Tough loss last night you outplayed the Leafs for 2 periods and we tied the game at 2 on the lucky break off Hanifin's skate.
But what the hell has happened to Monahan? He was invisible last night.

There does not seem to be any real interest in Monohan. Elite teams do not see hime as a top-6 player and his cap hit is onerous for a 3C. Perhaps a fringe playoff (ie. Habs) might have some interest, but the Flames would need to take back an undesirable multi-year contract. This would likely not provide a net benefit for the Flames.

I see the Flames having two effective options:

1. Short term - Slight Re-tool - Trade Gaudreau - As Canada remains far behind other first world nations in effective vaccine procurement, the NHL is preparing for the North Division to return for an encore next season. This combined with the Flames inability to compete outside of the weaker Pacific Division suggests Treliving should look to maximize the return for Gaudreau now. A few desperate teams have interest and Treliving should be able to acquire desirable prospects and NHL ready talent in return.

2. Long term - Complete Rebuild - Trade Tkachuk - This would be drastic maneuver. However, despite pundits often arguing otherwise, the value of pests has diminished across the league. Most top-tier teams have effectively immunized themselves against havoc. The good teams no longer react to buffoonery. Instead of drawing penalties, pests now end-up serving them. Nonetheless, Tkachuck still has extreme value as a power forward. I would prefer to keep a leashed Tkachuk over trading him. However, Flames management may see a complete overhaul as necessary to correct the corrupted team chemistry.

It should be an interesting trade deadline and offseason for Treliving.
- Jackie Daytona

Nylander for Tkachuk even up?

Well it’s over. Thanx Francis for the pie in the sky scenario of making playoffs last night. Nothing to look forward to but the draft, which should now be the priority for this team. A retool is needed to get back to contention with some good foundational pieces already in place.
Johnny hockey has the most value and yield the best return. Let’s assume an extension is worked out with the PHI GM before a trade is made:
Johnny + Kylington
For
Konecny + Gostisbere (negative value) + Foerster and a mid round pick

Is that reasonable value? What could Bennett, Rittich and Ryan fetch with salary retained? 2/3 round picks?

Just an idea if the Flames are restting for next year. . .

To Toronto
Bennett Rittich Ritchie

To Calgary

Kerfoot Engvall and a 1st

I know not enough but Kerfoot and Bennett is a swap and in all likelihood Calgary will lose Bennett to the expansion. Ritchie is UFA next year and a 1st for Rittich is pretty awesome. . .

Just an idea if the Flames are restting for next year. . .

To Toronto
Bennett Rittich Ritchie

To Calgary

Kerfoot Engvall and a 1st

I know not enough but Kerfoot and Bennett is a swap and in all likelihood Calgary will lose Bennett to the expansion. Ritchie is UFA next year and a 1st for Rittich is pretty awesome. . .
- n8butts

Sorry, we have scouts you know. A first round bust, second string goalie and a marginal player aren't going to get you Kerfoot, Engvall and a 1st that's for sure

Sorry, we have scouts you know. A first round bust, second string goalie and a marginal player aren't going to get you Kerfoot, Engvall and a 1st that's for sure
- Rang

You mean a 3rd line player that turns into beast mode during playoffs (unlike other players on Toronto), an all-star goalie, and a guy that can toss them and stick up for elite players.....who is currently getting first line minutes. See what I did there, cause I saw what you did there.

Well it’s over. Thanx Francis for the pie in the sky scenario of making playoffs last night. Nothing to look forward to but the draft, which should now be the priority for this team. A retool is needed to get back to contention with some good foundational pieces already in place.
Johnny hockey has the most value and yield the best return. Let’s assume an extension is worked out with the PHI GM before a trade is made:
Johnny + Kylington
For
Konecny + Gostisbere (negative value) + Foerster and a mid round pick

Is that reasonable value? What could Bennett, Rittich and Ryan fetch with salary retained? 2/3 round picks?
- JallHockey

I would rather us retain salary on JG than take on Ghost's 2 more years @3.375 per.
How about JG and 1.75 million retained to St Louis (offense starved with a closing window to win) for Bozak (money becomes a wash this year), Jake Neighbors and a 2021 1st (top 3 protected).
I think Bennet with 50% salary retained will be attractive to one of the top teams.
Ryan with 50% retained for a 3rd
Rittich does not have much value IMO.

