If you are going to replace JVR with an ELC, which is the only way I would trade him, then you can easily eat the max amount. JVR at $3.5ish for 2 years would be unbelievable for any team. He is extemely vanilla, but a model of consistency regarding output. Streaky in between the start and finish but extremely consistent on an annual basis (0.62PPG)

Who do you consider future core? I dont know that I see many of our players being more than middle 6 and 2nd pairing potential. Farabee Frost Coots York Provy Hart might be my only true untouchables. Would I trade anyone else in the RIGHT deal? Probably.
- Tfaehner

Why would Frost be untouchable...what has he done in Lehigh Valley or Philly that would suggest he should in any way be "untouchable"? If the Flyers are lucky he won't be an outright bust.

I would like the Flyers to emulate the Lightning of last year. Add physicality while keeping the talent level. So if that meant trading Ghost or JVR for more physical players I would mostly be cool with that. Obviously, it depends on who they add. If they add a Jody Shelley type that would be a negative. If they added a Scott Hartnell type I would be cool with that.

I am fine with addressing defense after the ED.
- mickel25

There is a problem with that comparison. The problem lies in the assessment of how good their core was before last years versus ours now.

Look at the ppg in the playoffs for their core players entering last season. The sample set is large as the group other than Point had played a lot in the post-season by then (Kucherov 65 games, Stamkos 70 and so on). Their data is largely evenly spread out (no one had an season that really skews the results).

Kucherov 0.94, Point 0.81, Stamkos: 0.76, Palat 0.6, Hedman 0.6.

What jumps out at you? This core group can produce at a very high level in the playoffs and for the most part, the sample size is large.

Here is us:

Giroux 0.86 (caveat below), Hayes 0.8, Voracek 0.6, Couturier 0.55, Provorov 0.5.

Giroux's playoff number's are very skewed. In the last 6 years, his numbers are 35 games for 0.5 ppg.

In other words, there is a huge difference between the quality of their core and ours. That pretty much shows also in the playoff success of the past 5-6 years before their cup run.

They failed last night. You’d never know it in here today though
- Just5

stop.

Devils looking like a playoff team. Wave to them bye
- Just5

Idk. The pens traded him after Simmonds laid the smack down. Yea simmer is a beast. Jamie was also knocked out by Wilson around the same time. He is huge but not overly tough.
- Peter Richards

I wouldn’t necessarily describe Oleksiak as “not overly tough.” Most guys who fight will get nicked at some point or another...he certainly doesn’t back down from a fight or shy away from getting involved in the rough stuff. His aggressiveness is sorely needed on this team.

Because the short term gain may not surpass the long term potential gain you gave up. I don't want to just be good again. I want more. The Flyers are wrong if they think they trade their way there. It also depends on the player. If the Flyers can add someone like Seth Jones for the right price, then I'm on board. I'm not on board overpaying for an Ekholm type.
- MJL

I don't want the Flyers to chase players that are not going to be part of the long term solution here either. However Fletcher can't be afraid to swing for the fence once in a while. Like draft picks, some trades work out and others don't, but you wouldn't stop trying to draft and develop just because you missed on a pick. Thus I want Fletcher to be aggressive to fill the gaps on the team and the farm system. We want the same thing, the Flyers contending again for several years, not one and done. But to do this in my opinion, Fletcher cannot be fearful of trading away potential talent for actual talent.

sorry to hear, I liked the main detective


there's a new release on Netflix called "The Serpent" that im going to start
- KINGKENZO

I remember the actual story when it received world wide publicity. My advice would be to stay well clear.

I wanna sell this series to all I am watching because of its dark absurdity combined with danger.

Its in Argentina, but could be in any south American hellhole. Begins with protagonist coming to in a room. Two people are slumped dead, their brains splattered against the wall. A kid comes in and hands dude a phone.

A voice informs him that he must take the rap for double homicide. Pretend to flee for authenticity but it will be no good. Police are everywhere. he must go to jail to infiltrate a gang that has kidnapped the caller's daughter. Caller is a powerful judge who will take care of the protagonist after he finishes what he is being sent for.

After that, the kid comes back, steps over dead bodies, and asks for the phone back.

Prison is a hellhole which is part shantytown part kafka part Rikers. A long rambling group of buildings and shacks. Everyone is spectacularly corrupt, from the warden to prisoners who are divided into gangs, some more powerful than others. The currency of transaction is violence and offer of bumholes. People obtain phone cards for the price of offering up their butt for 10 mins and so on.

