No.
- MJL

I’m not saying that’s a right or wrong answer, but that it’s a consistent one with your viewpoints on him thus far. I don’t know where I fall on him exactly, but I do know if I felt about him as strongly as you do I would not either.

If someone (not saying the pens, jusy hypothetical) offered you a first for him in the high 20s, right now, no other conditions or strings. Do you take it?
- stayinthefnnet

Considering that we need a young 20min RHD right yesterday, not 5 years from now, no.

Trade you a lightly used Nolan Patrick for that 20th tho.

Considering that we need a young 20min RHD right yesterday, not 5 years from now, no.

Trade you a lightly used Nolan Patrick for that 20th tho.
- Tomahawk

I don’t think the pens will have a first until that 5 year period of yours elapses anyway ha.

I’m not looking at trades between the two of them. Just testing the waters on what people actual attribute to these players value wise.

Nolan Patrick. Let’s assume he signs a reasonable short RFA deal to which it’s not prohibitive salary wise to where that sways one way or the other. Low second. Who says no?

So your response to being finished with the conversation is to ask a question. Hockey IQ is a combination of anticipation, understanding the flow of the game and reaction to what's going on. That's how I view it.
- MJL

It’s a Segway. Interesting.

I don’t think the pens will have a first until that 5 year period of yours elapses anyway ha.

I’m not looking at trades between the two of them. Just testing the waters on what people actual attribute to these players value wise.

Nolan Patrick. Let’s assume he signs a reasonable short RFA deal to which it’s not prohibitive salary wise to where that sways one way or the other. Low second. Who says no?
- stayinthefnnet

I have two thoughts. It just seems like Patrick is not going to work out here. Needs a change of scenery. He's traded and he then blossoms with another team. So looking at it from a risk scenario. What's the bigger risk? Keeping him or trading him for what you can get? Flyers need some cap space if they're going to make a significant move.

It’s a Segway. Interesting.
- Peter Richards

Okay, so lets segway into what you want to talk about. I'm all ears.

I don’t think the pens will have a first until that 5 year period of yours elapses anyway ha.

I’m not looking at trades between the two of them. Just testing the waters on what people actual attribute to these players value wise.

Nolan Patrick. Let’s assume he signs a reasonable short RFA deal to which it’s not prohibitive salary wise to where that sways one way or the other. Low second. Who says no?
- stayinthefnnet

Rather move him for a similarly-aged reclamation project like Virtanen than for a draft pick, considering how deep our system is and the weakness of the 2021 draft class.

Not really a huge impetus to move him tho, since like you said, his next deal isn't gonna be much. Flyers can just keep playing him until his potential drops to nil, like Sam Bennett.

Speaking of centers... you believe your shiny new GM really wants Scott Laughton? If so, you on board with that?

Rather move him for a similarly-aged reclamation project like Virtanen than for a draft pick, considering how deep our system is and the weakness of the 2021 draft class.

Not really a huge impetus to move him tho, since like you said, his next deal isn't gonna be much. Flyers can just keep playing him until his potential drops to nil, like Sam Bennett.

Speaking of centers... you believe your shiny new GM really wants Scott Laughton? If so, you on board with that?
- Tomahawk

I don’t think you’re wrong in a desire for a player, but in all honesty those hypos require more thought whereas draft currency is sort of universal among all planes, and I was just looking to kill some time until I had an adequate buzz to watch the games haha

I’ve always liked Laughton as a player and think he would be a good fit, but I don’t know if the details could be ironed out to where it would make sense from both sides. I wouldn’t move a first for him. If I were you guys I wouldn’t move him to the pens just to move him, especially with the bell not officially having tolled yet despite how it looks now.

I don’t think you’re wrong in a desire for a player, but in all honesty those hypos require more thought whereas draft currency is sort of universal among all planes, and I was just looking to kill some time until I had an adequate buzz to watch the games haha

I’ve always liked Laughton as a player and think he would be a good fit, but I don’t know if the details could be ironed out to where it would make sense from both sides. I wouldn’t move a first for him. If I were you guys I wouldn’t move him to the pens just to move him, especially with the bell not officially having tolled yet despite how it looks now.
- stayinthefnnet

Laughton is one of those players whose value to the team is more than his value in the trade market. In my opinion, losing Laughton would be a significant loss for the Flyers.

