Market has gone way up after Benning took all his trade chips off the market.
- manvanfan

Stupid Benning gave them COVID

Foligno is better than Boyd and Vesey combined.

I could care less about the rest. 😁
- manvanfan

Comparing waiver pick ups with trades revolving 1st round picks isn't quite the same.

Comparing waiver pick ups with trades revolving 1st round picks isn't quite the same.
- Codes1087

Thank you

I mean they're all in. It's justifiable because they're one of the most talented teams in the league .......but anything short of a cup and they'll regret that trade. Picking late 20's you probably won't see that player on the team for 3+ years.

A late first from a top team isn't much different from a 2nd from a bottom team.
- golfingsince

I mean, even without folignos "leadership/intangibles", the team is absolutely on fire right now. If it's between keeping a late 1st and a 4th, or getting foligno, if rather keep the picks.

Comparing waiver pick ups with trades revolving 1st round picks isn't quite the same.
- Codes1087

Very true. Great trade for the jackets

Very true. Great trade the jackets
- neem55

Excellent haul for cbj, and a nice little move by San Jose as well to eat a bit of salary and gain a 4th.

I mean, even without folignos "leadership/intangibles", the team is absolutely on fire right now. If it's between keeping a late 1st and a 4th, or getting foligno, if rather keep the picks.
- Codes1087

It's definitely another all-in move for Dubas. I think if you're a player, you love it. But ya, he over paid imo.

I mean, even without folignos "leadership/intangibles", the team is absolutely on fire right now. If it's between keeping a late 1st and a 4th, or getting foligno, if rather keep the picks.
- Codes1087

I hear what you're saying, but the team is close. (IMO especially with Campbell)

I call it Scotia north syndrome. They probably look better than they are because the division is weak.

However, they've also been a very good team while sharing a division with TB and Boston. All they have to do is come out of the division and they're in the semis. After that, they have as good a chance as any team.

Comparing waiver pick ups with trades revolving 1st round picks isn't quite the same.
- Codes1087

Got to think outside the box a little bit.

Does Toronto make that trade if they aren't forced to play Gally and Barbanov because Benning picking up Vesey and Boyd. Maybe, maybe not.

When Benning picked them up I'm sure the thought of trading for someone gained quite a bit of steam.

Got to think outside the box a little bit.

Does Toronto make that trade if they aren't forced to play Gally and Barbanov because Benning picking up Vesey and Boyd. Maybe, maybe not.

When Benning picked them up I'm sure the thought of trading for someone gained quite a bit of steam.
- manvanfan

I dunno man, this seems like a massive reach lol

I mean they're all in. It's justifiable because they're one of the most talented teams in the league .......but anything short of a cup and they'll regret that trade. Picking late 20's you probably won't see that player on the team for 3+ years.

A late first from a top team isn't much different from a 2nd from a bottom team.
- golfingsince

Those are the chances you take to win. Nothing is a guarantee. One team wins and the other 5 that do it lose.

Let's take a look at the Leafs objectively. I know it's hard because I hate them too.

Matthews is likely a better player than either of our franchises have ever had. Behind him they have Tavares, Marner, Nylander.

For centre depth they have Kerfoot, Joe, Spezza.

D isn't great but they have a couple of solid players.

Campbell can win the big game on his own.

I'd go for it, might not have a better chance. You don't know how you stack up against teams from other divisions so might as well make a push to get out of your own and not show up light to the final four.

They still have a couple of guys in the minors to look forward to and their core guys are mostly young. Yes, they overpaid but the timing is right to do so. I don't think it's horrible.

I dunno man, this seems like a massive reach lol
- Codes1087

My train of thought is a little more in-depth then yours.

Those are the chances you take to win. Nothing is a guarantee. One team wins and the other 5 that do it lose.
- manvanfan

Like I said their core is young. It's not like they have to replace these guys anytime soon.

People talked about a devaluation of draft picks all season. Personally, I would have liked to see them get some late round picks back if I was making the trade but that's splitting hairs.

Is it a failure if they lose in the final four? Pretty hard to say that as they haven't won a playoff series in nearly 2 decades. Is it a failure if they're out first round? Absolutely but then they likely have much bigger problems than trading a 1st and 2 4ths.

My train of thought is a little more in-depth then yours.
- manvanfan

I guess you could say that lol

Let's take a look at the Leafs objectively. I know it's hard because I hate them too.

Matthews is likely a better player than either of our franchises have ever had. Behind him they have Tavares, Marner, Nylander.

For centre depth they have Kerfoot, Joe, Spezza.

D isn't great but they have a couple of solid players.

Campbell can win the big game on his own.

I'd go for it, might not have a better chance. You don't know how you stack up against teams from other divisions so might as well make a push to get out of your own and not show up light to the final four.

They still have a couple of guys in the minors to look forward to and their core guys are mostly young. Yes, they overpaid but the timing is right to do so. I don't think it's horrible.
- golfingsince

That's a bold claim. He might end up being, but right now I don't think he'd beat Sundin, Gilmour, Bure, or the Sedins.

I went to CapFriendly to look up stats. The Sedins had 50/55 points each their last season. Sutter hasn't ever had above 40

Like I said their core is young. It's not like they have to replace these guys anytime soon.

People talked about a devaluation of draft picks all season. Personally, I would have liked to see them get some late round picks back if I was making the trade but that's splitting hairs.

Is it a failure if they lose in the final four? Pretty hard to say that as they haven't won a playoff series in nearly 2 decades. Is it a failure if they're out first round? Absolutely but then they likely have much bigger problems than trading a 1st and 2 4ths.
- golfingsince

Only if they win the cup.

Gaudette was removed for the covid list. Beagle was the player who was added.

Sharks receive a 4th round pick for a player who has played 5 games this season.

Toronto didn't want Jimmy Vesey back for a 4th?

Nevermind, that was for taking half of Foligno's $$

Sharks receive a 4th round pick for a player who has played 5 games this season.

Toronto didn't want Jimmy Vesey back for a 4th?

Nevermind, that was for taking half of Foligno's $$
- manvanfan

Is your desire for mid round draft picks making you lose your mind?

Is your desire for mid round draft picks making you lose your mind?
- CanuckDon

It is causing me to think that Jim Benning is not the genius that some have been talking about all this time.

It is causing me to think that Jim Benning is not the genius that some have been talking about all this time.
- manvanfan

He said he won’t trade anyone. Not sure why you are surprised? Yes, I think everyone knows he isn’t a genius

It is causing me to think that Jim Benning is not the genius that some have been talking about all this time.
- manvanfan

I wonder what the monetary value of of a (each round) draft pick is. Right now it seems a 4th round pick is worth 25% of a $4ish million dollar player's salary for 20 games.

.25 x 20/56 x .75 x $4,000,000 - is that what players are making 75% of their normal salary this year?

That's a bold claim. He might end up being, but right now I don't think he'd beat Sundin, Gilmour, Bure, or the Sedins.

I went to CapFriendly to look up stats. The Sedins had 50/55 points each their last season. Sutter hasn't ever had above 40
- NewYorkNuck

Well I said likely. The kids is 23 and already has 189 goals and 337 points. Sundin is the one to beat IMO.