We’re well on our way.
- Sinisalo4vr

FTFY

3-0 Phils hey we got something to cheer for
- 2Real

Claude great leader and pitcher. Vive la France!!!

cultural appropiation

racist
- corduroy

Everything is racist. Stop Asian hate

He still won’t answer what players were rushed
- login

I will.

Sanheim myers. As just two examples. They are absolutely nhl players but expecting them to be able to be potential top pairing or a 2nd pairing shutdown duo were naive. They are still young and developing and we put far too much pressure on them. They'd be better off both paired with a veteran and being able to slowly move into those types of responsibilities.

Provorov. Expecting him to be a bona-fide top #1 d man already. That he could carry Justin Braun to a top pairing. Instead of allowing him to be a minute crunching #2.

Nolan Patrick. That in his first year back from serious injury that he could not only play every game in a condensed season but also that he'd be an impact player for this teams season. The reality is he should of been taking every few nights off and getting his game back.

These are some my examples. 🤷‍♂️ if you agree or not. But the layer of responsibility given to a young player can mean "rushed" rather than just whether or not they're an nhl player.

Because you’re offended by everything.
- Angus4444

Let me get this straight. You’re offended by his being offended?

cultural appropiation

racist
- corduroy

I do not like your mental haze,
I do not like your leftist ways.
I do not like your son on blow,
I do not like you Mr. Joe.

Dr. ?

I will.

Sanheim myers. As just two examples. They are absolutely nhl players but expecting them to be able to be potential top pairing or a 2nd pairing shutdown duo were naive. They are still young and developing and we put far too much pressure on them. They'd be better off both paired with a veteran and being able to slowly move into those types of responsibilities.

Provorov. Expecting him to be a bona-fide top #1 d man already. That he could carry Justin Braun to a top pairing. Instead of allowing him to be a minute crunching #2.

Nolan Patrick. That in his first year back from serious injury that he could not only play every game in a condensed season but also that he'd be an impact player for this teams season. The reality is he should of been taking every few nights off and getting his game back.

These are some my examples. 🤷‍♂️ if you agree or not. But the layer of responsibility given to a young player can mean "rushed" rather than just whether or not they're an nhl player.
- Tfaehner

Don’t agree. Both Sanheim and Myers did their time in the ahl. Ivan was ready; as was Patrick.

That isn’t rushing them; if you want to disagree with their place in the lineup then that is a valid point.

Was anyone saying they were rushed last season?

Let me get this straight. You’re offended by his being offended?
- Dkos

Nope

I do not like your mental haze,
I do not like your leftist ways.
I do not like your son on blow,
I do not like you Mr. Joe.

Dr. ?
- Angus4444

Fauci?


LOL

Don’t agree. Both Sanheim and Myers did their time in the ahl. Ivan was ready; as was Patrick.

That isn’t rushing them; if you want to disagree with their place in the lineup then that is a valid point.

Was anyone saying they were rushed last season?
- login

The way I took what MJL said and what I agree with is you can be NHL ready and be rushed. Or you could be better than someone currently on the roster and not be best for the young player to make the team because they could benefit more from development. I think in these cases we gave them too big a responsibility.

And yes we were. Myers and sanheim struggled big time in the playoffs. Patrick didn't play. Provy had niskanen and everyone on this board has beaten to death that we needed to replace him. So yes... everyone did feel that way.

I do not like your mental haze,
I do not like your leftist ways.
I do not like your son on blow,
I do not like you Mr. Joe.

Dr. ?
- Angus4444

Dead Milkmen

Dead Milkmen
- DrMidnite

Close, you have one word right.

Close, you have one word right.
- Angus4444

Dead Kennedys

The way I took what MJL said and what I agree with is you can be NHL ready and be rushed. Or you could be better than someone currently on the roster and not be best for the young player to make the team because they could benefit more from development. I think in these cases we gave them too big a responsibility.

And yes we were. Myers and sanheim struggled big time in the playoffs. Patrick didn't play. Provy had niskanen and everyone on this board has beaten to death that we needed to replace him. So yes... everyone did feel that way.
- Tfaehner

So they felt that way in the playoffs but not regular season. Interesting. Patrick not playing has nothing to do with him being “rushed”.

So if they were “rushed” then you think they needed more time in The Ahl?

