No doubt. They have to go on a streak. And regulation wins. This is not what I expected this season.
- Peter Richards

Ridiculous utter failing by the organization and delayed inability to correct the mistakes in a timely fashion - especially during this covid-19 reduced season. Yet another example of the Flyers just being way behind the curve again. Is it cockiness because of the monopoly of the market and everyone retaining their season tickets?

So another draft year of most likely another whatever 1st rounder that might become a bottom six like Laughton.

Hopefully Provorov and Hart aren't ruined.

Alert to y'all:

There is a very interesting article about Carter Hart in the Athletic by Pronman.

I would post it here, but the article has a large # of embedded videos to emphasize different points.

Here is the summary though:

Considering all the evidence, including evaluating his toolkit for many years, and his performance this season and in prior seasons, I think a realistic long-term projection for the 22-year-old is a true NHL starting goaltender, a top-30 goalie in the league (if not better), but likely not a true star/upper echelon NHL goalie.
- PT21

We will see. He and the team struggled. If he can finish strong he has the tools to get better. Is young. I don’t know what his or other numbers are. But guessing all great goaltenders had one or two bad years. More recently of course. But not this bad. That’s also on the team.

Christ Meltzer you know exactly what this guy means. This team for the last 10 years is treading water. Everything you just stated player wise doesn’t work. NO RESULTS. I’d rather have 20 Scott Laughtins or Morins than this sad predictable bunch.
- Angus4444

Ya Christ Meltzer....

Your second sentence is spot on. No one on an opinion board should be able to say another opinion is wrong.
You are also proving my point. Fan is short for fanatic, and I am a Flyers fanatic. They have done horrible things, like signing Billy Tibbetts, but I'm still with them. You are seeming to indicate that that makes me a sucker, but these are the things that make me me happy, and I willingly spend my time with the things that I enjoy. Maybe some of your hobbies are foolish to others.
In my view, your attempt to "prove" there is a formula to win Me, is flawed in that you completely discount luck. It takes a great deal of luck to win it all, no matter the talent, where they were somewhat randomly ranked at a somewhat random time, or when they were drafted. The Isles were certainly a little lucky in 1980 with two arguably gifted goals in a deciding game. Maybe they win anyway, or win Game 7, but due to some luck, we will never know.
I hope you'll take this the right way, but your attempts remind me of the scene in Dead Poets Society where Robin Williams' character has the students tear a page out of a textbook. He did so because the author was trying to graph poetry. Sports, poetry and all forms of art can not be quantified. A great deal of why it is appreciated is because of its subjective beauty and elegance.
- Stanley Cup

I would like you to know that I enjoyed your post. I love the unpredictability in sports, especially hockey. I think piecing individuals together to form a team is something artistic and beautiful. I enjoy looking at the numbers, but I realize that many events just can’t be accounted for beforehand.

Alert to y'all:

There is a very interesting article about Carter Hart in the Athletic by Pronman.

I would post it here, but the article has a large # of embedded videos to emphasize different points.

Here is the summary though:

Considering all the evidence, including evaluating his toolkit for many years, and his performance this season and in prior seasons, I think a realistic long-term projection for the 22-year-old is a true NHL starting goaltender, a top-30 goalie in the league (if not better), but likely not a true star/upper echelon NHL goalie.
- PT21

Pronman has never been a fan of Hart...he was shelled with negative comments after not giving a very favourable prognosis of Harts future 2 + years ago....has been lying in the weeds ever since waiting to say I told you so...(frank) Pronman...he’s more wrong then he’s ever been right.

We will see. He and the team struggled. If he can finish strong he has the tools to get better. Is young. I don’t know what his or other numbers are. But guessing all great goaltenders had one or two bad years. More recently of course.
- Peter Richards

It is a pretty good article by Hockey standards.