You mean a 3rd line player that turns into beast mode during playoffs (unlike other players on Toronto), an all-star goalie, and a guy that can toss them and stick up for elite players.....who is currently getting first line minutes. See what I did there, cause I saw what you did there.
- DuranDuran

Bennett does have some perceived value as a playoff warrior so for him you might get a second rounder, which is where he should have been drafted.
Riitich has a career save % of .908, clearly a backup that is why you got Markstrom.
Riitchie is a spare part and not worth spending an asset on.

You mean a 3rd line player that turns into beast mode during playoffs (unlike other players on Toronto), an all-star goalie, and a guy that can toss them and stick up for elite players.....who is currently getting first line minutes. See what I did there, cause I saw what you did there.
- DuranDuran

Just an idea if the Flames are restting for next year. . .

To Toronto
Bennett Rittich Ritchie

To Calgary

Kerfoot Engvall and a 1st

I know not enough but Kerfoot and Bennett is a swap and in all likelihood Calgary will lose Bennett to the expansion. Ritchie is UFA next year and a 1st for Rittich is pretty awesome. . .
- n8butts

Lets be real the Flames are better off losing right now.

Please north division teams spend all your assets on rentals, one of you will have the honor of being worked in the 3rd round. The other three will be out early

Bennett does have some perceived value as a playoff warrior so for him you might get a second rounder, which is where he should have been drafted.
Riitich has a career save % of .908, clearly a backup that is why you got Markstrom.
Riitchie is a spare part and not worth spending an asset on.
- Rang

Maybe with hindsight...he was ranked #1 by central scouting and one of the "big four" any team would have taken him there.

Way she goes, better than Yakapov

I would rather us retain salary on JG than take on Ghost's 2 more years @3.375 per.
How about JG and 1.75 million retained to St Louis (offense starved with a closing window to win) for Bozak (money becomes a wash this year), Jake Neighbors and a 2021 1st (top 3 protected).
I think Bennet with 50% salary retained will be attractive to one of the top teams.
Ryan with 50% retained for a 3rd
Rittich does not have much value IMO.
- DEDDIE

Is that not enough for taking Ghosts contract? Perhaps Frost instead of Foerster... I think Farabee is untouchable at this point, but maybe Frost is too. Has a ton of potential. And I can stomach Gostisbere playing on the 3rd pair and being a PP specialist if the compensation is right.
I like the STL trade, I think the value spot on, but it depends if this team goes full rebuild or simply a retool. A retool means CGY needs a decent forward back in a trade. If its full rebuild, I think the Flames could do well having a fire sale, while taking on a few bad contracts to extract more value. Your suggested trade, plus:
Monahan to Carolina for Jake Gardiner, Seth Jarvis and pick...

I think the only untouchables for the Flames at the deadline/offseason are Chucky, Lindholm, Andersson, Mangy, Dube, Valimaki...

Maybe with hindsight...he was ranked #1 by central scouting and one of the "big four" any team would have taken him there.

Way she goes, better than Yakapov
- flashfire

True enough, there have been lots of first round high pick busts. See Daigle, Akexandre, Biggs, Tyler etc

Is that not enough for taking Ghosts contract? Perhaps Frost instead of Foerster... I think Farabee is untouchable at this point, but maybe Frost is too. Has a ton of potential. And I can stomach Gostisbere playing on the 3rd pair and being a PP specialist if the compensation is right.
I like the STL trade, I think the value spot on, but it depends if this team goes full rebuild or simply a retool. A retool means CGY needs a decent forward back in a trade. If its full rebuild, I think the Flames could do well having a fire sale, while taking on a few bad contracts to extract more value. Your suggested trade, plus:
Monahan to Carolina for Jake Gardiner, Seth Jarvis and pick...

I think the only untouchables for the Flames at the deadline/offseason are Chucky, Lindholm, Andersson, Mangy, Dube, Valimaki...
- JallHockey

The challenge is the guys you mentioned are the guys that would be in the most demand. Chucky would get you the most and likely the guy a team would overpay for.