Only 4 more hours to go and the arguments will be going on for 24 hours.

Laughton is one of those players whose value to the team is more than his value in the trade market. In my opinion, losing Laughton would be a significant loss for the Flyers.
- MJL

Very significant. Instead of next to last in the division maybe they finish last.

Laughton is one of those players whose value to the team is more than his value in the trade market. In my opinion, losing Laughton would be a significant loss for the Flyers.
- MJL

I agree with that, but only under the assumption you will be retaining him in FA. If not then the whole lose for nothing etc argument creeps in. But i do agree I would look at him as part of the solution moving forward. Hes young enough and checks a number of boxes but shouldn’t break the bank

Rather move him for a similarly-aged reclamation project like Virtanen than for a draft pick, considering how deep our system is and the weakness of the 2021 draft class.

Not really a huge impetus to move him tho, since like you said, his next deal isn't gonna be much. Flyers can just keep playing him until his potential drops to nil, like Sam Bennett.

Speaking of centers... you believe your shiny new GM really wants Scott Laughton? If so, you on board with that?
- Tomahawk

You’re willing to give up on Patrick already?

I know Myers isn't a bruiser. But I wish he would use his size a little more consistently. We have seen how Morin changes rushes just by the threat of physical play. Opposing forwards have their heads up and make mistakes.

Myers is just as big. In my opinion he needs to add that danger to his game. I'm not looking for the guy to kill people or fight, I just want to see him be a threat on the ice more often.
- MBFlyerfan

He uses his size but more so with the long reach and strides opposed to physicality. But you're right in would be nice to see him play with more edge.

Okay, so lets segway into what you want to talk about. I'm all ears.
- MJL

What would you include with Myers or sanhiem in a deal for jones. Let’s say he’s available. Rather keep sanhiem of the two myself.

You’re willing to give up on Patrick already?
- Peter Richards

I've long since given up on his ability to be a a top player. I wouldn't say I've given up on him being some lesser contributor, tho.

Taking him off the 'untouchables' list is probably more where I'm at.

If someone (not saying the pens, jusy hypothetical) offered you a first for him in the high 20s, right now, no other conditions or strings. Do you take it?
- stayinthefnnet

Not sure how deep the draft is but I'd still probably pass.

What would you include with Myers or sanhiem in a deal for jones. Let’s say he’s available. Rather keep sanhiem of the two myself.
- Peter Richards

Probably Konecny and a pick.

Not sure how deep the draft is but I'd still probably pass.
- Pelle31Forever

Yeah Id be lying if I knew anything beyond the first handful of names.

Who do you hold in higher regard. Sanheim or Myers?

Probably Konecny and a pick.
- MJL

If they move Laine, I could see them being interested in Konecny. If not, they'll probably want a turnkey top-6 center to play w/ Laine.

What would you include with Myers or sanhiem in a deal for jones. Let’s say he’s available. Rather keep sanhiem of the two myself.
- Peter Richards

Myers has his issues, but if I had to choose, I'd keep him over Sanheim. When Myers is on, I think that he is better and slightly more physical. Sanheim is decent enough, be he is what he is now. Not that physical for a tall man.

If they move Laine, I could see them being interested in Konecny. If not, they'll probably want a turnkey top-6 center to play w/ Laine.
- Tomahawk

I think you're right. We don't have that to offer. It's interesting. At the time, they traded a player who was a top center for Jones. Now they're looking for one.

I've long since given up on his ability to be a a top player. I wouldn't say I've given up on him being some lesser contributor, tho.

Taking him off the 'untouchables' list is probably more where I'm at.
- Tomahawk

Maybe not untouchable. But I would give him another year to see. I don’t think this is what he is.

Laughton is like the offensive version of Niskanen. He fills a lot of different needs for the Flyers. If they moved him that's a lot of holes to fill.

With that said I might pull the trigger for a first. I don't think I could for a 2nd and B+ prospect. Maybe if you swap the prospect for something more tangible like a decent player. I don't know if I have a good feel for his value so I'm probably just talking out my behind.

Yeah Id be lying if I knew anything beyond the first handful of names.

Who do you hold in higher regard. Sanheim or Myers?
- stayinthefnnet

Myers.