It shows videos of his elite hockey IQ, but also mentions in detail what was apparently a rap on Carter and why he went mid 2nd in spite of the former:

Here is a cut and paste:

I bring this up because in Hart’s example, he went in the middle of the second round despite having elite junior numbers and exceptional hockey sense. Why? It’s not just because he’s a goalie. NHL teams have used top-15 picks on goalies each of the last two drafts. It’s because he was seen by scouts as an elite IQ goalie, who at the time was measured by NHL Central Scouting at six-foot-and-a-half inches tall without true top-end NHL quickness in his lower half in goal.

This is one way that AV has done a very poor job of coaching. He has moved players in and out and changed line combos way too much. I've normally been a Haag supporter. I thought in the past, he has received more criticism then deserved. However this year, when he has played, he has been worse. His play with the puck degraded from barely acceptable, to pretty bad. He hasn't played in how long? True Myers has had his struggles but at this point, the time should be to focus on improving the young players for the future. I don't agree with that change.
- MJL

Just seems so (frank)ing arbitrary at this point.

Myers and Ghost go from playing 20+ minutes to the pressbox. Enter Hagg, Gus, Prosser, Morin etc who can't be trusted in many game situations so they only get limited minutes. Provorov, who's already buckling under an intense workload, ends up playing like 26-27 mins to compensate. Team struggles worse than before. Then they unscratch Myers/Ghost again.

Rinse repeat.

Alert to y'all:

There is a very interesting article about Carter Hart in the Athletic by Pronman.

I would post it here, but the article has a large # of embedded videos to emphasize different points.

Here is the summary though:

Considering all the evidence, including evaluating his toolkit for many years, and his performance this season and in prior seasons, I think a realistic long-term projection for the 22-year-old is a true NHL starting goaltender, a top-30 goalie in the league (if not better), but likely not a true star/upper echelon NHL goalie.
- PT21

I wouldn't line a bird cage with the garbage written by the Athletic.

So Pronman aside, if Hart turns out not to be the franchise goaltender many predicted the Flyers are literally nowhere.

Pronman has never been a fan of Hart...he was shelled with negative comments after not giving a very favourable prognosis of Harts future 2 + years ago....has been lying in the weeds ever since waiting to say I told you so...(frank) Pronman...he’s more wrong then he’s ever been right.
- landros 2

Spot on about his underrating Hart all along.

6. I never get personally offended by statements on boards, so no caveat necessary, but: Terrible movie. Mawkish, cliched, and inaccurate. I don't remember the scene and I am grateful for that lapse of memory. Don't take that the wrong way. *smile*

- PT21

Yes you do. On a regular basis. Almost daily. This is a false claim.

Why is Flyers live speaking to Brind’mour talk about his team, not even in our division?

Just seems so (frank)ing arbitrary at this point.

Myers and Ghost go from playing 20+ minutes to the pressbox. Enter Hagg, Gus, Prosser, Morin etc who can't be trusted in many game situations so they only get limited minutes. Provorov, who's already buckling under an intense workload, ends up playing like 26-27 mins to compensate. Team struggles worse than before. Then they unscratch Myers/Ghost again.

Rinse repeat.
- Tomahawk

The good thing about having a stable of third pairing defensemen, they are interchangeable.

It is a pretty good article by Hockey standards.

It shows videos of his elite hockey IQ, but also mentions in detail what was apparently a rap on Carter and why he went mid 2nd in spite of the former:

Here is a cut and paste:

I bring this up because in Hart’s example, he went in the middle of the second round despite having elite junior numbers and exceptional hockey sense. Why? It’s not just because he’s a goalie. NHL teams have used top-15 picks on goalies each of the last two drafts. It’s because he was seen by scouts as an elite IQ goalie, who at the time was measured by NHL Central Scouting at six-foot-and-a-half inches tall without true top-end NHL quickness in his lower half in goal.
- PT21

Pronman was just tonguing Hart's balls before this season. Stinks of recency bias.