Guards bring in hookers for the evening for the proper bribe. Sometimes, before sadism, they burst into arias. Midgets celebrate birthdays by looting supply stores and getting blow jobs from transsexual prisoners. In the middle of all this, the protagonist moves from gang to gang, trying to figure out the kidnapping details. And deals with an earnest social worker determined to rehabilitate him and who urges him to go to theater class.

One of the best movies I have seen in the past 10 years was Wild Tales . The combination of real tension and dark humor and absurdity is very Latin. This is in the same vein.

I'll take Provorov and Seth Jones for the next 12 years as a set it and forget it top pairing. Arguments on how good Seth is are up for debate but hes definitely really good and would definitely be an elite pairing.
- Tfaehner

I would be truly down with that. Instead of 12, I would settle for 8.

LOL, as if every other Flyers dman including Provorov isn't in trouble against the Bruins top line. People act like because he's big he's automatically a slow plaing/thinking Broad Street Bully. His game has been as effective as any of the other regressing bueliners this season, stop adding BS things that people think should only apply to him because he's a "goon".
- eabrenner

What are you talking about? Did you watch the game last night? If you did with ever a little focus you would have seen JVR having a hard time defending the Bruins top line. Yes the Bruins top line is one of the best in the league and that is why AV matched Couturier's line to it. However JVR struggled, that's all I am saying. This has nothing to do with his size or ability, its just a fact. If I were AV I would have swapped him out with a player like Laughton to increase my chances 5 on 5 on shutting that line down. You shut down the Bruins top line, you best them!

There is a problem with that comparison. The problem lies in the assessment of how good their core was before last years versus ours now.

Look at the ppg in the playoffs for their core players entering last season. The sample set is large as the group other than Point had played a lot in the post-season by then (Kucherov 65 games, Stamkos 70 and so on). Their data is largely evenly spread out (no one had an season that really skews the results).

Kucherov 0.94, Point 0.81, Stamkos: 0.76, Palat 0.6, Hedman 0.6.

What jumps out at you? This core group can produce at a very high level in the playoffs and for the most part, the sample size is large.

Here is us:

Giroux 0.86 (caveat below), Hayes 0.8, Voracek 0.6, Couturier 0.55, Provorov 0.5.

Giroux's playoff number's are very skewed. In the last 6 years, his numbers are 35 games for 0.5 ppg.

In other words, there is a huge difference between the quality of their core and ours. That pretty much shows also in the playoff success of the past 5-6 years before their cup run.
- PT21

I did not assess the core in my post. I simply said I wanted them to add physicality without sacrificing talent. That is what TBL did after losing to CBJ in the playoffs.

wheres the Seth Jones talk coming from? Speculation or actual rumor?

Watched queens gambit with the with. Only like 8 or 10 episodes but was pretty good.
- Peter Richards

Didn't like it. I mean, it was ok. Fashion/period piece masquerading as competitive chess.

It would be a little like if someone made a show about the marines, for example, with a woman at the center, and then her personal issues second, and then the actual marine experience, vastly distorted as a pretty distant 3rd.

I did not assess the core in my post. I simply said I wanted them to add physicality without sacrificing talent. That is what TBL did after losing to CBJ in the playoffs.
- mickel25

I thought your implicit assertion was that we could follow not just path but also arrive at similar destination.

Otherwise, why follow the path?

wheres the Seth Jones talk coming from? Speculation or actual rumor?
- PhillaBully

Wishful thinking.

wheres the Seth Jones talk coming from? Speculation or actual rumor?
- PhillaBully

It's brought up a little bit in the past as a backup in case Ekholm wasn't an option.

I'm not sure what he's gonna cost or what you have to give up in a trade, but I'll wait patiently in a year when he hits the market.

I remember the actual story when it received world wide publicity. My advice would be to stay well clear.

I wanna sell this series to all I am watching because of its dark absurdity combined with danger.

Its in Argentina, but could be in any south American hellhole. Begins with protagonist coming to in a room. Two people are slumped dead, their brains splattered against the wall. A kid comes in and hands dude a phone.

A voice informs him that he must take the rap for double homicide. Pretend to flee for authenticity but it will be no good. Police are everywhere. he must go to jail to infiltrate a gang that has kidnapped the caller's daughter. Caller is a powerful judge who will take care of the protagonist after he finishes what he is being sent for.

After that, the kid comes back, steps over dead bodies, and asks for the phone back.

Prison is a hellhole which is part shantytown part kafka part Rikers. A long rambling group of buildings and shacks. Everyone is spectacularly corrupt, from the warden to prisoners who are divided into gangs, some more powerful than others. The currency of transaction is violence and offer of bumholes. People obtain phone cards for the price of offering up their butt for 10 mins and so on.

