Ignorance lol I really can’t wrap my head around it
- ClaudeFather[/img]

What a coherent reply

Marino would be my interest but that would be an overpay for laughton.

Sam Poulin is literally the only interesting prospect they have.

They have 2022 picks but that just tells us we're even further away than we thought from competing
- Tfaehner

Laughts is an impending UFA... and it's a buyer's market... probably not gonna fetch more than a draft pick.

Someone really said in the last blog that Coots is not a number 1 center? peak clown world

Marino would be my interest but that would be an overpay for laughton.

Sam Poulin is literally the only interesting prospect they have.

They have 2022 picks but that just tells us we're even further away than we thought from competing
- Tfaehner

or you use 2022 picks to use elsewhere to trade and upgrade. I absolutely sell high on Laughton.

1—This has been the argument from you all along so it isn’t surprising that you would choose to ignore the fact that Couturier is actually a 1C. Of course, he makes a great 2C, any 1C would...look at Pittsburgh and Tampa. Really, if you average his contributions, looking at faceoffs and defense, he is not in the bottom third...it would be the bottom of the top half.

C—The reason I bring this up is because of the first argument. Being a cup contender and ultimately winning a cup has a path that is restricted to matchups.
- NC Flyers Fan

Of course Couts is a 1c. I don't know what you mean by saying I ignored it. My position has been fairly consistent that Sean is ranked roughly around where other external sources rank him which is probably around the number 15 mark which is an average top line center.

Making the definition of the 1c on a contending club be dependent on the path to the playoffs is absurd. If that were the case, Travis Zajac would be on the list.

when you keep getting hired as part of the ole boys club you will accumulate wins. AV is an average coach.
- login

Just your average coach who has been a five-time Jack Adams Award finalist, taken teams in both conferences to the Stanley Cup Final and won a President's Trophy.

Someone really said in the last blog that Coots is not a number 1 center? peak clown world
- Richieattack18

It was a typo. He meant 1C on a contending club. Its pretty obvious if you read what ge said earlier.

Just your average coach who has been a five-time Jack Adams Award finalist, taken teams in both conferences to the Stanley Cup Final and won a President's Trophy.
- bmeltzer

Stop with jack adams nonsense. Means little. Bill Barber won it as well.

He has done a poor job this year and in the playoffs last year. Won with great goaltending to get to those cups.

Well, addressing the bolded in order:
A. I made it clear in my first line that the context was to add to the general recurrent discussion about Couts.
And further, If you see what the original poster has said, he begins by first ranking Sean as not a top center in a contending club, then goes on to say that he would be a good second line center, then goes on to say that he would be in the bottom third of the top centers in the league, and then finally goes too far by saying he's not a top center at all. So the last statement was not really what he was getting at and it's unfair to focus on that.


- PT21

This is classic PT21 spin. Laughable and factually incorrect. In response to my question of who would be the #1 center to the poster who wants to get rid of all the veterans. His first response to that question is

"And please don’t try to say coots is a #1 just because they play him there now. He’s a great #2 center."

So saying it is unfair to focus on that is nonsense.

Much is made that he "shuts down" top lines. Here is the thing: the days of the 3rd line checking center going up against the top lines are over. The proof of this is obtained simply by looking at what people making this argument are saying. They're saying that Sean C. is going up against the top lines of the other players but it takes two to tango for that means that the other lines top players and top centers are also going up against Sean Couturier who is our top center.


- PT21

You're missing the point. The point of that is that Couturier comes out on top in that battle routinely. He puts up the points he does while playing against top lines.

It was a typo. He meant 1C on a contending club. Its pretty obvious if you read what ge said earlier.
- PT21

So if it was a typo how did I read it incorrectly? Lmao. Even Bill slaughtered the guy for his foolishness

The Flyers slingshot does not work, and has not worked in years. Unless you think
crossing the blue line then dumping the puck in as success. And the eye test says over 50% of the time the puck comes right back out.
- Robert's Plant

That's false. The Flyers routinely use the slingshot to enter the zone successfully with possession.