The challenge is the guys you mentioned are the guys that would be in the most demand. Chucky would get you the most and likely the guy a team would overpay for.
- Rang

As I pointed out earlier you don’t trade guys that can be part of the solution. Literally all of those guy with exception of possibly lindholm will still be in the prime of their careers by the time the team will be looking to turn it around.

Hypothetically it would be laughable if we trade tkachuck and 3 years from now we’re talking about trying to find a 1st line winger for Shane Wright while tkachuck is only 26 years old terrorizing the league. Part of the reason why rebuilds like buffalo and Edmonton failed/took so long is because sure they had some stars come in but the rest of their teams were AHL scrubs.

You don’t get good by trading away all good players of value, you do it by recognizing which ones of value would be smart to keep around and hopefully draft good enough to turn an otherwise decent roster into an elite one.

As I pointed out earlier you don’t trade guys that can be part of the solution. Literally all of those guy with exception of possibly lindholm will still be in the prime of their careers by the time the team will be looking to turn it around.

Hypothetically it would be laughable if we trade tkachuck and 3 years from now we’re talking about trying to find a 1st line winger for Shane Wright while tkachuck is only 26 years old terrorizing the league. Part of the reason why rebuilds like buffalo and Edmonton failed/took so long is because sure they had some stars come in but the rest of their teams were AHL scrubs.

You don’t get good by trading away all good players of value, you do it by recognizing which ones of value would be smart to keep around and hopefully draft good enough to turn an otherwise decent roster into an elite one.
- RedC21

Well said!

As I pointed out earlier you don’t trade guys that can be part of the solution. Literally all of those guy with exception of possibly lindholm will still be in the prime of their careers by the time the team will be looking to turn it around.

Hypothetically it would be laughable if we trade tkachuck and 3 years from now we’re talking about trying to find a 1st line winger for Shane Wright while tkachuck is only 26 years old terrorizing the league. Part of the reason why rebuilds like buffalo and Edmonton failed/took so long is because sure they had some stars come in but the rest of their teams were AHL scrubs.

You don’t get good by trading away all good players of value, you do it by recognizing which ones of value would be smart to keep around and hopefully draft good enough to turn an otherwise decent roster into an elite one.
- RedC21

Spot on.
Chucks needs to stay, given his age alone. Lindy should stay too, given his cap hit vs production, and versatility to play center or right wing. If you can trade a few other big names for prospects that are close to making an impact, and hitting big on a couple draft picks in the next year or two, you are competing again with Andersson/ Lindholm/ Markstrom/Chucky still in the fold. At that point, maybe the cap goes up and you bring in a free agent or three once Lucic and a few others are off the books.

I like Kent Johnson, Dylan Guenther, and Owen Power in the top third of the draft.

Deadline plan :

With 1,3 million retained, someone in need of a middle 6 center would almost certainly offer a low 1rst round pick for Backlund. At 4/year Backlund suddenly becomes one of the most appealing options on the market. Pittsburgh, for exemple, are looking for a real 3C ever since they traded Staal to Carolina.

CGY : Marcus Pettersson, 2022 1rst round pick
PIT : Mikael Backlund (25% retained), Oliver Kylington, 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)

Then you flip Pettersson to Winnipeg along with Rittich, since they could very much use both.

CGY : Ville Heinola, Laurent Brossoit, Nathan Beaulieu, 2022 3rd round pick (CLB)
WIN : Marcus Pettersson, David Rittich (50% retained)

Minnesota are looking like they're gonna make the playoffs. They have a bunch of good playmakers (Kaprizov, Zucarello, Greenway), but they lack goalscorers, and also lack center depth. Monahan should be appealing to them. They'are also looking to get rid of Rask...Flames can help.

CGY : Victor Rask, Calen Addison, 2021 1rst round pick (PIT)
MIN : Sean Monahan (10% retained)

Goes without saying that Flames should also trade any spare parts (Ryan, Bennett, Leivo, etc.) before the deadline.

In the summer, finish the house cleaning and get rid of Gaudreau, Giordano (expansion draft?) and Tkachuk.

