Lets assume Freddy is gone.

in the off season, which one of these do you do?
assuming can only afford 1..and these are the only options (no, trading willy is not one of them)

Sign Hyman, Trade Rielly
re-sign Rielly, let Hyman walk
- senstroll

Let Freddie walk.
Sign Hyman.
Wait and see about Rielly, with the expectation that you will either trade him or keep him as an "own rental" next year.

I am honestly very torn about Rielly. He'd be very hard to replace. He also drives me crazy. For example, Rielly is better offensively that Gardiner and typically makes fewer dumb decisions, but I don't think he is a better defender. His d-zone stick is poor, his board battles are below average, his defensive positioning is suspect . . . but he's a great skater, an excellent passer, and he has good offensive instincts. On a team like Toronto, he can help drive the play - typically with a positive result (noting that this year - so far - is the first one where Rielly has really posted a good xG% at 5v5 and how much of that do you accredit to Brodie?).

If you can get Rielly back at under $6m - which I don't think you can - you keep him.

I don't know. How much do you think we miss him if we plug in a $4m replacement who can play D?

Maybe the Alberta teams shouldn't have thought that just getting Lucic-like players for 50 years was a good strategy.

Maybe they should have been trying to diversify their lineups during the good times.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the Alberta teams, who thought that people would accept dirty players forever. I'm glad they cancelled the pipeline of dirty players to Alberta.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yet if you ask Leafs fans the most pressing need at the TDL for the playoffs it is tough (dirty players) like Nick Foligno or David Savard.

I took a quick look backwards and there haven't been many first round picks or top prospects dealt for rentals - unless they are elite. The only rental I see that "maybe" gets in that category is Hall - and I'm not really loving his fit.

Assuming KD is only in on rentals then I think it's Liljegren and picks (not a first) kind of territory. ...I think.
- The Law

Joe Thornton has more goals than Hall.

This is going to be a funny one to watch, because Buffalo can't get too greedy.

I understand that.

its just a question..one or the other..if you had to decide now
- senstroll

Hyman, top of his game, Reilly is not, at the moment.

I hear this, and I'm not sure I see the pitch to swing for the fences . . . What is the swing for fences move? I hear things proposed, and I don't know how much they move the needle and how much they affect the chemistry.

Try to add Hall?
Try to add Jenner/Foligno & Savard?

Who, other than Hall, is a top-6 winger that plays the left side, that is on the block that will make a significant enough difference that is worth the price? Rakell?

I am currently assuming that Granlund, Forsberg and Ekholm are not on the block.
- Monkeypunk

Can Palmieri play on the left? I’m not against bringing in Hall. I’m also not against bringing in a really solid third line guy to keep Hyman up top and give us three really good lines. That could leave room for a small D addition.

I really like Gally on the second line but think it could get another gear with an addition. He’s looked good on the forecheck and could potentially strengthen the third.

So lots of ways to swing.

Joe Thornton has more goals than Hall.

This is going to be a funny one to watch, because Buffalo can't get too greedy.
- Atomic Wedgie

I still think he fetches a first.

But the Habs got a Tomas Vanek in his prime for a 2nd and prospect a few years ago because the Islanders mismanaged the asset at the deadline....

It would be so Buffalo to end up with a bad deal for him.

I took a quick look backwards and there haven't been many first round picks or top prospects dealt for rentals - unless they are elite. The only rental I see that "maybe" gets in that category is Hall - and I'm not really loving his fit.

Assuming KD is only in on rentals then I think it's Liljegren and picks (not a first) kind of territory. ...I think.
- The Law

at this point I would rather trade the 1st than lilj.
they have put years into him already and he is a RHD, which you always need.

Pretty sure Hyman will get more than that.

But yes, young guys developing into actual NHL player is key for any team's cap management.
- Scabeh

His current $

I still think he fetches a first.

But the Habs got a Tomas Vanek in his prime for a 2nd and prospect a few years ago because the Islanders mismanaged the asset at the deadline....