Too much responsibility doesn’t equate to being rushed imo

If Couturier, Giroux, JVR and Voracek all should be gone. Who will be the veterans on the team? What about Hayes? Who will be the #1 center?
- MJL

Depends on what you trade coots for? Is he traded in package for a young center? Assuming not you sign a vet. There in lays the problem with this team. They need a few major pieces. A true offensive #1 center is one of those. And please don’t try to say coots is a #1 just because they play him there now. He’s a great #2 center. Very average #1 while obviously great defensively he’s not a great offensive player which is fine. How to attain that piece for the future? Obviously a trade draft or free agent. Hence talk of going after eichel. To each his own but thinking coots is the #1 center for future cup winner good luck. If that were the case the team as currently constructed would be a lot closer to true cup contender. Which they are clearly not

Not with you on that. Trading Coots is not the answer. A year ago this team was buzzing around the ice. Young and talented. They still are. Nisky retiring was a big hit on this team. A couple players went cold. Nobody playing over the hill. They really are a vet or two away from making the jump again.

Don’t rush the kids in the pipeline either. Fine to let them grow but when they prove to be able to give them some ice time.

The Expansion Draft is something that needs to be considered with any moves right now. Fletch should only jump on something if it makes sense for the future over the next half dozen years.
- peesinwind

These are nhl players. At times they may seem to be buzzing. Might even play really good for stretches. But there’s clear cut which teams are far superior. The difference is those teams have true elite talent.

So they felt that way in the playoffs but not regular season. Interesting. Patrick not playing has nothing to do with him being “rushed”.

So if they were “rushed” then you think they needed more time in The Ahl?

Too much responsibility doesn’t equate to being rushed imo
- login

Why does rushed have to mean it the way you want it to be interpreted ? Thats arguing semantics. To me, rushed also means being expected to fulfill a role at the NHL that they are not ready for. Which is also "rushing" them. If we made coots a 1st line center as a 19 year old that would of been rushing him. However he got time to grow his team and took on more challenges until he became a selke winning 1c. Instead of arguing what you think rushed means tell me if you think we gave them too much responsibility.

Let me get this straight. You’re offended by his being offended?
- Dkos

sjws offend me so we should cancel them

sjws offend me so we should cancel them
- 2Real

The more the merrier.

This is why I appreciate you, SMS. You actually start with the premise of the ultimate destination, and then think to work backwards from there to now to find the best path.

Most people here start with now, and take steps in some general direction towards the goal, and just hope to get to end point.

The Kings teams you mentioned did just that. But they had Kopitar (puck #11 or was it 10) and Doughty (#2) and Quick as bona fide stars in the making. The difference between them then and us now is a huge question mark about the star quality of our young players.

I honestly dont see much hope for Flyers in the next decade to win a cup. Shoddy, mediocre thinking breeds "stay competitive" results. And not much more.
- PT21

See you get it... so hexy was on track. Build the prospects. The more the better. He was right it wasn’t go time and no need to bring hart up. Not saying he couldn’t play but no need at time. Anyways, this team has a lot of the pieces. While young they are there. And more coming. I absolutely believe hart is a cup goalie. Obviously not right this second but that major piece is in place. We need a true offensive #1 center and a true #1 dman( probably could do if we had another provy type talent to pair with him. Does York fit that? We don’t know yet. Question is how to acquire these 2 essential pieces? There’s the rub and debate... draft? How to get high enough in draft ? Who and how many assets are moved for one or both of those pieces? Free agency? How often these type players come about? How’s it affect cap? Who’s moved to accommodate the cost? Status quo I think has never been more evident won’t work... for example if eichel comes available would I move say provy/bee/frost/sanheim for him? Absolutely not. I wouldn’t move too many young pieces to get 1 essentials piece. Just opens up to now you need to build prospects up again and you’re back to almost beginning. I absolutely would look to move coots in package now to obtain 1 of the essentials. His value will not be higher. Coots could be piece for a team like Richards was for kings. For example say avs offered byrum for coots. I do that deal. Avs get piece that has good chance to win them cup. We get the provy pair dman and rest of d slots nicely for future. Or coots package with pick(s) prospect(s) for eichel. Bumbalo helps improve whole team we get the elite center. I don’t see us getting the 2 essential pieces in draft. That’s 1 reason I harp on passing on miro or makar for not top center Patrick. They were projected top elite high ceiling. Patrick never was. Look at elite prospects .com on Patrick report. poop Patterson rated higher than Patrick for ceiling. When given gift of moving from 13 to 2 you HAVE to take a swing for fences. We didn’t. We played it safe. Anyways. The debate I’m sure in Philly land will be interesting because no doubt they will do something dumb. They listen to a bean counter. Watch them go and trade young guy for poop dman aging to try to make playoffs or something like that.

