Exactly. He didn't put it out in the greatest way and certainly not what the fans want to hear now but he's not incorrect.
- MJL

These 'fans' are always so desperate for scapegoats, lol. They'll latch on to anything.

Tanner was decent, good wheels and got to good spots.

In what regard are we talking?

In terms of pure leadership as captain, Poulin was surpassed in franchise history only by Clarke.

In terms of defensive play, Poulin over Giroux.

In terms of offensive ability, Giroux in a landslide (and Poulie had some offensive ability, especially early in his career).

Barber is the leading goal-scorer in franchise history; a Hall of Famer. A stoic, lead-by-example, no excuses type as a player.

Ron Sutter was a fine defensive player, OK offensive player and part of the leadership group in the latter 80s to early 1990s. Briefly the captain before he was traded to St. Louis for Brind'Amour.

If the question is which player I'd rather have as part of a team nucleus, it's Giroux. If it's do you need a couple of Ron Sutter types in the mix to be a contending team, the answer is yes. Who has been the latter-day Ron Sutter in Giroux's era? Closest I can think of is Scott Laughton.
- bmeltzer

no who would you rather have as your captain and leader

Ask the majority of the mid-to-late 90s Flyers how they felt about Lindros in the leadership department. Eric was an individually great player. He was also a polarizing figure in the room. I was a big Lindros fan, but it's true. Some of his ex-teammates like him. Some detest him to this day. Some can see both sides of the coin.

As for Richards, he had already declined to a 4th liner and then was out of the NHL by age 31.

Desjardins and Giroux were very similar type of captains.

As for Clarke, you're talking about one of the all-time great captains among ALL franchises in the league.
- bmeltzer

When Richards was here he was a model player for the rest of the team

Flyers should create an OnlyFans where they play great defensively and do great in shootouts

When Richards was here he was a model player for the rest of the team
- 2Real

For a few years, absolutely. Then he started showing up on the required reporting day rather than early, and in so-so physical condition. Not exactly model leadership by that point.

Off-ice stuff aside with Richards, he was NEVER the Flyers' hardest-working player at practice. Giroux is. Game nights, Richards gave his absolute 100 percent. That much was beyond reproach. He worked and competed his tail off in games.

Richards was captain when things got a little cliquish. Was that directly his fault? I wouldn't say so, but there was a bit of a divide. There was never open animosity between Pronger and Richards -- there was mutual respect as players and that's per multiple Alumni as well as Pronger's own recounting to Jay Greenberg -- but they had differing views of what a locker room on the same page should consist of.

There is one stat I think I would like to see in the NHL. How quickly after entering the OZ does a team get a high danger or med danger shot off on average?

Discounting the occasional outnumbered rush, the Flyers bread and butter offense seems to me to first establish possession near end-boards, then rotate back to point, and then shoot and ensuing play is well a scramble.

But a lot of the modern game seem to rely on quick short passes and going up the middle and getting a shot sooner than the above mode. It needs skating speed and skill and shiftiness in open ice. We saw a little of that with the Hayes line last year. But not too much.

This stat might correlate with that attribute and pick up what I am getting at.

Ask the majority of the mid-to-late 90s Flyers how they felt about Lindros in the leadership department. Eric was an individually great player. He was also a polarizing figure in the room. I was a big Lindros fan, but it's true. Some of his ex-teammates like him. Some detest him to this day. Some can see both sides of the coin.

As for Richards, he had already declined to a 4th liner and then was out of the NHL by age 31.

Desjardins and Giroux were very similar type of captains.

As for Clarke, you're talking about one of the all-time great captains among ALL franchises in the league.
- bmeltzer

The other Eric, I presume?

does efflin keep the phils perfect today and give us a team to be excited about?
- 2Real

How about Knapp accidentally doing something right at the plate and go yard. I'm sure if anyone too a photo of it ,it would come out blurry like Big Foot.

Funny story: One time Keenan was going around the room, tearing into players one after the other. This was about 40 games into the season.

Keenan said, "Ilkka, how the f- do YOU have 25 goals? You hardly f-in' show up three quarters of the time."

Sinisalo, with his typical dry sense of humor, shrugged.

"Power play," he said.

Even Keenan couldn't stifle a grin.
- bmeltzer

That's Awesome! Thanks Bill!