Guards bring in hookers for the evening for the proper bribe. Sometimes, before sadism, they burst into arias. Midgets celebrate birthdays by looting supply stores and getting blow jobs from transsexual prisoners. In the middle of all this, the protagonist moves from gang to gang, trying to figure out the kidnapping details. And deals with an earnest social worker determined to rehabilitate him and who urges him to go to theater class.

One of the best movies I have seen in the past 10 years was Wild Tales . The combination of real tension and dark humor and absurdity is very Latin. This is in the same vein.
- PT21

im in

I thought your implicit assertion was that we could follow not just path but also arrive at similar destination.

Otherwise, why follow the path?
- PT21

Just want them to play more physically and not take a hit in the talent department. If they win the Cup because of it that’s great.

I don't want the Flyers to chase players that are not going to be part of the long term solution here either. However Fletcher can't be afraid to swing for the fence once in a while. Like draft picks, some trades work out and others don't, but you wouldn't stop trying to draft and develop just because you missed on a pick. Thus I want Fletcher to be aggressive to fill the gaps on the team and the farm system. We want the same thing, the Flyers contending again for several years, not one and done. But to do this in my opinion, Fletcher cannot be fearful of trading away potential talent for actual talent.
- jd250

I think it is unreasonable if not downright delusional to expect Chuck Fletcher to morph into the second coming of Keith Allen and in the current NHL environment, trade and sign the team into true contention. I'm not saying, to do nothing. If a smart move presents itself make it. However any significant escalation away from drafting and development is far more likely to result in a team that is not good enough and is now cap strapped than a Cup team. Right back to where we were before Hextall took over.

wheres the Seth Jones talk coming from? Speculation or actual rumor?
- PhillaBully

A bit of reading between the lines. He has not committed to re upping with Columbus and many sources suggest he won't unless they're competitive. He is a free agent after next year. We desperately need a top pairing RHD and his age and play would have him as a top target for us. Both teams have been rumored to wanting to make big trades this off season. Cost id imagine would be in the realm of 1 or 2 first rounders, Sanheim and a good center prospect / young nhl player.

There is a problem with that comparison. The problem lies in the assessment of how good their core was before last years versus ours now.

Look at the ppg in the playoffs for their core players entering last season. The sample set is large as the group other than Point had played a lot in the post-season by then (Kucherov 65 games, Stamkos 70 and so on). Their data is largely evenly spread out (no one had an season that really skews the results).

Kucherov 0.94, Point 0.81, Stamkos: 0.76, Palat 0.6, Hedman 0.6.

What jumps out at you? This core group can produce at a very high level in the playoffs and for the most part, the sample size is large.

Here is us:

Giroux 0.86 (caveat below), Hayes 0.8, Voracek 0.6, Couturier 0.55, Provorov 0.5.

Giroux's playoff number's are very skewed. In the last 6 years, his numbers are 35 games for 0.5 ppg.

In other words, there is a huge difference between the quality of their core and ours. That pretty much shows also in the playoff success of the past 5-6 years before their cup run.
- PT21

What you're ignoring again, is that the Bolts didn't win until Stamkos 12th year in the league. Until Hedman's 11th year. Until Vasilevskiy's 6th year. Palat's 8th year. It was not until they got lucky with drafting Point and Kucherov that they put it together along with other players.

The Flyers core that will take them to the Cup if they're fortunate enough, is in it's infancy.

What you're ignoring again, is that the Bolts didn't win until Stamkos 12th year in the league. Until Hedman's 11th year. Until Vasilevskiy's 6th year. Palat's 8th year. It was not until they got lucky with drafting Point and Kucherov that they put it together along with other players.

The Flyers core that will take them to the Cup if they're fortunate enough, is in it's infancy.
- MJL

Who is your core ? Again just curious.

Who is your core ? Again just curious.
- Tfaehner

Right now, moving forward its Couturier, Giroux and the young players coming up and with the team now. As well as any other players they draft who make the grade in the future.

What’s everybody’s Laughton offer?

What’s everybody’s Laughton offer?
- Just5

I wouldn't trade Laughton.

Right now, moving forward its Couturier, Giroux and the young players coming up and with the team now. As well as any other players they draft who make the grade in the future.
- MJL

Rather non specific. My hopeful core is Coots Patrick Frost down the middle. Tk lindblom Bee allison Wisdom Foerster. York provy myers sanheim. Hart errson. In a perfect world thats a high performing top 9 top 4 and goaltending. Highly doubt we get a perfect world.