He. Had. Hip. Surgery.
Actually the surgery was in New York maybe the NYT can investigate LOL
- Justbecause

oh. everybody. knows. it.

but, clear 9.5 million in cap space while he practices, that's all I ask

oh. everybody. knows. it.

but, clear 9.5 million in cap space while he practices, that's all I ask
- jimbro83

That's not how the CBA works. Not saying you are but I don't understand why fans are upset that the Lightning can use this loop hole, or that teams in the past have used it like Chicago and even the Leafs this year trading for a player on LTIR who is not scheduled to come back until playoffs so they can just stash him away in the meantime.

It falls on the league to make the change to correct this. But the league is looking at a flat cap for years and financial pit falls so I doubt they do anything and we will see more and more of this and other weird things as the league tries to survive.

That's not how the CBA works. Not saying you are but I don't understand why fans are upset that the Lightning can use this loop hole, or that teams in the past have used it like Chicago and even the Leafs this year trading for a player on LTIR who is not scheduled to come back until playoffs so they can just stash him away in the meantime.

It falls on the league to make the change to correct this. But the league is looking at a flat cap for years and financial pit falls so I doubt they do anything and we will see more and more of this and other weird things as the league tries to survive.
- stammerman

if he's practicing, he should be added back to the cap

I dont care if you guys dont think he's ready to play games, he's back in uniform, with his team

9.5 million cap hit, do the right thing

if he's practicing, he should be added back to the cap

I dont care if you guys dont think he's ready to play games, he's back in uniform, with his team

9.5 million cap hit, do the right thing
- jimbro83

They don't have to so why should they. Again it's the NHL rules not the Lightnings and they are playing within the NHL rules as written. If what your asking was the rule then I agree the Lightning would have to be in compliance to that rule but right now that is not required. I guess we will just disagree.

They don't have to so why should they. Again it's the NHL rules not the Lightnings and they are playing within the NHL rules as written. If what your asking was the rule then I agree the Lightning would have to be in compliance to that rule but right now that is not required. I guess we will just disagree.
- stammerman

To address you both - Kudos to Bolts for taking advantage of the rule to the max.

As for Blueshirt fan.... League should absolutely have a very sharp eye to make sure not one toe...so to speak, crosses the line and if so hammer the Bolts.... but with this league and leadership who knows if they are even paying attention.

if he's practicing, he should be added back to the cap

I dont care if you guys dont think he's ready to play games, he's back in uniform, with his team

9.5 million cap hit, do the right thing
- jimbro83

Skating and cleared to play are not one in the same. You’re an idiot.

if he's practicing, he should be added back to the cap

I dont care if you guys dont think he's ready to play games, he's back in uniform, with his team

9.5 million cap hit, do the right thing
- jimbro83

Basically, this situation has three factors to consider :

1) While obviously it's cap circumvention, it is allowed within the CBA and the Lightning are not breaking any rules as written. Spirit of the rules broken? Probably. The CBA should be changed.

2) Any GM would and could exploit this loophole. The rich do it all the time with taxes and people think it's great.

3) Other teams have done it and continue to do it. You can't single out one team for something that is a systemic issue allowed under flawed rules.

It is what it is until the league changes it.

Skating and cleared to play are not one in the same. You’re an idiot.
- Feds91Stammer

and then on May 10th, oooh wow, all of a sudden Kucherov has been cleared to play! what a coincidence

and then on May 10th, oooh wow, all of a sudden Kucherov has been cleared to play! what a coincidence


- jimbro83

and then on May 10th, oooh wow, all of a sudden Kucherov has been cleared to play! what a coincidence


- jimbro83

oh. everybody. knows. it.

but, clear 9.5 million in cap space while he practices, that's all I ask
- jimbro83

So he’s supposed to magically delicious return without practice time. Are u even listening to yourself. Get the NY Post to investigate the surgeon. Hip surgery. Players that have had same surgery say it takes a year to feel like old self.

That's not how the CBA works. Not saying you are but I don't understand why fans are upset that the Lightning can use this loop hole, or that teams in the past have used it like Chicago and even the Leafs this year trading for a player on LTIR who is not scheduled to come back until playoffs so they can just stash him away in the meantime.

It falls on the league to make the change to correct this. But the league is looking at a flat cap for years and financial pit falls so I doubt they do anything and we will see more and more of this and other weird things as the league tries to survive.
- stammerman

Bolts following the rules. What exactly is the problem here?

if he's practicing, he should be added back to the cap

I dont care if you guys dont think he's ready to play games, he's back in uniform, with his team

9.5 million cap hit, do the right thing
- jimbro83

He’s not practicing. He’s skating after hip surgery. So first he had to learn to walk LOL

He’s not practicing. He’s skating after hip surgery. So first he had to learn to walk LOL
- Justbecause

Retention of salary for the third round pick. The 1st round pick for a RD that the Lightning specifically targeted. And the fourth was for the other team to retain another 25% of salary or the trade could not happen. JBB wanted Savard thinking he is what they needed so he got him.
- stammerman

No. Savard was a massive over-payment. Sheltered by Jones and Werenski, he was able to use his offensiveness talents to accumulate a team leading minus 19(beating Laine by 4), and the teams lead in pims. No clue why this guy could be considered worth more than anyone hitting waiver wires. Maybe you win another cup, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this guys contributions. Mete from waivers is a more impactful player than Savard. Fans should not be happy with this. Cernak and Foote both are far better RD's than Savard.

