Kkt
- wcorvette

took my baby away

G needs the key to the city. Poor guy was an amazing player, still really good and he has gotten nothing from Philly. G is loyal and doesn’t complain, but he has to hear some garbage from fans.

Lol

Funny story: One time Keenan was going around the room, tearing into players one after the other. This was about 40 games into the season.

Keenan said, "Ilkka, how the f- do YOU have 25 goals? You hardly f-in' show up three quarters of the time."

Sinisalo, with his typical dry sense of humor, shrugged.

"Power play," he said.

Even Keenan couldn't stifle a grin.
- bmeltzer

Favorite player of the that era, to be bad with the injuries.

Technically it is true, but it is pretty tone deaf to say it the way he said it.
- MBFlyerfan

Like it was the second game of the season. Agree. And hope that’s not the attitude of the locker.

Is it possible to trade a more talented player for a lesser talented player and yet have a better team?
- login

Worked for the sixers.

See al hotford for danny green
Seth curry for Jason Richardson

I read it as, no team can control play for a full 60 minutes of a game, but we have to try due to our place in the standings.
- MBFlyerfan

well jake is freaking wrong, bc a few teams dominated us for 60 minutes during games last month. pick any one of the blowouts and you have proof.

Bill...Foerster was available relatively late in the first for the Flyers. He was thought to have an incredibly fast shot release but not a great skater, and I read he wasn't great without the puck. His numbers even with time lost to injury are very good. Has he improved on those criticized areas?

Funny story: One time Keenan was going around the room, tearing into players one after the other. This was about 40 games into the season.

Keenan said, "Ilkka, how the f- do YOU have 25 goals? You hardly f-in' show up three quarters of the time."

Sinisalo, with his typical dry sense of humor, shrugged.

"Power play," he said

Even Keenan couldn't stifle a grin.
- bmeltzer

Thanks for that one Bill.

Like it was the second game of the season. Agree. And hope that’s not the attitude of the locker.
- Peter Richards

What was the question he was asked or did he just blurt that out for no reason. Context is important. I don't have an issue with what he said there. I have an issue with the inconsistency of his play.

well jake is freaking wrong, bc a few teams dominated us for 60 minutes during games last month. pick any one of the blowouts and you have proof.
- biggbear77

You have a point there!

Giroux, while not always pitch perfect, has been a tremendous captain and leader for this franchise for probably longer than it deserves.

I'm gonna miss him when he's gone.

G needs the key to the city. Poor guy was an amazing player, still really good and he has gotten nothing from Philly. G is loyal and doesn’t complain, but he has to hear some garbage from fans.

Lol
- wcorvette

nah he just lollygags and touches cops butts

Bill...Foerster was available relatively late in the first for the Flyers. He was thought to have an incredibly fast shot release but not a great skater, and I read he wasn't great without the puck. His numbers even with time lost to injury are very good. Has he improved on those criticized areas?
- DANCER

Skating still isn't his strongest suit. He still room to improve off-puck, and he'll need to. But he has great hands, ice vision and anticipation. The skating as he adds additional strength should be OK even if he'll never be a pretty skater or a speed demon. The rest can be learned.

does efflin keep the phils perfect today and give us a team to be excited about?

Giroux, while not always pitch perfect, has been a tremendous captain and leader for this franchise for probably longer than it deserves.

I'm gonna miss him when he's gone.
- countreeman28

no he's not he's easily been one of our worst captains

Mike Richards or Giroux hmmm
Lindros or Giroux hmm
Primeau or Giroux hmm
Jason Smith or Giroux hmm
Pronger or Giroux hmm
Desjardins or Giroux hmm
Bobby Clarke or Giroux hmm

could keep going

no he's not he's easily been one of our worst captains

Mike Richards or Giroux hmmm
Lindros or Giroux hmm
Primeau or Giroux hmm
Jason Smith or Giroux hmm
Pronger or Giroux hmm
Desjardins or Giroux hmm
Bobby Clarke or Giroux hmm

could keep going
- 2Real

Please do. So far Ill give you Lindros, Clarke, and Poulin.

Giroux, while not always pitch perfect, has been a tremendous captain and leader for this franchise for probably longer than it deserves. I guess the question is if Clarke and G trades times playing as Flyers captain who would have ended up as the best Flyer ever. Clarkie had an amazing supporting cast...and yes I know there's lots of differences between eras

I'm gonna miss him when he's gone.
- countreeman28

Giroux, while not always pitch perfect, has been a tremendous captain and leader for this franchise for probably longer than it deserves. I guess the question is if Clarke and G trades times playing as Flyers captain who would have ended up as the best Flyer ever. Clarkie had an amazing supporting cast...and yes I know there's lots of differences between eras

I'm gonna miss him when he's gone.
- countreeman28

Please do. So far Ill give you Lindros, Clarke, and Poulin.
- MBFlyerfan

Poulin or Giroux hmm
Barber or Giroux hmm
Sutter or Giroux hmm

Skating still isn't his strongest suit. He still room to improve off-puck, and he'll need to. But he has great hands, ice vision and anticipation. The skating as he adds additional strength should be OK even if he'll never be a pretty skater or a speed demon. The rest can be learned.
- bmeltzer

