than on the players themselves. I'm a big fan of AV but the coaching staff as a whole has done a horrendous job. Constant lineup changes, line juggling and inconsistency. They have not done anything to correct the issues with the team. If you list any reason of what a hockey team can do wrong, the Flyers checked that box this season. They don't play like a team. No continuity, no teamwork. Poor team defense, puck management, overstaying shifts, poor line changes, overpassing. Poor forecheck structure. No 2nd level in the neutral zone. Lost coverages and mix ups. No significant adjustments on the PP or PK. You name it, it's there.

Now understandably, the fanbase is frustrated and has lost patience. They now want the team, in a flat cap environment, to make major changes. Good luck with that. This has disaster written all over it. I made numerous posts in the past saying I wanted the Flyers to remain patient with the young players and not rush them. I had a conversation with Tomahawk about Myers stepping up and replacing Niskanen. I said I had doubts. I'm not knocking Tomahawk because I believe he was trying to be optimistic. I'll never knock that. However he isn't ready for that and it has set him back. I wanted the Flyers to stay out of long term free agency. Again, many loved the moves that Fletcher made. Wanted to be relevant. What makes anyone think that Chuck Fletcher is going to be able to wheel and deal this team to the top? Pressure from upper management and the fanbase is high. I see this as a disaster waiting to happen. My biggest hope is that this happens, the Flyers are successful and you can all tell me I was wrong but I haven't been so far.
- MJL

They have put too much on the young players. The best way out is to be patient and not try a quick fix. Let's just hope their confidence hasn't been crushed for good.

I have this feeling we are going to be reading this a lot the next week:

"How come Fletcher didn't trade [fill in name] or get [fill in name]?"

They have put too much on the young players. The best way out is to be patient and not try a quick fix. Let's just hope their confidence hasn't been crushed for good.
- Hextall271

I still don't understand how the Flyers have rushed or put too much on their younger players?

Do all teams let their players develop until they are 27-28?

If any team has the capability to do this its the Flyers, but its going to cost York and a 1st round pick for starters.
- jd250

Maybe, maybe.

The thing about signing for these big name soon to be UFAs is that they hold all the cards.

Lets say the market price for Jones is 9 m. He asks for 10.

Is the club going to really turn around to the fan base and say they traded away York and a 1st and at least 1 very good roster player for the sake of 1 year of Jones and 1 million they were not willing to pay?

No. They have to give him at least 9.5.

I have this feeling we are going to be reading this a lot the next week:

"How come Fletcher didn't trade
- Glak18[fill in name] or get [fill in name]?"

Don't we read that a lot EVERY week?

Yes I did and I still do, albeit now for next season and beyond. As bad as the team was playing, I was hopeful that a few moves would right the ship, since I knew the crew we had was not going to right the ship themselves. I was not ready to lose the hockey season; I wanted more. It never happened and the team spiraled down bigtime in March. Yesterday's game was a melt-down of Red Sox proportion, it really came out of nowhere given the way this team was playing and had been playing in April. A lot of what you posted in your most recent long post I agreed with, except here is where you and I are most misaligned. You think a player that is 25 years old still has a lot of upside and can develop significantly more, I don't. I think once you get 24+ years old, you are what you are in terms of major development and impact to the team. I was in on Myers at the start of the season, I'm not now.
- jd250

So this is another example in out personal interactions where I was right and you were wrong?

Here is something else you're wrong about. You're mistakenly looking at age, instead of experience. No young defenseman can be declared to be done developing at 102 NHL games played. It's playing experience that matters, not age. You also fail to consider history. Many, many very good NHL defenseman, didn't bloom until their mid 20's with more games played than Myers has. Experience wise, Myers is still raw.