Stop with jack adams nonsense. Means little. Bill Barber won it as well.

He has done a poor job this year and in the playoffs last year. Won with great goaltending to get to those cups.
- login

One Jack Adams finalist season can be a fluke of being in the right place at the right time. Five of them... no. It means he's a damn good coach; especially with the success he's had with various teams.

As for goaltending, yes, that's a big part of a team's success. So is the way the team plays in front of their goalie. That makes AV the same in that regard as, well, every coach everywhere and in any era.

How good of a job did Scotty "greatest coach of all-time" Bowman do with the Sabres? And he was his own GM, too.

What a coherent reply
- jd250

Haha I don’t think anyone can explain it

The first bolded statement makes no comparison to others, who are also averaging a ppg. 😃

I am afraid defensive center is a perk, not an essential attribute. Else, guys like Draisatl would not be on list.

No. 😁😁

I am afraid the last bold does not follow from what you said earlier.
- PT21

It's worse than I thought. It's all about the list. I guarantee that on the GM and coaches list, defense is not a perk. Making that statement is completely disqualifying. It is absolutely essential to winning.

The first bolded statement makes no comparison to others, who are also averaging a ppg. 😃

I am afraid defensive center is a perk, not an essential attribute. Else, guys like Draisatl would not be on list.

No. 😁😁

I am afraid the last bold does not follow from what you said earlier.
- PT21

The last thing you bolded was that "Couturier is in the 10 ten scoring centers right now". This is exactly what I posted earlier this morning. And Defense does matter, that is why if I had a choice between Draisaitl and Couturier, I would chose Couturier.

Of course Couts is a 1c. I don't know what you mean by saying I ignored it. My position has been fairly consistent that Sean is ranked roughly around where other external sources rank him which is probably around the number 15 mark which is an average top line center.

Making the definition of the 1c on a contending club be dependent on the path to the playoffs is absurd. If that were the case, Travis Zajac would be on the list.
- PT21

Maybe this is why, in complete hindsight, my look into the “stars players” that were the most impactful in recent playoffs include players that are “close but no cigar” in standard positional rankings of top players. Sure players you would expect appear, but so do very good but not “preseason top 10 list” players. The number of those impact players directly correlates to team success. Higher = better. It was not about who has the best center, for example, but rather a higher impact across positions. In the case of the 2017 Penguins, they had the most impact across positions and the #1 center. The number #1 center for the past 3 seasons has been MacKinnon. Yet results are based on more than that in a true team sport.

If you're used to using Chrome, Brave browser is Chrome-based but w/ very robust privacy features and strong native adblocking. Works on desktop and mobile.
- Tomahawk

Brave is actually the default browser on my phone, but I really only use it for anonymous browsing. For anything that I need to log into, I use Firefox.

I did try to login to this site using Brave it wouldn't allow me under its default settings. I'm sure there's a way to futz with the settings and whitelist the site but I don't feel the need to do that at this time.

Firefox also has privacy features (enhanced tracking protection, private browsing windows) but it's not something I'm too concerned when using a site where an account is needed (at least here to comment on, versus just lurking, which doesn't necessitate an account at all).

I've also had issues with Brave not blocking all ads and not disabling auto-play on embedded videos (uBlock Origin is pretty much so flawless in blocking ads that I've only had to add a custom definition maybe once or twice ever since I've switched to it 6-7 years ago). However, Firefox may doing a better job with the auto-play because I specifically disabled it years ago when you still had to go into the advanced settings to do it. With me also syncing my settings with my Firefox account (including my stored logins and add-ons, as well as bookmarks), this disabled auto-play setting may be seamlessly propagating to every installation automatically.

One Jack Adams finalist season can be a fluke of being in the right place at the right time. Five of them... no. It means he's a damn good coach; especially with the success he's had with various teams.