No. Savard was a massive over-payment. Sheltered by Jones and Werenski, he was able to use his offensiveness talents to accumulate a team leading minus 19(beating Laine by 4), and the teams lead in pims. No clue why this guy could be considered worth more than anyone hitting waiver wires. Maybe you win another cup, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this guys contributions. Mete from waivers is a more impactful player than Savard. Fans should not be happy with this. Cernak and Foote both are far better RD's than Savard.
- bikeguy99

Dude, do you even hockey?

+/- is as useless a statistic as it gets. Savard is a shot-blocker and crease-clearer. He's not here to score goals. And while I like Foote, he's still a rookie. To claim he is better than Savard is laughable.

Look at this butthurt - https://torontosun.com/sp...reason-to-hate-on-florida

Meh he won with Yzermans team and his trade additions didn’t win that cup.
- Feds91Stammer

I don't think that is fair to Julien at all seeing as he was Yzerman's right hand man all those years. He didn't just walk in and Yzerman walked out.

Bolts dont win that cup without our 3rd line of Colman, Goodrow with Gourde

I don't think that is fair to Julien at all seeing as he was Yzerman's right hand man all those years. He didn't just walk in and Yzerman walked out.

Bolts dont win that cup without our 3rd line of Colman, Goodrow with Gourde
- LightningMcKing

Totally disagree with this but okay.

Totally disagree with this but okay.
- Feds91Stammer

Which part not giving JBB any credit for winning the cup after Yzerman headed home to Detroit or without the trades last year for Coleman and Goodrow the Lightning don't win the cup?

I am genuinely interested in your take if its the first one and you feel JBB has not contributed in anyway towards winning the cup and all the credit goes to Y?

Which part not giving JBB any credit for winning the cup after Yzerman headed home to Detroit or without the trades last year for Coleman and Goodrow the Lightning don't win the cup?

I am genuinely interested in your take if its the first one and you feel JBB has not contributed in anyway towards winning the cup and all the credit goes to Y?
- stammerman

The Coleman and Goodrow part.

The Coleman and Goodrow part.
- Feds91Stammer

Good boy!

The Coleman and Goodrow part.
- Feds91Stammer

Neither of you are really wrong here.

It's easy to pick out one or two or three pieces of the puzzle and still win the Cup. Some parts of dealbreakers - Hedman, Vasi, Kucherov, Point. Take any one of them out and the Cup becomes a lot harder. Take two of them out and it's a toss-up.

Shattenkirk? His contributions were nothing to sneeze at.

The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line? That was "lightning in a bottle". Remove one piece and maybe that line doesn't gel and roll like it did. Teams had a hard time answering that line with their own bottom-six.

Briesbois' breaking the bank of Savard will either be looked at as stupid, or it will be given a pass if the Bolts repeat.

Either way, I hope the Bolts don't resign Savard to big term and money after this year. Hopefully he's a key rental in making another Cup happen and then he can go sign 5x5m somewhere else.

Neither of you are really wrong here.

It's easy to pick out one or two or three pieces of the puzzle and still win the Cup. Some parts of dealbreakers - Hedman, Vasi, Kucherov, Point. Take any one of them out and the Cup becomes a lot harder. Take two of them out and it's a toss-up.

Shattenkirk? His contributions were nothing to sneeze at.

The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line? That was "lightning in a bottle". Remove one piece and maybe that line doesn't gel and roll like it did. Teams had a hard time answering that line with their own bottom-six.

Briesbois' breaking the bank of Savard will either be looked at as stupid, or it will be given a pass if the Bolts repeat.

Either way, I hope the Bolts don't resign Savard to big term and money after this year. Hopefully he's a key rental in making another Cup happen and then he can go sign 5x5m somewhere else.
- GalacticStone

I don't see how the Bolts can resign anyone to real big money. I am sure they might have to play the LTIR game again next year as well. Team will be younger next year for sure but the core will still be there to guide the ship. Going to be interesting to see how the next few years play out with flat cap for all teams in the league.

Neither of you are really wrong here.

It's easy to pick out one or two or three pieces of the puzzle and still win the Cup. Some parts of dealbreakers - Hedman, Vasi, Kucherov, Point. Take any one of them out and the Cup becomes a lot harder. Take two of them out and it's a toss-up.

Shattenkirk? His contributions were nothing to sneeze at.

The Coleman-Gourde-Goodrow line? That was "lightning in a bottle". Remove one piece and maybe that line doesn't gel and roll like it did. Teams had a hard time answering that line with their own bottom-six.

Briesbois' breaking the bank of Savard will either be looked at as stupid, or it will be given a pass if the Bolts repeat.

Either way, I hope the Bolts don't resign Savard to big term and money after this year. Hopefully he's a key rental in making another Cup happen and then he can go sign 5x5m somewhere else.
- GalacticStone

So a huge improvement from 2018-20 in playoffs was Hedman. He was just so soft vs Washington. He took players into the corners vs Washington and Oshie, Ovie et al had no worries that they were going to be hit, Heddy was just so gentle. It’s who he is.

But add Maroon and Goodrow and our 6”5 250# defense man, gentle giant grew a pair. I’m so glad he played so well on the road to the cup.

But imagine if he were tough with that size on his own...in 2018...yes we won the cup...but this team...