Fleury has 187 career games, 17 playoff games.

Dermott has 213 career games, 19 playoff games.

Do you even feel the need to check yourself before you spout off at the lips or is that lost in how right you are about everything.
- joel878

Both played 14 NHL playoff games.
So before correcting another person, make sure you get your numbers right.

Then saying that experience is directly linked to number of NHL games -- it is debatable whether those 26 games truly would translate in 'more experience'. (there comes more to experience than just minutes on ice / games played)

Would much rather that slight overpayment be in picks than prospects. He did well considering how every team he was dealing with knows they are slammed against the cap...
- joel878

If the leafs make it to the cup and Foligno helped the cause, it wont matter.
Only paying 25% of cap was nice maneuvering

Both played 14 NHL playoff games.
So before correcting another person, make sure you get your numbers right.

Then saying that experience is directly linked to number of NHL games -- it is debatable whether those 26 games truly would translate in 'more experience'. (there comes more to experience than just minutes on ice / games played)
- MaximusAurelius

Try again and take your own advice. Dermott played 7+7+5 in the last 3 years. Fleury played 9+8 in the last two.

If it's even up for debate the point stands, I could change my comment to 'around the same experience as Dermott' if it pleases you and your arrogance.

Try again. Dermott played 7+7+5 in the last 3 years. Fleury played 9+8 in the last two.

If it's even up for debate the point stands, I could change my comment to 'around the same experience as Dermott' if it pleases you and your arrogance.
- joel878

Leafs didn't play a single playoff game last year..

Let me take the other side:

I have to imagine that Hall was more than happy to get the hell out of Buffalo, going to any playoff team to restart his season and get a better contract next year.

My guess is he was on the I-90 seven minutes after the trade, doing 80 mph towards Boston.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hall definitely didn’t want to come back and play the third round in Buffalo. Luckily, he won’t have to worry about the third round now.

Leafs didn't play a single playoff game last year..
- MaximusAurelius

Are you really trying to lean on semantics to still be right on this?

You can think that if you want, but damn near everywhere you check has him listed as 5 playoff games last year with 1 assist and 4 PMs.

Its moot, if he even has similar experience to Dermott the point has merit, so stop trying to chip away at it with your small man I'm always right and no one else is bullpoop.

I feel Foligno is the better fit for sure, but it was a slight overpayment
- Fakepartofme

Agreed. I would have been happier if it was a 2nd and not a first.

Disagree. You can't just wait to trade guys until you have a 'bonafide replacement' you may have to take a step back in one position to bolster an area of weakness. Up the middle the Leafs are fine even without Kerfoot he is not essential to their success in my opinion.

If trading him improves the D by a signifigant amount and perhaps gets a player with term, draft picks then there definitely is a reason to trade him. Spezza would be fine as the 3rd line Centre, we are talking Kerfoot here - he's a steady eddie player. Has a nice game once in a while but nothing spectacular.

Engvall is perhaps more likely to be moved but I'm fine with either of them going if the deal is right.
- Cush29

I have liked Kerfoot's game this year. He's fast, good work ethic, chips in some points. I think he is a good 3rd liner. Maybe his salary is a little too much, but I think you weaken your team getting rid of him this year so it better be something significant coming back.

Given that they have traded a number of draft picks, I hope they hold on to their promising prospects.

They have good depth now at forward, a few goaltenders, I could see adding a cheap UFA defenseman just for depth purposes... maybe Engvall, or some Marlie

Are you really trying to lean on semantics to still be right on this?

You can think that if you want, but damn near everywhere you check has him listed as 5 playoff games last year with 1 assist and 4 PMs.

Its moot, if he even has similar experience to Dermott the point has merit, so stop trying to chip away at it with your small man I'm always right and no one else is bullpoop.
- joel878

not sure why you're getting all riled up over this.
i was just pointing out that leafs could add fleury as a good option to the defense - he's played some important minutes vs good opponents past year when hamilton went down with injury as well.

I have liked Kerfoot's game this year. He's fast, good work ethic, chips in some points. I think he is a good 3rd liner. Maybe his salary is a little too much, but I think you weaken your team getting rid of him this year so it better be something significant coming back.

Given that they have traded a number of draft picks, I hope they hold on to their promising prospects.

They have good depth now at forward, a few goaltenders, I could see adding a cheap UFA defenseman just for depth purposes... maybe Engvall, or some Marlie
- Aetherial

Even if we don't consider the contracts of both, Engvall is a better player than Kerfoot (at least having more value). Only thing Kerfoot has over Engvall is that he's better on the PP (but no chance to display that on this team..)

Well it tooks years, but im glad to see everyone finally agreed the leafs needed more grit.

I hate to say it, but given the prices paid, I would have preferred Hall over Foligno.
- Atomic Wedgie

I understand the sentiment and I am not wild about the output I expect from Foligno.

