Did the Flyers have a poor start again tonight again, or were the Flyers just unlucky? According to AV it was the latter, but I missed the start of the game and really don't want to watch it, so wondering what you all say?

You can disagree, but its not poorly thought out. I have been consistent on this point all season, so its not a knee jerk reaction, its what I think. BTW, What is the deal with AV and Carter Hart. I thought Hart played a good game tonight and AV pretty much refused to give the kid any credit, not sure I agree with his approach with Hart.
- jd250

It is absolutely poorly thought out. How can you be consistent on the point that the Isles have more skill so that is why they won the shootout all season? That makes no sense. Another poorly thought out comment.

The Flyers have 3 players who have put up 30 or more points this season. The Isles have 1. The Flyers have 7 players who have scored 25 or more points this season. The Isles have 3. The Flyers PP, despite it's struggles, ranks higher than the Isles PP. 18.9% to 18.4%. So explain to me how the Isles are the more skilled team?

Did the Flyers have a poor start again tonight again, or were the Flyers just unlucky? According to AV it was the latter, but I missed the start of the game and really don't want to watch it, so wondering what you all say?
- jd250

poor start they were sleeping until morin got them going

That’s not how it works.
- landros 2

Let me put it another way. His ppg is better than Sean Couturier in his first 5 season, and much better than his first 2

Here is a question for you. Farabee has clearly been struggling offensively. They showed him frustrated on the bench a couple of times, with Voracek talking to him. Voracek has been hot offensively. So why choose Farabee in the shoot out over Voracek with the game on the line after the Isles scored?
- MJL

Not to mention putting NP out there as the 2nd shooter.... just spotting the Islanders one.

Let me put it another way. His ppg is better than Sean Couturier in his first 5 season, and much better than his first 2
- PT21

Couturier's P/G average in his first 5 seasons is .44

Patricks' P/G average in his career to this point is .37

Let me put it another way. His ppg is better than Sean Couturier in his first 5 season, and much better than his first 2
- PT21

Points are only part of what makes a good hockey player...you know that. ....I watched a young Couturier outshine and outplay Malkin in the playoffs...can you imagine Patrick being able to do that ? The kid was a 200 foot player from day one....Patrick is no where close to as good as coots was in his first two years.

ever since his poopty betting schtick went up in flames, his suck level has grown exponentially
- KINGKENZO

poopty betting schtick? Surely it was poopty. You must’ve been one of the haters that bet against the swami.... and lost. But ok 👍🏻

poor start they were sleeping until Morin got them going
- 2Real

I just watched the first part of the game, I thought the Flyers had their legs. Provey just made two bad plays and both pucks ended up in one timers that made it to the back of the net. Also Morin's push should NOT be a 5 minute major, really bad call. The Flyers did well to stay focused and come back from these tough breaks.

It is absolutely poorly thought out. How can you be consistent on the point that the Isles have more skill so that is why they won the shootout all season? That makes no sense. Another poorly thought out comment.

The Flyers have 3 players who have put up 30 or more points this season. The Isles have 1. The Flyers have 7 players who have scored 25 or more points this season. The Isles have 3. The Flyers PP, despite it's struggles, ranks higher than the Isles PP. 18.9% to 18.4%. So explain to me how the Isles are the more skilled team?
- MJL

Ok, look at the goals scored tonight. The two Islander goals happened because of their speed and quick shot release. The Flyers goals? Well NAK's was sheer luck on a puck that was heading over the net, and Voracek's was a nice play. And when the Flyers had a PP in the 3rd they couldn't covert. The Flyers top players don't convert because they are not top players.

Ok, look at the goals scored tonight. The two Islander goals happened because of their speed and quick shot release. The Flyers goals? Well NAK's was sheer luck on a puck that was heading over the net, and Voracek's was a nice play. And when the Flyers had a PP in the 3rd they couldn't covert. The Flyers top players don't convert because they are not top players.
- jd250

More poorly thought out comments. Are you seriously going to try and spin based on one game? The Flyers score more goals than the Islanders do. The Flyers have higher individual scoring totals than the Isles do. The Flyers PP actually converts on a slightly higher percentage than the Isles do. The Flyers average more goals per game than the Isles do. Are the Flyers a better team than the Isles? Certainly not. Your statement that the more skilled team won the shootout because they converted once, is nonsense.

I only saw the replay. It's definitely a penalty but I question it being a major. There was hit on Sanheim in the 3rd period that absolutely was boarding but no call. That may have been worse.
- MJL

The even more bothersome part of Morin’s penalty was the refs even reviewed it on camera to decide if it was a major. What made them drop the hammer when the video shows it was a push from a stronger and bigger guy?

