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Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Apr 11 @ 2:09 PM ET
Maybe Strome is middle 6 on a cup team? The rest are not. Perhaps "yet."
- rpeters01


You’re kidding right? Middle 6 is second or third line. To say that only Strome could play on the 2nd or 3rd line on a cup team is a little exaggerated.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Apr 11 @ 2:12 PM ET
Really? I'll pretend you said Heiskanen.
- BetweenTheDots

He would work too?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 11 @ 2:12 PM ET
Thanks Theo for the recap. I’m also seeing game to game improvement from Dach, he’s quickly getting into game shape. Am I the only one who thinks that as they are currently playing, that Boqvist is now the Hawks best defenseman, has he surpassed Keith?
- Angotti

You bet, Angotti.

I'm with you on Boqvist. He has arguably been the best all-around defenseman ever since he shook off the lack of confidence before and shortly after COVID protocol.

Dynamic skater, wicked shot, precision passing, defensively conscience, competitive.

Offensively, he likely ends the year around 0.50 PPG or slightly less. Next year is when I feel he will take off with his goal and assist totals getting in the 0.67-0.75 PPG range.

I still think he will end up being the better all-around defenseman than Hughes and won't be too far off from Makar.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Apr 11 @ 2:17 PM ET
Not forgotten. The D then and now could use Dmen with a variety of skill sets. Boqvist could be better offensively than any of the Cup dmen. I could see Boqvist being like a right handed Doug Wilson.
- Ztra

If you remember, Quenneville didn’t trust Leddy because despite Leddy’s offensive upside his defense was not very good. Doug Wilson played solid defensively. Keith was a very good two way player and right now Boqvist is a young kid with offensive potential who is working on the defensive side of the game.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 11 @ 2:18 PM ET
Defenseman John Merrill 925K, pending UFA goes from Det to Montreal for a 5th and minor leaguer Hayden Verbeek.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 2:48 PM ET
Defenseman John Merrill 925K, pending UFA goes from Det to Montreal for a 5th and minor leaguer Hayden Verbeek.
- boilermaker100

A couple things about this sort of trade

One point is that Merrill appears a depth move. No more than a third pair or depth for Montreal. Interesting that Mete reportedly placed on waivers but waivers can be pulled back? Eklund reported that if no one claims Vaatanen.on waivers, then he is traded, his cap hit would be less. That is on Sunday Eklund blog. Anyway, Montreal has a couple dmen whom played in World Juniors Tournament, including their rookie this season.

On Merrill too he could re-sign in Detroit where he could have a job. Nemeth same thing.

And my second point is that Janmark if dealt could re-sign in Chicago especially logical if Bowman has a couple forwards gone one way or another + Toews not back soon. Janmark would have a job in Chicago. After all, Kurashev is very iffy sort of faded as Wiz predicted and Reichel should not be rushed. Seems Borgstrom was rushed

Now we might see Janmark traded from Chicago at next season trade deadline if those two kids are looking good in the AHL. Of course we wait to see how e erything plays out. Then too whom do we select in round one Enyry Draft. Probably someone not ready. I could imagine Bowman goes after a Raaty as a value pick....his star has diminished from once considered one of several possibly choosen first overall.

I suggest there may be a wing to go first overall, not everyone's favorite big size offensive dman. And speaking of big size dman, Detroit's #1German.kid is held back due to his not yet playing well defensively
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 3:00 PM ET
Just noticed N Patrick, former very early #1 by Philly, upon return from concussion has opted 4 3 for 7 pts in 39 gp. I will grant that Philly has a deep set if forwards

The Flyers have numbers on the blueline too. But they are unhappy with Ghist and Gus. Some newbie young guys pretty much undistinguished have filled on on their back end. The Flyers SOS is primarily due to their defense, correct. You have it that there is more to their plight this season?

I do not envision Patrick coming here for a dman. But I imagine Patrick is available for defensive help
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 11 @ 3:00 PM ET
A couple things about this sort of trade

One point is that Merrill appears a depth move. No more than a third pair or depth for Montreal. Interesting that Mete reportedly placed on waivers but waivers can be pulled back? Eklund reported that if no one claims Vaatanen.on waivers, then he is traded, his cap hit would be less. That is on Sunday Eklund blog. Anyway, Montreal has a couple dmen whom played in World Juniors Tournament, including their rookie this season.

On Merrill too he could re-sign in Detroit where he could have a job. Nemeth same thing.