As for goaltending, yes, that's a big part of a team's success. So is the way the team plays in front of their goalie. That makes AV the same in that regard as, well, every coach everywhere and in any era.

How good of a job did Scotty "greatest coach of all-time" Bowman do with the Sabres? And he was his own GM, too.
- bmeltzer

AV and Bowman in the same sentence as a coach. Sure why not. Being a good coach doesn't mean your a good GM.

AV isnt and won't be considered in the upper tier of great/very good coaches. Part of the ole boys club.

The last thing you bolded was that "Couturier is in the 10 ten scoring centers right now". This is exactly what I posted earlier this morning. And Defense does matter, that is why if I had a choice between Draisaitl and Couturier, I would chose Couturier.
- jd250

Well, if you mean right now to include a period from now to beginning of this season, and then normalize by games played, sure.

But right now should include a much longer start point to avoid the huge small sample bias. Otherwise, we could just define right now to be a period of last game, or last week, or last month.

As for choosing Couts over Draisatl, your choices are your own of course, and you are free to make them. But let's just say most the rest of the hockey world would disagree with you because you're comparing the reigning Hart trophy winner to a guy who finish nowhere in that particular category or voting.

I think because Couts is such a strong 2way center, some of these extraneous defensive qualities show up in fan base rankings of Couts as a 1c. The criterion for top 1C does not mandate defensive studness. It requires an absence of a liability, and the rest is a perk.

I think the window to to make a trade closed 5 to 7 days ago. Don’t bother now.

With this said....My two favorite Flyers that I really push for are Patrick and Provorov. However, I’d pack their bags myself fit Seth Jones in one deal. Would you guys do it?
- SuperSchennBros

Isn't Jones a UFA?

Someone really said in the last blog that Coots is not a number 1 center? peak clown world
- Richieattack18

coots isn't a number 1 center on a championship team

Isn't Jones a UFA?
- Pelle31Forever

1 more year until UFA. But if he says he won't re-sign i expect him to be shopped post expansion draft.

Maybe this is why, in complete hindsight, my look into the “stars players” that were the most impactful in recent playoffs include players that are “close but no cigar” in standard positional rankings of top players. Sure players you would expect appear, but so do very good but not “preseason top 10 list” players. The number of those impact players directly correlates to team success. Higher = better. It was not about who has the best center, for example, but rather a higher impact across positions. In the case of the 2017 Penguins, they had the most impact across positions and the #1 center. The number #1 center for the past 3 seasons has been MacKinnon. Yet results are based on more than that in a true team sport.
- NC Flyers Fan

This 'impact' thing is quite vague and I am not aware of any clear cut numerical definition that measures "impact."

My point was much more precise and simply this:

1. On the Nhl.com survey, twice Couturier has showed up outside the top 15 on a list of centers.

2. A large data set, using multiple years, players, and games, excluding special teams and OT, and setting a minimum threshold of minutes, shows him to be exactly where the opinions place him.

Laughts is an impending UFA... and it's a buyer's market... probably not gonna fetch more than a draft pick.
- Tomahawk

I dont trade him for a draft pick. More valuable to us than a pick is unless you get a feeling he's walking.

Buyers market is questionable. Teams cant take on salary. Teams dont want term if they have to protect them in the draft. Laughton a quality 2 way player on a 2.3 million deal (believe prorated new team would take what 1.1 million?) Is a highly appealing option for teams. Who is selling ? Nashville is said to be keeping their players now. Dallas is said to be keeping their players. Columbus is questionable. Who is selling exactly? It seems like there's only a dozen of available players.

So if it was a typo how did I read it incorrectly? Lmao. Even Bill slaughtered the guy for his foolishness
- Richieattack18

Sorry, where did I say you read it incorrectly? I provided context.

Read the rest of his long posts. He slipped from arguing his central point: Couts is not a 1c on a contending club to not being a 1C at all. The last is absurd, of course.

It was late at night. It happens. If you read the other 98% of what he wrote, it is pretty clear his discussion focuses on contending.