It would be so Buffalo to end up with a bad deal for him.
- Scabeh

The $8M is a factor

Joe Thornton has more goals than Hall.

This is going to be a funny one to watch, because Buffalo can't get too greedy.
- Atomic Wedgie

Eichel also has 2 goals in 21 games, that's 7 goals total for Eichel, Hall and Skinner. $27 million didn't buy Kim Pegula too much.

The $8M is a factor
- Canada Cup

What's the max amount of money Buffalo can eat up?

50%?

They'll do that to get their best return imo.

Hyman, top of his game, Reilly is not, at the moment.
- bixll

i would probably go the same

sign hyman to say 5x5 (gross)
trade Rielly this summer for a decent return (picks/propects)
then maybe sign a decent steady replacement (Brodie like) for 3-4 mil

and you have Sandin who should be pushing for a spot

I still think he fetches a first.

But the Habs got a Tomas Vanek in his prime for a 2nd and prospect a few years ago because the Islanders mismanaged the asset at the deadline....

It would be so Buffalo to end up with a bad deal for him.
- Scabeh

Not sure Vanek was in his prime though 😮end of his prime maybe

Can Palmieri play on the left? I’m not against bringing in Hall. I’m also not against bringing in a really solid third line guy to keep Hyman up top and give us three really good lines. That could leave room for a small D addition.

I really like Gally on the second line but think it could get another gear with an addition. He’s looked good on the forecheck and could potentially strengthen the third.

So lots of ways to swing.
- Canada Cup

Even if Palmieri can't play on the left, Willy likes to play on the left - if you can find the right RW to insert there.

I forgot about him. You're right. He'd be a good addition. He's got some physicality to his game which would bolster that line.

Pretty sure Hyman will get more than that.

But yes, young guys developing into actual NHL player is key for any team's cap management.
- Scabeh

2.85?

I still think he fetches a first.

But the Habs got a Tomas Vanek in his prime for a 2nd and prospect a few years ago because the Islanders mismanaged the asset at the deadline....

It would be so Buffalo to end up with a bad deal for him.
- Scabeh

Maybe Colorado or the NYI would. I wonder what other method of salary cap cheating Tampa would have to do to fit Hall in under the cap.

Not sure Vanek was in his prime though 😮end of his prime maybe
- annoyed

Well he finished the year with 68 points, his third best total.

But whatever, point is, he was one of the best rental available on the market and the Islanders had JUST given up more for him a few weeks back.

What's the max amount of money Buffalo can eat up?

50%?

They'll do that to get their best return imo.
- Scabeh

Actually it can be a three team deal, where Buffalo eats 50% and another (middleman) team eats another 50% before trading him to his destination. If you get enough teams involved, you could get him down to the league minimum.

Actually it can be a three team deal, where Buffalo eats 50% and another (middleman) team eats another 50% before trading him to his destination. If you get enough teams involved, you could get him down to the league minimum.

- winsix

How awesome would that be?

Well he finished the year with 68 points, his third best total.

But whatever, point is, he was one of the best rental available on the market and the Islanders had JUST given up more for him a few weeks back.



- Scabeh

Ya he did have a good season, I didn’t see all 3 teams he played for that year. Dried up a bit after that.

i would probably go the same

sign hyman to say 5x5 (gross)
trade Rielly this summer for a decent return (picks/propects)
then maybe sign a decent steady replacement (Brodie like) for 3-4 mil

and you have Sandin who should be pushing for a spot
- senstroll

Agreed

i would probably go the same

sign hyman to say 5x5 (gross)
trade Rielly this summer for a decent return (picks/propects)
then maybe sign a decent steady replacement (Brodie like) for 3-4 mil

and you have Sandin who should be pushing for a spot
- senstroll

What’s so gross about $5 for Hyman.

We pay less players more.

What’s so gross about $5 for Hyman.

We pay less players more.
- annoyed

He will get 4 to 5 mill for sure.

He will get 4 to 5 mill for sure.
- bixll

Worth it for a top line player

He will get 4 to 5 mill for sure.
- bixll

I would hope so, unless I’m watching the wrong guy.