And my second point is that Janmark if dealt could re-sign in Chicago especially logical if Bowman has a couple forwards gone one way or another + Toews not back soon. Janmark would have a job in Chicago. After all, Kurashev is very iffy sort of faded as Wiz predicted and Reichel should not be rushed. Seems Borgstrom was rushed

Now we might see Janmark traded from Chicago at next season trade deadline if those two kids are looking good in the AHL. Of course we wait to see how e erything plays out. Then too whom do we select in round one Enyry Draft. Probably someone not ready. I could imagine Bowman goes after a Raaty as a value pick....his star has diminished from once considered one of several possibly choosen first overall.

I suggest there may be a wing to go first overall, not everyone's favorite big size offensive dman. And speaking of big size dman, Detroit's #1German.kid is held back due to his not yet playing well defensively

- jhawk59


Idk, I think Kurashev still has upside. Has he hit a wall a bit sure? Tbf, I don't recall Wiz liking his ability to hang with the Big Club at all, but could be wrong about that.

Also read something in the Athletic that Janmark is most likely being dealt and Stan's hoping for a 2nd.

A league source believed the asking price for Janmark was a second-round pick. The Blackhawks hope to start a bidding war for him in the next few days, but the assumption is the Blackhawks will take whatever they can get in the end. Janmark isn’t likely part of the Blackhawks’ future and it makes sense to gain whatever assets they can for him.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
A couple things about this sort of trade

One point is that Merrill appears a depth move. No more than a third pair or depth for Montreal.

- jhawk59


Agree the Merrill trade was a depth move, just what a Soderberg/Janmark trade would be. The returns would be comparable, a 4th or 5th and maybe a B/C prospect.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 3:03 PM ET
Idk, I think Kurashev still has upside. Has he hit a wall a bit sure? Tbf, I don't recall Wiz liking his ability to hang with the Big Club at all, but could be wrong about that.

Also read something in the Athletic that Janmark is most likely being dealt and Stan's hoping for a 2nd.

A league source believed the asking price for Janmark was a second-round pick. The Blackhawks hope to start a bidding war for him in the next few days, but the assumption is the Blackhawks will take whatever they can get in the end. Janmark isn’t likely part of the Blackhawks’ future and it makes sense to gain whatever assets they can for him.

- HawkintheD


I like Kurashev ability but his resolve sometimes I like or not too pleased - goes both ways. He had a bad injury from a vicous check in AHL last season btw if that factors into his resolve long term basis
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Apr 11 @ 3:05 PM ET
I was taught that defense was the verb and defence the noun. But as usual, and to the chagrin (another cool word) of the Brits and English purists you Yanks have simplified the language. Now do something about knife and pneumonia will ya!
- paulr


When youse guys do something about the "F" sound in Lieutenant...

jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 3:07 PM ET
Agree the Merrill trade was a depth move, just what a Soderberg/Janmark trade would be. The returns would be comparable, a 4th or 5th and maybe a B/C prospect.
- boilermaker100

BOWMAN does not have room to add a B or C level prospect. It dilutes or weakens the higher draft choice we would rather gain as renumeration
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 11 @ 3:08 PM ET
If you remember, Quenneville didn’t trust Leddy because despite Leddy’s offensive upside his defense was not very good. Doug Wilson played solid defensively. Keith was a very good two way player and right now Boqvist is a young kid with offensive potential who is working on the defensive side of the game.
- paulr


Eh, Leddy averaged pretty solid minutes per night and not as terrible as defending as most would say. He did a lot to cover for Rozy and play basically two positions at once.

Not a lot of room behind Keith, Seabs, Hammer and Oduya who were all in their prime.

Certainly not a world beater or a guy you'd lean on for 30 mins but fine for a 20 minute \ night above average defender with decent feet.

Keith was a maniac when he came into the league and I don't know that "good" would be a word used to describe him. A lot of raw potential but it took some time for him to figure out the NHL.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 11 @ 3:18 PM ET
Idk, I think Kurashev still has upside. Has he hit a wall a bit sure? Tbf, I don't recall Wiz liking his ability to hang with the Big Club at all, but could be wrong about that.
- HawkintheD

I'd have to agree on Kurashev. He has great upside still. He's a rookie thrust into the big leagues due to extenuating circumstances, i.e. Toews, Dach, and Nylander all on LTIR.

Had those players been healthy, Kurashev would have been developing in Rockford with a likelihood of being the first recall.

Like every other rookie that has played this season, Kurashev is hitting a wall. That's to be expected. When he's been playing well, he has shown ability to play middle 6. At least 3rd line with tantalizing skill to play top lines if needed.