I think personally that this season is lost. We can see on the Flyers what happens when you rush young players and give them too much too soon. Foerster's play in the AHL is extremely encouraging for a 19 year old. I would not bring him up. When his junior league starts back up, I would let him go back down and finish that out. Then bring him into camp next season and see what happens.
- MJL

Ya, you're right. I don't see the Bruins collapsing, even if they don't make any trades. Yesterday on the Bruins pregame they went around the horn and asked who the Bruins should fear the most in the battle for a playoff spot and everyone said the Rangers. They mentioned the Flyers were a mess, that their defensive gaps were laughable and reminded them of last season before the Flyers went on that run. I hate everyone one of them and hated to listen to it, but they were right, and that hurt more.

no he's not he's easily been one of our worst captains

Mike Richards or Giroux hmmm
Lindros or Giroux hmm
Primeau or Giroux hmm
Jason Smith or Giroux hmm
Pronger or Giroux hmm
Desjardins or Giroux hmm
Bobby Clarke or Giroux hmm

could keep going
- 2Real

2High

The other Eric, I presume?
- PT21

No. Rico is among the group who can see both sides. He personally has nothing against Lindros.

There is one stat I think I would like to see in the NHL. How quickly after entering the OZ does a team get a high danger or med danger shot off on average?

Discounting the occasional outnumbered rush, the Flyers bread and butter offense seems to me to first establish possession near end-boards, then rotate back to point, and then shoot and ensuing play is well a scramble.

But a lot of the modern game seem to rely on quick short passes and going up the middle and getting a shot sooner than the above mode. It needs skating speed and skill and shiftiness in open ice. We saw a little of that with the Hayes line last year. But not too much.

This stat might correlate with that attribute and pick up what I am getting at.
- PT21

I can get on board a push for the Flyers to generate more shots from the middle of the slot (rather than the left point or the sides of the low slot.) Honestly though, how many really think this is an ability issue as opposed to a need for a change in mentality and confidence? I think we have all seen 6 or more Flyers forwards be able to do this many times before this season. Giroux’s game tying goal last night, good example.

no he's not he's easily been one of our worst captains

Mike Richards or Giroux hmmm
Lindros or Giroux hmm
Primeau or Giroux hmm
Jason Smith or Giroux hmm
Pronger or Giroux hmm
Desjardins or Giroux hmm
Bobby Clarke or Giroux hmm

could keep going
- 2Real

So what you’re saying is you’re not much of an Anna Kendrick fan.

2Unreal.

No. Rico is among the group who can see both sides. He personally has nothing against Lindros.
- bmeltzer

spill the beans who hates 88?

spill the beans who hates 88?
- login

rangers fans

There is one stat I think I would like to see in the NHL. How quickly after entering the OZ does a team get a high danger or med danger shot off on average?

Discounting the occasional outnumbered rush, the Flyers bread and butter offense seems to me to first establish possession near end-boards, then rotate back to point, and then shoot and ensuing play is well a scramble.

But a lot of the modern game seem to rely on quick short passes and going up the middle and getting a shot sooner than the above mode. It needs skating speed and skill and shiftiness in open ice. We saw a little of that with the Hayes line last year. But not too much.

This stat might correlate with that attribute and pick up what I am getting at.
- PT21

Offense and better quality offense is created by strong defensive play, particularly in the neutral zone. The team that controls the neutral zone, controls play. Modern day defensive systems and teams that do it well, keep the puck to the outside. We saw it last night. The Flyers controlled play and generated shot attempts 3-1. Heavily outshot the Isles. Yet how many quality chances did they get? Not many. If you want to create better offensive chances, you need to create them with better defense and causing turnovers. That's what creates off man rushes and better quality chances. When you play the Isles, you're going to have to be patient and play the dump and chase game. They're just too good defensively and too good with the puck.

How about Knapp accidentally doing something right at the plate and go yard. I'm sure if anyone too a photo of it ,it would come out blurry like Big Foot.
- Pelle31Forever

don't want to get too excited about this game

another well hit ball by knapp just at someone

I would be extremely surprised to see York replace Provorov on the PP. To my knowledge, he is not that kind of player.
I don't think Provorov is great on the PP but he is still a better choice than Sanheim or Myers.
- MJL

I wouldn't extrapolate too much from college hockey. I've watched York at Yost, but Wells Fargo is another story.

I find it hilarious that the same people who rip Giroux as a leader are the same ones who worship Mike Richards, considering the fact that Giroux has stated numerous times that he has modeled his leadership style from Richards.

Richards has to be one of the most overrated Flyers. Was he ever good? Absolutely. But there seems to be a lot of revisionist history surrounding Richards and that whole core of players.

DD!

I find it hilarious that the same people who rip Giroux as a leader are the same ones who worship Mike Richards, considering the fact that Giroux has stated numerous times that he has modeled his leadership style from Richards.

Richards has to be one of the most overrated Flyers. Was he ever good? Absolutely. But there seems to be a lot of revisionist history surrounding Richards and that whole core of players.
- KGBflyers10

i modeled my hockey play after wayne gretzky i must be as good as him

don't want to get too excited about this game
- 2Real

1 run is not going to cut it