So nice to watch a bunch of poopts creek binge watch after going out for ice cream. So nice to enjoy the first really warm day and not wast 2 1/2 hours watching rerun of fumbledelphia fake flyers in fake season. Just tune in at end to see the status quo. Will enjoy reading comments on defending the status quo. It’s as good as trolling dem/rep going at it. Good times good times

More poorly thought out comments. Are you seriously going to try and spin based on one game? The Flyers score more goals than the Islanders do. The Flyers have higher individual scoring totals than the Isles do. The Flyers PP actually converts on a slightly higher percentage than the Isles do. The Flyers average more goals per game than the Isles do. Are the Flyers a better team than the Isles? Certainly not. Your statement that the more skilled team won the shootout because they converted once, is nonsense.
- MJL

I was just using tonight's game as an example. Ok, let's look at the last 2 shootouts against the Islanders, both times the Flyers did not score a goal while the Islanders scored on their 4th attempt and tonight on their 5th attempt. The Flyers are 0-9! I mean I'm not making this up, when the game is on the line, the Flyers top players don't come through.

I was just using tonight's game as an example. Ok, let's look at the last 2 shootouts against the Islanders, both times the Flyers did not score a goal while the Islanders scored on their 4th attempt and tonight on their 5th attempt. The Flyers are 0-9! I mean I'm not making this up, when the game is on the line, the Flyers top players don't come through.
- jd250

Yes, you're making it up. You're trying to say that the Isles won the shootout because they're a more skilled team. Simply not true. The isles don't have more individual skill than the Flyers do.

While there have been games where Jake and G weren’t great or just made bad mistake (mainly Jake), they haven’t been the big issue this year. It’s the classic issue we had with them for many many years: support cast just isn’t good enough. It seemed we turned a corner last year but the step backs are real this year. Last year we had consistent support from TK, Hayes, Laughton and Oskar (before cancer). Those guys just aren’t producing as much it seems. JVR is your typical crazy hot streak then cold. A lot of young guys and role players (NAK) took a step back this year too. I know most want this culture change and want to move on from Jake and G, but i don’t blame this season on them as most do.

Did the Flyers have a poor start again tonight again, or were the Flyers just unlucky? According to AV it was the latter, but I missed the start of the game and really don't want to watch it, so wondering what you all say?
- jd250

No, I wouldn’t label it a poor start...certainly not in the top 20 poor starts of the year, and we have seen some doozies.

One of our goals against was after a turnover. The first Isles goal looked lucky through a screen of guys. NAK’s goal was flukey, looked to be going wide but their goalie put it in for us.

Overall, I thought the play was pretty even, but I think the Flyers missed many opportunities on offense with lack of crisp passing, more looking for a pass, and trouble getting a quick shot off. The best chances were all those short-handed breakaways during the Morin penalty. Couldn’t seem to bury one.

I thought they played well tonight for the most part, but there are no moral victories now. That penalty on Morin was NOT a 5 minute major and a game! I like AV, but not sure what he was thinking in sending Farabee out there when you needed a goal. He's obviously playing with no confidence, so that's a bad choice and he seems to be making bad choices on numerous occasions lately. Hart looked good after another shaky start(especially in the SO). Not much you can do when a shot goes in off the post. Hayes still looks lost for the most part and that contract looks like it may become an albatross sooner rather than later. At least he appeared to be somewhat engaged at times tonight.

Someone (frank)in explain to me how I can hear all season long how good Laughton is on breakaways but isn’t tried in the shootout. So we get scores one, we have one more chance to stay in it, so Vigneault goes with Voracek or Farabee who never try a move, they just go in for the shot!

How is it on a delayed penalty, Vigneault has the big guns of Giroux, Couturier, Voracek, JvR, Provorov and Lindblom out there with possession and great pressure. We fail to score but our staff comes back with the same useless power play units and don’t get half the amount of pressure that we did on the delay? Explain why we’re not going top heavy and getting our best guys on one unit.

Hagg played great. Glad he returned but why scratch Myers now? Myers is logging heavy minutes every night and everything is on the line, why scratch him now for Hagg? I think I’d understand if we’re scratching Braun but not Myers.

Points are only part of what makes a good hockey player...you know that. ....I watched a young Couturier outshine and outplay Malkin in the playoffs...can you imagine Patrick being able to do that ? The kid was a 200 foot player from day one....Patrick is no where close to as good as coots was in his first two years.
- landros 2

He didn't outshine and outplay Malkin. He shut him down and got concussed as a thank you. Very creditable, but Couts was a 50 feet player for a long time.He had that 1 hat trick in 2012 playoffs, but that was an anomaly. He struggled to score. Look back at this board in 2016, and you will find ppl unloading on his cement hands

Advantage couts because of his usage, but the general point stands.

He didn't outshine and outplay Malkin. He shut him down and got concussed as a thank you. Very creditable, but Couts was a 50 feet player for a long time.He had that 1 hat trick in 2012 playoffs, but that was an anomaly. He struggled to score. Look back at this board in 2016, and you will find ppl unloading on his cement hands

Advantage couts because of his usage, but the general point stands.
- PT21

This is inaccurate on many levels. There were a number of playoff games where Couturier indeed did outplay Malkin. That's just a fact. I think your memory issues are flaring up again. I have no idea what a 50 feet player means but if you're trying to say he was only a good defensive player. That would also be inaccurate. Couturier was scoring well at 5 on 5 and at a 2nd line level for many seasons before busting out offensively. His scoring totals for his usage and his role were solid. It's not an intelligent comment to reference posts made by some uninformed fans to try and support your narrative.