He'll be stronger next season as will the other rookies. Not worried at all.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Apr 11 @ 3:23 PM ET
According to Powers and Lazerus, Zadorov has been offered $3.5M (not sure about years) but he wants $4.0M. He's currently making $3.2M which is the minimum Chicago can offer.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 11 @ 3:24 PM ET
BOWMAN does not have room to add a B or C level prospect. It dilutes or weakens the higher draft choice we would rather gain as renumeration
- jhawk59


Sometimes a team wants to trade back a nobody to even out the contracts they have on hand
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 11 @ 3:25 PM ET
Eh, Leddy averaged pretty solid minutes per night and not as terrible as defending as most would say. He did a lot to cover for Rozy and play basically two positions at once.

Not a lot of room behind Keith, Seabs, Hammer and Oduya who were all in their prime.

Certainly not a world beater or a guy you'd lean on for 30 mins but fine for a 20 minute \ night above average defender with decent feet.

Keith was a maniac when he came into the league and I don't know that "good" would be a word used to describe him. A lot of raw potential but it took some time for him to figure out the NHL.

- fattybeef


Pretty sure most wouldn't say that. I know I wouldn't. Thought Rozy was a really good pickup in '13 for nothing.
NamedSources
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Unnamed
Joined: 06.05.2019

Apr 11 @ 3:26 PM ET
According to Powers and Lazerus, Zadorov has been offered $3.5M (not sure about years) but he wants $4.0M. He's currently making $3.2M which is the minimum Chicago can offer.
- Theo Fox


Wanting 4 million a year shows not only is he bad at hockey but he is also delusional.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 3:29 PM ET
Sometimes a team wants to trade back a nobody to even out the contracts they have on hand
- boilermaker100

I am confidant that Bowman can dump a couple AHL contracts this summer. I agree with Theo too that McLaughlin would be a worthwhile sign (to two way contract).
NamedSources
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Unnamed
Joined: 06.05.2019

Apr 11 @ 3:35 PM ET
Pretty sure most wouldn't say that. I know I wouldn't. Thought Rozy was a really good pickup in '13 for nothing.
- HawkintheD

I would never say that either. I never thought of Leddy as reliable. I do remember his skating into nowhere and turning over the puck all the time.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 11 @ 3:41 PM ET
Wanting 4 million a year shows not only is he bad at hockey but he is also delusional.
- NamedSources

I asked yesterday, is it worth retaining Zadorov as his presence reduces how often the opposition runs our young dmen

Some feel the opponent still will run our players. True, but not all the time as Zadorov leaves a few sore bodies with his hits

Putting this in context....is it worth offering $3.5 or $3.75 with a small bonus clause for performance (we can joke, it is for hits and or fights but reality it is gp). What you say.....am I over reacting to letting young dmen learn their craft and how to better watch their own safety through experience 1-2 years with Zadorov around. Maybe after one but more likely two seasons either Phillips or Vlasic could replace Zadorov as a physical presence?

Withholding appraisal on Stillman until we see him for a good stretch of games
NamedSources
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The Unnamed
Joined: 06.05.2019

Apr 11 @ 3:50 PM ET
I asked yesterday, is it worth retaining Zadorov as his presence reduces how often the opposition runs our young dmen

Some feel the opponent still will run our players. True, but not all the time as Zadorov leaves a few sore bodies with his hits

Putting this in context....is it worth offering $3.5 or $3.75 with a small bonus clause for performance (we can joke, it is for hits and or fights but reality it is gp). What you say.....am I over reacting to letting young dmen learn their craft and how to better watch their own safety through experience 1-2 years with Zadorov around. Maybe after one but more likely two seasons either Phillips or Vlasic could replace Zadorov as a physical presence?

Withholding appraisal on Stillman until we see him for a good stretch of games

- jhawk59


You can find a veteran who wants the same amount of money who is better at hockey who does the same thing. He is a liability. At least once per game (it seems that way) his play is responsible for the puck hitting the back of the net.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Apr 11 @ 4:05 PM ET
According to Powers and Lazerus, Zadorov has been offered $3.5M (not sure about years) but he wants $4.0M. He's currently making $3.2M which is the minimum Chicago can offer.
- Theo Fox


I wonder why/how this contract negotiation was leaked when the Strome talks were kept hush hush. Does one side or the other have a reason to let it out?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Apr 11 @ 4:05 PM ET
You’re kidding right? Middle 6 is second or third line. To say that only Strome could play on the 2nd or 3rd line on a cup team is a little exaggerated.

- Ztra

Some would not even made '10, '13, '15 cup teams.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Apr 11 @ 4:07 PM ET
I hope he does not obsess in being Keith II. He can learn a lot from Keith on defense and transition. But Boqvist has a ton more offensive skills than Keith ever had. I hope he watches film of Josi or Kilngberg. They are like a 4th forward.
- Ztra

622 points in 1180 games. I (frank)ing hope Boqvist can come close to those numbers.
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