Thanks...hoping they don't rush and give needed time to develop those skills

Everybody has their moments of superior play and then leaving brown stains on the ice. The better the player the more it trends toward the former.
THis is a game for statistics becuase it's ALL chance. From goalies waving their legs while on their belly and making a save to PDOs in the crazy positive realm, chance, it's all chance.
Now toss in PROFESSIONAL opposition. THey aren't slouches no matter how bad the team. When the Copper Sabers look like steel, it's an inevitable outcome of CHANCE.
Improving a team means we have a better set of chances for a good outcome.
While we may complain about the current composition of the veteran core, we can trace what they've done and by projecting their outputs make multiple arguments. Conceding that they have NOT been productive has to be based on their efforts.
I have not seen a drop off of any significance in the play of Coots or G.
As Vorachek has stated you can't dominate a team for the entire game. If you do it it's an outlier. Don't plan on it but it's why we watch and hope.
WHen we look in and the opposite occurs (see ugly losses), there's a glimmer of unrealized potential that still intrigues.
Essentially you are a gambler. Good gamblers never allow emotion to taint their picks. Bad ones....they just go broke by loving wrong.
If I were not invested in this team's performance, I would go ahead and become a Lightning fan. But I'm not looking to change because the entertainment for me is a game that features my team. MY team.
WHile I may be disappointed, I actually feel that. WHen I am elated (not very often this year) it's because MY boys are doing the biting of butts.
THis is why, when Vorachek is killing anouther rush, I can deal with it. It's not like I can hold back his dinner. Yet to criticize in a useful maner, you've got to note the flaws and the strengths.
I appreciate the fans here and at BSH being attentive to a depth I rarely can muster.
We are the Koi fish in the water feature, wonderful but confined. While we think we have mastery of our environment, in fact, we are dependent on 'authorities' to feed us. No matter if you are a cynic or a blatant optimist, you get the chance to review the same material as everyone else and have as little influence. We just filter the information differently and spew dissimilar POVs.
WHen I was Popmpous Riot, I took it all seriously. Now I'm just pompous and not looking for a tussle but I am aware of how others may see things (no matter how erronously) and that I do not have to engage every differing post.
THe statistics will rule and I am not the dice roller. While I may question portions of their play, the coaches decisions and the grand plans of the executives Just keep the games close. Make it entertaining.
That's all I want....well that and a parade.

Poulin or Giroux hmm
Barber or Giroux hmm
Sutter or Giroux hmm
- 2Real

In what regard are we talking?

In terms of pure leadership as captain, Poulin was surpassed in franchise history only by Clarke.

In terms of defensive play, Poulin over Giroux.

In terms of offensive ability, Giroux in a landslide (and Poulie had some offensive ability, especially early in his career).

Barber is the leading goal-scorer in franchise history; a Hall of Famer. A stoic, lead-by-example, no excuses type as a player.

Ron Sutter was a fine defensive player, OK offensive player and part of the leadership group in the latter 80s to early 1990s. Briefly the captain before he was traded to St. Louis for Brind'Amour.

If the question is which player I'd rather have as part of a team nucleus, it's Giroux. If it's do you need a couple of Ron Sutter types in the mix to be a contending team, the answer is yes. Who has been the latter-day Ron Sutter in Giroux's era? Closest I can think of is Scott Laughton.

In what regard are we talking?

In terms of pure leadership as captain, Poulin was surpassed in franchise history only by Clarke.

In terms of defensive play, Poulin over Giroux.

In terms of offensive ability, Giroux in a landslide (and Poulie had some offensive ability, especially early in his career).

Barber is the leading goal-scorer in franchise history; a Hall of Famer. A stoic, lead-by-example, no excuses type as a player.

Ron Sutter was a fine defensive player, OK offensive player and part of the leadership group in the latter 80s to early 1990s. Briefly the captain before he was traded to St. Louis for Brind'Amour.

If the question is which player I'd rather have as part of a team nucleus, it's Giroux. If it's do you need a couple of Ron Sutter types in the mix to be a contending team, the answer is yes. Who has been the latter-day Ron Sutter in Giroux's era? Closest I can think of is Scott Laughton.
- bmeltzer

At least we signed Hayes to be our Chris Gratton

no he's not he's easily been one of our worst captains

Mike Richards or Giroux hmmm
Lindros or Giroux hmm
Primeau or Giroux hmm
Jason Smith or Giroux hmm
Pronger or Giroux hmm
Desjardins or Giroux hmm
Bobby Clarke or Giroux hmm

could keep going
- 2Real

Ask the majority of the mid-to-late 90s Flyers how they felt about Lindros in the leadership department. Eric was an individually great player. He was also a polarizing figure in the room. I was a big Lindros fan, but it's true. Some of his ex-teammates like him. Some detest him to this day. Some can see both sides of the coin.

As for Richards, he had already declined to a 4th liner and then was out of the NHL by age 31.

Desjardins and Giroux were very similar type of captains.

As for Clarke, you're talking about one of the all-time great captains among ALL franchises in the league.

At least we signed Hayes to be our Chris Gratton
- Just5

Hayes has been better than Gratton was. But at least Gratton was here when there were no salary cap restraints; plus most of his monster contract was front-loaded in signing bonus and year one base salary (done so that Tampa Bay could not match the offer sheet).