I wouldn't line a bird cage with the garbage written by the Athletic.

So Pronman aside, if Hart turns out not to be the franchise goaltender many predicted the Flyers are literally nowhere.
- PLindbergh31

I am no defender of the Athletic, but neither am I against them.

So, just curious. Why are they garbage? Or are you just reacting to things you did not like they wrote?

Why is Flyers live speaking to Brind’mour talk about his team, not even in our division?
- SuperSchennBros

Brindy is awesome. Only reason you need.

Pronman has never been a fan of Hart...he was shelled with negative comments after not giving a very favourable prognosis of Harts future 2 + years ago....has been lying in the weeds ever since waiting to say I told you so...(frank) Pronman...he’s more wrong then he’s ever been right.
- landros 2

Pronman was just tonguing Hart's balls before this season. Stinks of recency bias.
- Tomahawk

Hmmm

I am no defender of the Athletic, but neither am I against them.

So, just curious. Why are they garbage? Or are you just reacting to things you did not like they wrote?
- PT21

I did the free trial a while ago, and just remember rolling my eyes after reading a lot of articles.

Here we go again. PT21 has now found the gold standard on Carter Hart for when anyone brings up that the Flyers have a potential top goalie in the league in Hart. Just as he did with the player rankings he found on NHL.com.

I did the free trial a while ago, and just remember rolling my eyes after reading a lot of articles.
- PLindbergh31

Sports journalism is essentially an impossible task.

The surface stuff everyone can see. And everyone believes their opinion is just as good as others.

The depth stuff requires stats and hard work. Very few care about the former, so the hard work never gets put in.

Brindy is awesome. Only reason you need.
- Tomahawk

They changed to focus to the Flyers. Took a minute.

Hmmm

- PT21

Haven't been subbed to the Athletic for a couple of years, but when Hart was a prospect, Pronman was showering him w/ compliments. Best goalie prospect since Carey Price, etc etc.

They changed to focus to the Flyers. Took a minute.
- SuperSchennBros

If Brindy ever leaves Carolina, the Flyers should jump on him.

Sports journalism is essentially an impossible task.

The surface stuff everyone can see. And everyone believes their opinion is just as good as others.

The depth stuff requires stats and hard work. Very few care about the former, so the hard work never gets put in.
- PT21

I hear you. I just think there is plenty information out there that is free, I don't see why anyone would pay for it. And being the Athletic subscription went from $7.99 a month to a $1 I'd say the consumer has spoken.

Hmmm

- PT21

I must of missed that article.

Haven't been subbed to the Athletic for a couple of years, but when Hart was a prospect, Pronman was showering him w/ compliments. Best goalie prospect since Carey Price, etc etc.
- Tomahawk

You are directly contradicting another poster about Pronman on Hart, but whatever.

Honestly, it was a balanced article. It was well researched, full of optimism that this CH season is an aberration, and mentions how elite he was for his age before turning 21, but it also provides data that his struggles this season are at least in part likely due to some underlying issues that were part of his scouting report.

I quote another part:

"...there’s luck in how the puck gets into scoring areas, but those are pucks that even if Hart doesn’t stop, he needs to track and react very quickly, and make the stop competitive because he doesn’t have the athletic tools to make up for it.

Some may wonder if this is an overly simplistic way to look at goalies. Almost all the clips I’ve shown are crease area shots and focus on how he’s playing those shots. After all, they face dozens of shots a game from all locations. But having talked to a lot of team evaluators and studied goalies, I find the way they react, move and handle the shots in high percentage areas tells a lot.

The NHL doesn’t have public save percentage by region of the ice, so I had to enlist NHL sources for this data. Carter Hart’s save percentage from the net front and slot area this season is .797. Last season Hart’s save percentage from the net front and slot area was .831. Hart’s save percentage this season from all other regions, meaning from outside the net or slot area is .969. Last season it was .960.

Note how little the divergence is one area and how much in the other.