Rebuild shouldn't take that long this way, max 2-3 years. Weaponize cap space, take on bad contracts, accumulate assets.

Deadline plan :

With 1,3 million retained, someone in need of a middle 6 center would almost certainly offer a low 1rst round pick for Backlund. At 4/year Backlund suddenly becomes one of the most appealing options on the market. Pittsburgh, for exemple, are looking for a real 3C ever since they traded Staal to Carolina.

CGY : Marcus Pettersson, 2022 1rst round pick
PIT : Mikael Backlund (25% retained), Oliver Kylington, 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)

Then you flip Pettersson to Winnipeg along with Rittich, since they could very much use both.

CGY : Ville Heinola, Laurent Brossoit, Nathan Beaulieu, 2022 3rd round pick (CLB)
WIN : Marcus Pettersson, David Rittich (50% retained)

Minnesota are looking like they're gonna make the playoffs. They have a bunch of good playmakers (Kaprizov, Zucarello, Greenway), but they lack goalscorers, and also lack center depth. Monahan should be appealing to them. They'are also looking to get rid of Rask...Flames can help.

CGY : Victor Rask, Calen Addison, 2021 1rst round pick (PIT)
MIN : Sean Monahan

Goes without saying that Flames should also trade any spare parts (Ryan, Bennett, Leivo, etc.) before the deadline.

In the summer, finish the house cleaning and get rid of Gaudreau, Giordano (expansion draft?) and Tkachuk.

Rebuild shouldn't take that long this way, max 2-3 years. Weaponize cap space, take on bad contracts, accumulate assets.
- redseerpf

You only get rid of Tkachuk if someone is really going to overpay. Hold on to Lindholm so you can isolate the kids.

Like the idea of taking on on some poor contracts with the flat cap. Might be some really good deals to be made.

You only get rid of Tkachuk if someone is really going to overpay. Hold on to Lindholm so you can isolate the kids.

Like the idea of taking on on some poor contracts with the flat cap. Might be some really good deals to be made.
- DuranDuran

Problem with Tkachuk is he's gonna ask for at least 9 per on a max contract. Since he's already not the fastest player out there, I see him declining quite rapidly from his late 20s (a la Lucic). From the time the Flames are competitive again, do you wanna have a 10 million player likely to be an anchor on the ice? I don't. Sell high on him, and save the Flames from a contract likely to be a nightmare down the road.

Problem with Tkachuk is he's gonna ask for at least 9 per on a max contract. Since he's already not the fastest player out there, I see him declining quite rapidly from his late 20s (a la Lucic). From the time the Flames are competitive again, do you wanna have a 10 million player likely to be an anchor on the ice? I don't. Sell high on him, and save the Flames from a contract likely to be a nightmare down the road.
- redseerpf

This is crazy because everyone had him pegged as the future captain. What do you think Ottawa would pay to have both? Stutzil? (Sp)
Or hometown St Louis?
I hate the idea of trading him as the Flames are already baby wipe soft. This team should retool, keep some core guys, add a rookie or 2 next year, and build through the draft.
There’s lots of good things to build around, not the time for a rebuild.

Micheal Stone building his value for the trade deadline. He loves Calgary and would probably come back again.
Edit: didn’t we get a 2nd (Dube) for Russell. Stone should bring in a 4th.

Micheal Stone building his value for the trade deadline. He loves Calgary and would probably come back again.
Edit: didn’t we get a 2nd (Dube) for Russell. Stone should bring in a 4th.
- K-man25

Wouldn't mind seeing Stone shipped out for a 4th. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility, either. Low salary, serviceable 3rd pairing guys probably fetch that.

You only get rid of Tkachuk if someone is really going to overpay. Hold on to Lindholm so you can isolate the kids.

Like the idea of taking on on some poor contracts with the flat cap. Might be some really good deals to be made.
- DuranDuran

I agree trading Tkachuck will be a mistake unless we are getting amazing return.

It's crazy to think about teams like detroit that made the playoffs like 30 years in a row or something ... how they never went into full rebuild and only retooled again and again.... but we are taking about the flames