I think at this point the Leafs failures in the playoffs have been lack of experience in the core, clutch goaltending, and team toughness. I think Foligno helps address one of those, and adds a little more leadership. The "experience" thing either happens for this group, or it doesn't.

It is time for them to step up. If they can't get out of the North, it will be a colossal failure.

If Dubas adds Oleksiak today, I'll get a t-shirt that says ' Kyle Dubas -- BEST NHL GM EVAHHH '
- MaximusAurelius

If they are trading a guy like Kerfoot (with term) then the list of 'who is available' is pretty much anyone a GM wants to trade I guess. I"m not saying trade Kerfoot for a rental necessarily but even then maybe it is that - a rental D (like say a Jamie Orleski from Dallas) + + for Kerfoot.

The fact Kerfoot has 2 years left on his deal at 3.5 makes him pretty appealing to some teams I would think.

The Leafs need to improve on D if they can, someone to bump Dermott to the 7 spot would be nice but we will see what Dubie can do today - might be too much of an ask. How many teams have gone out before the deadline and got 2 forwards, a goalie AND a D man?

Kyle "sits on his hands, no risk taking, WWE watching, Safe" Dubas has!
- Cush29

Going to go against the grain here and say that Dermott was far from the worst defenseman last year against Columbus.

Obviously you aren't getting rid of Rielly this year, but he scares me more than any other dman on the Leafs.

‘member when the Leafs had nine captains on the team?

Good times.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes I do. You're a long suffering fan Wedgie like me, honest question, in your memory have the Leafs ever had a player as good as Matthews since you''ve been watching? Nine captains or not, the ingredients are there, now time to do.

Going to go against the grain here and say that Dermott was far from the worst defenseman last year against Columbus.

Obviously you aren't getting rid of Rielly this year, but he scares me more than any other dman on the Leafs.
- Aetherial

Im with you on all of this but I think having Dermott as the #7 going into the playoffs would be a massive shift in the depth department.

The left side aside from Muzzin has been a pretty big liability the last 10-15 games or so.

Going to go against the grain here and say that Dermott was far from the worst defenseman last year against Columbus.

Obviously you aren't getting rid of Rielly this year, but he scares me more than any other dman on the Leafs.
- Aetherial

He's been brutal at times this year, wondering if 2 years ago was a mirage.

and thats fine
i just think its more about the cost.

its weird to think the Dubas Leafs are paying a premium for intangibles
- senstroll

yeah, agreed.
On the other hand, I think he was what they were after and I am not sure there were a lot of great options.

He captained a team to sweep over Tampa, and a win over the Leafs.

I cant really think of a cheap option that fills the need the Leafs think they have.

Based on how 'right' you have been so far with respect to what Dubas is or isn't going to do I'm going to go ahead and order my Oleksiak Toronto Maple Leafs jersey now.
- Cush29

I understand the sentiment and I am not wild about the output I expect from Foligno.

I think at this point the Leafs failures in the playoffs have been lack of experience in the core, clutch goaltending, and team toughness. I think Foligno helps address one of those, and adds a little more leadership. The "experience" thing either happens for this group, or it doesn't.

It is time for them to step up. If they can't get out of the North, it will be a colossal failure.
- Aetherial

A few more points in Foligno's favour:

- While defensively "elite" might be a stretch, he's got very good defensive numbers
- He's primarily a LW but he can play C
- You already touched on it, but the Leafs just acquired themselves another Messier winner - this team has leadership in spades!
- His Dad played here and so he has some roots with the team (weak sauce, maybe, but I'm using it!)

If Dubas lands a decent depth D, I think he gets an A+ for team TDL adds.

Leafs didn't play a single playoff game last year..
- MaximusAurelius

lol

the non playoff playoff game..where your stats count as a playoff game..thats not a playoff game

Source?
- The Law

Eklund!

Well it tooks years, but im glad to see everyone finally agreed the leafs needed more grit.
- Fakepartofme

Lets see if it helps.

although this season is a strange one...to come to sweeping conclusions.
but if they make it to the conf finals...ill call it successful

seen mentioned the Leafs might wait to see if Vatanen clears then trade for him..like they did with Alex G.

but it makes sense they will add 1 more D...if injury happens you want someone ready to step in

Well it tooks years, but im glad to see everyone finally agreed the leafs needed more grit.
- Fakepartofme

I have to admit that the Shanaplan always said that they felt that stuff was easier to add than skill and they would address that need when the timing was right.

I haven't enjoyed the playoff failures, but it does seem like they have said what they would do all along.

Sounds like a bidding war drove up the price a little higher than they would have liked, but let's face it, the next 5 years for this team is going to be determined by the core and the current top of their prospect group and lots can happen between now and when they need to start rebuilding again.