Perpetuates a stereotype.
- Sinisalo4vr

Oh great another humorless snowflake that sees offense in everything.
Your post perpetuated a stereotype you should be cancelled.

Depends on what you trade coots for? Is he traded in package for a young center? Assuming not you sign a vet. There in lays the problem with this team. They need a few major pieces. A true offensive #1 center is one of those. And please don’t try to say coots is a #1 just because they play him there now. He’s a great #2 center. Very average #1 while obviously great defensively he’s not a great offensive player which is fine. How to attain that piece for the future? Obviously a trade draft or free agent. Hence talk of going after eichel. To each his own but thinking coots is the #1 center for future cup winner good luck. If that were the case the team as currently constructed would be a lot closer to true cup contender. Which they are clearly not
- SMS4016

I disagree with you. Couturier is absolutely a #1 NHL center and a very good one at that. I can see how well Eichel has elevated the Sabres as that true #1. If Eichel is a true #1 then why haven't the Sabres gotten closer to actually being a playoff team?

You never realize how you refute your own comments with your own comments. It's rather entertaining.

Oh great another humorless snowflake that sees offense in everything.
Your post perpetuated a stereotype you should be cancelled.
- bird_dog_pa

Explain in a coherent fashion what you are trying to say.

I disagree with you. Couturier is absolutely a #1 NHL center and a very good one at that. I can see how well Eichel has elevated the Sabres as that true #1. If Eichel is a true #1 then why haven't the Sabres gotten closer to actually being a playoff team?

You never realize how you refute your own comments with your own comments. It's rather entertaining.
- MJL

Per usual. Just because coots plays #1 center on philly doesn’t mean he should. It’s not about elevating your team for eichel. Are you blind? That’s a serious question. God himself COULDNT elevate the sabres you know that right. You keep trying to down eichel skill and elevate coots skill. Why? To feel better about philly team? To make yourself believe philly can win a cup? Makes zero sense. Coots in league 10 years and has had 2 semi good years offensively? If he was a #1 why it take 8 years to move into top center roll? Who has eichel had? Last year alone eichel offense provided coots couldnt wouldnt and never will be able to have even that type season. And eichel did it on sabres. Laughable actually that you think coots is even in conversation with eichel. Eichel on any competent team is top 5 talent. I refute nothing. You lie to yourself and try to pass your orange koolaid homerism as others lacking either insight or objective analysis. Coots absolutely a #1. My ass. On a serious note go look at the rosters in league. Look at all the #1 centers. Where you think coots rates ? And don’t give me oh he’s so good defensively that it makes up for offensive crap. That’s what 2nd and 3rd line centers are for. Coots is bottom 10 in league as far as #1 centers if you even want to slot him there.

Per usual. Just because coots plays #1 center on philly doesn’t mean he should. It’s not about elevating your team for eichel. Are you blind? That’s a serious question. God himself COULDNT elevate the sabres you know that right. You keep trying to down eichel skill and elevate coots skill. Why? To feel better about philly team? To make yourself believe philly can win a cup? Makes zero sense. Coots in league 10 years and has had 2 semi good years offensively? If he was a #1 why it take 8 years to move into top center roll? Who has eichel had? Last year alone eichel offense provided coots couldnt wouldnt and never will be able to have even that type season. And eichel did it on sabres. Laughable actually that you think coots is even in conversation with eichel. Eichel on any competent team is top 5 talent. I refute nothing. You lie to yourself and try to pass your orange koolaid homerism as others lacking either insight or objective analysis. Coots absolutely a #1. My ass. On a serious note go look at the rosters in league. Look at all the #1 centers. Where you think coots rates ? And don’t give me oh he’s so good defensively that it makes up for offensive crap. That’s what 2nd and 3rd line centers are for. Coots is bottom 10 in league as far as #1 centers if you even want to slot him there.
- SMS4016

Too make it clearer for you coots as a #1 center = bottom 10
Coots as a #2 center = top 3
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Coots is slotted wrong in Philly but go ahead believe he’s a number 1. Status quo